@captain-fejk I do also agree that there could be more real pirate inspired cosmetics. Black Beard, Charles Vane, Jack Rackam, Anne Bonny, Long John Silver, Davey Jones, Captain Flint, Queen Annes Revenge, Flying Dutchman, Jolly Roger, all offer great inspiration to what is possible.
Ferryman DLC set event.
@xultanis-dragon said in Ferryman DLC set event.:
Its not a betrayal of any kind. No one did anything extra for the content did they? There was no contest of any kind. They didn't have to pay anything extra for it. The player did absolutely NOTHING to gain these cosmetics.
Hmmm. Hi, um... are you new here? Do you understand the concept of exclusivity - hint: it’s in the name. Sure I didn’t fire myself out of a cannon in real life, but I bought a limited time Sea of Thieves controller that had a Ferryman theme that came with matching Ferryman clothes and weapons. To just just release them would be a mild kick in the face - betrayal is a bit strong. I DID NOT GET THEM FOR FREE. What are you on about? The controller and clothes came in the same box and were advertised as such. What do you mean we did nothing? Launch clothes were for launch players (crazy concept, I know!), and the Ferryman was tied to the purchase of the Ferryman controller (again, completely inexplicable! lol).
They gained the skins FOR FREE. I'm not trying to be lawyerly. I'm just stating a fact and an industry standard. You might think its some kind of "moral" high ground but its really not.
Oh thanks for advising me on the industry standard. I’m sure we’d all love Rare if they went by industry standards! Another EA is just what I’m after. I think the SoT team understand the concept of exclusivity, and aren’t so desperate for a cash grab that they’d just plop them into the game for a fiver.
Rare would get a ton of extra money by releasing the cosmetic into the emporium because thats what every other industry does and they get a ton of money. Its basic business and economics 101. Supply and demand.
Sure, let’s have a little look at your ‘101’ ‘supply and demand’ economics. That principle holds up to scrutiny best when applied to an overarching idea best. I.E the pirate emporium itself. The Ferryman and Launch sets as they are ( and I do not think a recolour release is a bad idea) were niche in the extreme. Supply and demand conceptually suggests some sort of notable deficit (in this case it would be emporium cosmetics as a whole), it does not constitute you being a little butt hurt that you did not play SoT from the start and that you did not grab a £50 controller/igc set while it was up for grabs - and it was marketed as so.
Again I would be on the fence about this if the player had actually paid anything extra for the cosmetic for it to be exclusive. They did not.
This sort of reasoning is painful to watch. Just because the special controller and igc code cost the same as a normal controller, does not mean that the igcs were just some throw away incentive. By that same logic, why did the special controller cost the same as a normal controller - it will have cost more to produce. In fact, relative to that, the production cost of said virtual cosmetics will have been almost nothing. So really, it begs a larger question, with your economic know-how do you know of the idea that better products at a cheaper price drive sales up? If the special edition controller had not had the igc stuff would it have sold so quickly? I’m not convinced - certainly not within the PC community.
Pre-order does not exceed the initial price of the game. So the player got the cosmetic for FREE.
And they were produced for free, your point is? What makes you deserving of them? Im not sure. What makes them deserving of them? They supported the game at launch. It was a gift for playing at launch. In my experience, I am not asked to pay for what I am given at Christmas, but what do I know? Maybe you are.
Now if they released the cosmetic into the emporium that would mean any player who didn't pre-order would have to PAY for the cosmetic.
Yes, but they are pre-order cosmetics intrinsically - they are worn by preorder players. It was not an off hand oh here you go have these. It was a thought out gift to those that pre ordered.
That is the concept behind pre-orders and has been a company standard since the beginning.
Quick point, who are these companies to whom you refer? For it to be standard, they’d have to be in the majority so I’m wondering who they are. Pre orders have always existed, but what would be the point of a preorder if there wasn’t a bonus. A pre order is a show of trust and faith - the cosmetics were the pay out - one you do not (by this simple logic) have any entitlement to.
You want to bring in morality into something that has not morality behind it. They didn't make any promises and you are making huge assumptions over the word "exclusive".
I would give you the definition but I imagine you can work it out. It is a question of morality (albeit a small one), these players (myself NOT included) were willing to hedge their bets on Rare, the cosmetics were a show of gratitude. Selling them off now would be a bit weird and unlike Rare. It’s as simple as this: you did not Pre-Order, you do not get the purely cosmetic perks of Pre-Ordering (because you did not).
Will Rare make a ton of money putting it in the emporium? Yes
What from you? A ton seems like a mild exaggeration deployed because you basically want something you didn’t earn. And I say ‘earn’ because you failed to meet the criteria for them. So you did not ‘earn’ them.
Does it hurt the player base at all? No
Depends who you talk to, if I was a preorder player I’d feel mildly backstabbed.
Why? Because you didn't pay anything extra for it, it was free. We are the ones who will have to pay extra.
For a recolour sure, but it’s the actual availability not the money that would bother those that have it.
Pre-order = Price of game and free cosmetic
Not pre-order = Price of game + price of cosmetic
This logic is... flawed, to say the least. I’m not explaining it again.
I see no problem. You still gain benefit for getting the cosmetic for free.
You don’t see the problem perchance because you don’t have them, and you want them, and you have a spare fiver.
Look, I get that you want them, and a recolour would be good of Rare, by do not try and justify what you want with justifications that simply make no sense or do not apply here. I completely respect you. They are great cosmetics. I get why you’d want them - they’re a large part of why I got the controller. I don’t mean any disrespect your way in this reply. I really hope that they do a recolour so that invested fans such as yourself can get them. I genuinely hope I don’t come across as rude in this - I just express myself rather... vivaciously. Good luck my dude. Sea you on the seas.
You don’t see the problem perchance because you don’t have them, and you want them, and you have a spare fiver.
You must be new here because you don't know that I'm been on the forums for quite some time and my stance on exclusive or time limited content has always been the same. I have all the event cosmetics, even the obsidian stuff. Guess what. I want other players the chance to have those cosmetics. I have always had the same stance since day one and always will. I never liked the practice of it, never will.
Let me guess, you don't want other players to have it because having an ingame cosmetic makes you feel special am I right?? Guess what, no one cares if you are special or not.
This logic is... flawed, to say the least. I’m not explaining it again.
Really?? You didn't really explain anything. You used EA as an example when citing EA as a source isn't relevant to the discussion. What we are talking about is cosmetics released after the pre-order purchase which every game has done. Pre-order purchase allows you early access to certain products that the publisher will release later via season pass or DLC. So again, talk to me again about how you don't know what you are talking about.
I like how you focused on the controller when I've said many times before that the controller can stay limited for all I care. However what my issue is, is that people have bought the controllers in bulk and are selling them for mark ups of 10x or more. People buying out the controllers that are limited edition (not exclusive, limited edition. Should really learn the difference between the 2 terms because you guys are using exclusive with limited edition) are price gouging. They can price gouge because of the cosmetic.
Why is the controller without the code only going for under $120 but the controller with the code is easily going for $500 or more?
Yes, but they are pre-order cosmetics intrinsically - they are worn by preorder players. It was not an off hand oh here you go have these. It was a thought out gift to those that pre ordered.
?? Are you daft?? There are players selling the game code for the Sea dog pre-order set and for all of the other stuff.
Again the issue is the buying and the reselling and a lot of the issue players have is that they cave and purchase something off of ebay for $500 and then get mad when the publisher re-sells the cosmetic making their purchase completely invalid. Its not my fault or anyone elses or even the publishers fault that you bought something off of ebay at a huge markup, thats on you.
I'm sorry man, but you seem like the person who puts his value as a human being based on the fact that he has some kind of special in game cosmetic. If thats how you quantify your self worth, then I can say is that you need help and should talk to somebody.
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What from you? A ton seems like a mild exaggeration deployed because you basically want something you didn’t earn. And I say ‘earn’ because you failed to meet the criteria for them. So you did not ‘earn’ them.
No one earned any of the cosmetics. Earning would imply that they did something extra or put in effort. There was no effort to be made. They didn't do anything extra then anyone else. Again the cosmetic was free with pre-order. All they did was purchase the game. Every single player that is playing the game right now purchased the game.
Also its not an exaggeration that Rare would make money. If it was an exaggeration then no game developer would ever re-release their pre-order products, but they do, because its industry standard. So maybe go out and learn something about the industry if you plan to talk about it, I don't have the time nor the patience to spend to take someone to school and teach them if they aren't willing to listen.
@xultanis-dragon Some people does not understand there is a large part of this community that didn't hear about Sea of Thieves before it was released and had no opportunity to preorder it. If I knew, I would, but I was PS4 owner and mostly playing competitive games on PC at that time. Some people still didn't buy it and wait for Steam release and when they buy it, it's going to be disappointing for them to have no chance at getting some stuff in game, just because they didn't play 2 years ago. I fully support rereleasing skins at certain events in game to require some engagement to get them or putting them in Emporium.
@GeneralBuckfoi We are talking about cosmetics in a video game. Stop acting like it means something. Years ago you didn't have such thing as "limited cosmetics" or skins you could buy for real money in video games. Some people have no chance at attending PAX/Twitch Con or other events that are across the world. Wear what looks cool to you and stop trying to block some content for others just because you have a need to feel entitled.
@captain-fejk said in Ferryman DLC set event.:
@GeneralBuckfoi We are talking about cosmetics in a video game. Stop acting like it means something. Years ago you didn't have such thing as "limited cosmetics" or skins you could buy for real money in video games. Some people have no chance at attending PAX/Twitch Con or other events that are across the world. Wear what looks cool to you and stop trying to block some content for others just because you have a need to feel entitled.
I do not have the preorder set, but I believe that people who placed their faith in the game deserved a special reward. And something exclusive that properly shows that they were there from the start.
The Ferryman set was tied to the controller, so sorry if the idea that me paying £50 to get access to it could be given for a fiver now. It’s not entitlement - it’s pure logic.
I’m sorry but for a game in which all rewards are cosmetics, time limiteds and exclusives occasionally should be par for the course. People being so aggrieved that they don’t have the Black Dog bundle cos they started at the 1st year anniversary is so dumb. There are so many cosmetics but you just chose to be annoyed that you can’t get these specific ones.
And I can’t attend PAX or TwitchCon. And I don’t mind people getting sets there that I can’t. I know if I’d got an exclusive set from TwitchCon etc I would love it for the memories it would bring. It’s exclusivity makes it extra special in that way.
I’m not trying to block content. You already said I’m overreacting. Which would suggest the cosmetics don’t matter that much. To call it content is mildly amusing. It’s not a paid exclusive game expansion. You just somehow defeated your own argument. Huh. Cool.
@xultanis-dragon I pre ordered I would care. What is it with the I want people? Time limited, exclusive and pre ordered should mean just that. Cosmetics mean something in this game. And for those who got whatever cosmetics at whatever time, those cosmetics should not be re released. Yeah re colours are ok ish. Why can't people respect the fact that they missed out for whatever reason and let people who were there enjoy their achievement.
lol what achievements. You guys keep talking as if you were in massive competition of some kind. You don't have any achievements. You purchased a game. I purchased some of the items for the obsidian items that were exclusive with an event that Rare had and then they re-released those same cosmetics onto their stream.
I didn't give a single flying quack quack. Good for Rare, good for any player who got the cosmetic. Why should I care what another player has or is using?
The words are very important. Players are using the word exclusive as if it was limited edition and pre-order as if it was VIP status.
All you did was purchase a game and you got the cosmetic for free. Why would you care if someone had to pay $20 in the emporium for the item?? You still gain a benefit by them having to PAY EXTRA for an item you got for free.
Seriously guys I mean come on, stop trying to feel special over having done nothing more than anyone else did. You purchased the game, we all bought the game. Don't see how you should or anyone else should be treated like you were special.
Now don't get me wrong, if Rare had some kind of tournament and someone won first place, then yeah go for it, The cosmetic and title are for his ACHIEVEMENT for winning, he did something NO ONE ELSE was capable of doing, they got first place. Thats an achievement,
not going to the grocery to buy toilet paper.not going to the store to buy a gallon of milk.SIDE NOTE Buying toilet paper is a HUGE achievement actually so I need to correct that statement from earlier as of right now if you can find toilet paper then you are very special lol.
@xultanis-dragon as I said before, time limited items, pre ordered, exclusive items and items earned through commendations should not be released again. If you weren't there to get them when they were available you shouldn't be able to just ask for them. Even if you're prepared to pay. There are sets of cosmetics I never completed, I'm not asking Rare for them. I really like the Ferryman set. A friend of mine has it. I'm not crying for it.
Thats great and there are players like myself who have sets that don't care if Rare re-releases them. Who cares if you bought it when it was available, doesn't mean you made some grand achievement in purchasing something. Players did nothing extra for something and want to play it off like they were the hero's of a war. I don't care who has my sets or who has whatever.
There are those that want to feel special and there are those who don't care. I'm in the don't care boat.
What exclusive sets have you got? Purely out of interest. I’d class time-limited ones got in game (bone cruncher etc) as not being exclusive. I’d class the Ferryman and Black Dog Bundles as being exclusive. As they cost real money, or were for a select group and were not part of the emporium - and/or existed in some capacity outside of the game.
Mate, what are you on about? Preorder is a special status. You say that they didn’t do anything, but they placed their faith in the game to not be boring or buggy (effectively a Fallout 76). Preorder will have given Rare a good look at the interest in their game and in the same way Insiders can earn a special ship set, it’s just a mediocre set that has a grander story behind it I.e ‘I was here from day 1.’ You wouldn’t fit into that as, well, you clearly weren’t.
@captain-fejk Lol that is hypocrite, you say "its just cosmetics" then why do you care if its just cosmetics?
And exclusivity is not from video games literally everyone do that, watches brands release limited editions, clothing cereal boxes so a unique exclusive item might be special to someone and junk for another but there is nothing wrong with that so if you truly say "just cosmetics" why do you have a problem with it staying the way it is?
I smell hypocricy.@xultanis-dragon dude didn't bother reading your reply. I've said my bit. No doubt you and all the other whiners will have access to all these things that you so desperately need as Rare caves in to your demands.
@chronodusk They did say that the controller was going to be a 1 time release and as producers/devs of a game they have to stick to their word. So i highly doubt its gonna come back and if it does their gonna have some extremely angry people who had the set before ( Like me ) who managed to buy the controller and got the set. Its a exclusive thing and as that it will only be released once. They might do something on twitter like they did with the obsidian capstan ECT where you get a chance to win one but the controller will never be available for 65 bucks like it was before.
As someone who has neither the black dog set or the ferryman set:
No. They are meant to be limited and rare, and they are some of the only actually rare cosmetics still in the game. Hell, i even think they should add an EoR and ONLY send it out to those who have entered a Ferryman code. You want cool weapons? Either buy a set from the emporium or earn them. Legendary Sea Dog grind has literally never been easier.
@comrade-molly I feel you, but I think a big allure for the set was the exclusivity factor so I feel like they wouldn’t do that
@captain-fejk The reason I want the Black Dog pack is because I jump though all Rare's hoop to get obsidian sets, and even if I get the 6 Pack, Capstan, and Blunderbuss, I can never complete it because I didn't preorder
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