How about fixing the glitch to shoot and reload fast?

  • Arametus
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    Every day I enter a live stream of someone who uses and abuses the glitch in which he can shoot 2 shots in a row with different weapons, canceling the animation and everything, which is totally depressing to play against, and I don't see any notes from Rare about fixing that, I don't take the merit of the players for being good at aiming, but it is ridiculous how this glitch works and how almost nobody touches on the subject, apart from the fact that the same players who use and abuse it are the same ones who stream entering and leaving servers to find someone doing active skeleton forts to steal (90% of the stream is a guy coming in and out of servers), be it a novice or someone experienced in the game doing it, in which I think is a totally toxic behavior and rare lets it happen.

    (About the quick 2 shots / quick reload glitch, clearly today is not as stupid as in the past, but it is still possible to do and easily manipulated with macros, add some kind of time lock when changing weapons or something to correct it. This is my suggestion, as well as adding an invincibility time where those who reappear cannot attack until they move and are not attacked when someone returns to the boat after dying, to avoid "spawnkill")

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  • ViperishEmu2992
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    I wouldn't hold your breath. Rare don't care (very much) about it. Double-gunning has been a major complaint since day 1. Rare have tried (and failed) to fix it a few times. The fact that they still allow 2-gun load-outs shows that they don't take this problem very seriously.

    The professional approach is to remove broken non-essential elements from a system until a working solution can be developed in a testing environment (such as the Insiders Program). Games, Automobiles, Washing Machines, Football Teams, ... you name it.

  • OOOEEE GOD
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    Honestly, I would just do better

  • Galactic Geek
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    @viperishemu2992 said in How about fixing the glitch to shoot and reload fast?:

    I wouldn't hold your breath. Rare don't care (very much) about it. Double-gunning has been a major complaint since day 1. Rare have tried (and failed) to fix it a few times. The fact that they still allow 2-gun load-outs shows that they don't take this problem very seriously.

    The professional approach is to remove broken non-essential elements from a system until a working solution can be developed in a testing environment (such as the Insiders Program). Games, Automobiles, Washing Machines, Football Teams, ... you name it.

    Rare doesn't care?
    Double-guns is the issue?
    They don't take it very seriously?

    No x 3

    They show that they very much care through their news, streams, responses, and content updates.

    Using double guns has never been the issue; the exploit associated with it has. Even if the exploit was what you were actually referring to, don't neglect to use the word, exploit, to differentiate the 2 entirely different terms/meanings (double-gun exploit as opposed to just double-gun), or else you'll only confuse pirates even further.

    Rare does take it seriously - the amount of changes they've put into the game since launch is proof enough of that. If anything, I think they take it more seriously than you do, because it's their passion Project, and their livelihood. They want to make sure that it remains fun and accessible. Removing half of your combat options to fix a single bug is not the way to do that.

  • Fllw3rb0y
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    @oooeee-god really, just because you know how to make programs in scratch doesnt make you a developer

  • Fllw3rb0y
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    @viperishemu2992 2 gun loadouts arent the problem and a MAJORITY of players dont use exploits. it would be unfair to everyone else to get punished for the actions of a minority group.

  • Arametus
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    @fllw3rb0y
    Of course, the problem itself is not being able to use 2 guns, but their exploit, I don't know about your server, but in mine (Brazilian) there are quite a lot of people who abuse this exploit with guns, even as I said, do broadcast doing the exploit without even caring, quitting and entering servers just to steal someone, someone who clearly will not know how to use the glitch or do something against (which is impossible to fight back since besides doing this, they are good at aim) and will be taking spawnkill from those players who use this exploit. The point here is, there are guys doing this who even get sponsored by Rare. And in my opinion, Rare dont care right now about this... Unfortunately.

  • ViperishEmu2992
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    @fllw3rb0y That all depends. If temporarily removing the double-gun layout would make more players quit SoT than "double-gunning" already does, then you would be correct.

    I doubt this would be the case. Most players could quite easily "survive" for awhile without a two-gun layout. Especially if they knew that the end result would be a game without the double-gunning exploit.

    The responsible and professional approach is to move the double-gun layout to the "insiders" program for testing until a suitable fix can be found. It's not a punishment, it's a sacrifice. Let's be honest, if you can't enjoy this game with a cutlass in one hand, this probably isn't the right game for you anyways.

  • fatherpapadaddy
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    About players joining servers to steal loot: It is a pirate game, stealing loot is the whole point. I suppose you'd want people to do tall tales instead, huh.

  • Fllw3rb0y
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    @viperishemu2992 personally i would be very mad at rare, mostly for not fixing the issue but instead for finding an easy part time solution that punishes me for my playstyle. i probably would play a lot less.

  • ViperishEmu2992
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    @fllw3rb0y said in How about fixing the glitch to shoot and reload fast?:

    @viperishemu2992 personally i would be very mad at rare, mostly for not fixing the issue but instead for finding an easy part time solution that punishes me for my playstyle. i probably would play a lot less.

    The way I would look at it is that your sacrifice was a way to stop other players quitting SoT out of frustration with the double-shot exploit. Playing without your "second gun" for awhile is a small sacrifice for the overall improvement and health of the game. And it would give you time to work on your cutlass skills.

    The glass can also be half full!

  • Fllw3rb0y
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    @viperishemu2992 lol no way, double gunning isnt even that common and with the buff to sword this update there is no way i would still play if they forced me to use a gun and a sword that would be the ultimate insult. they should find some other way to fix the exploit

  • ViperishEmu2992
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    @fllw3rb0y said in How about fixing the glitch to shoot and reload fast?:

    @viperishemu2992 lol no way, double gunning isnt even that common and with the buff to sword this update there is no way i would still play if they forced me to use a gun and a sword that would be the ultimate insult. they should find some other way to fix the exploit

    Rare should have fixed a lot of things about combat. But they haven't. All they've done since launch is tinker with things. Sometimes it gets a bit better, sometimes it gets a bit worse. Usually it's both.

    Double-shot 1 kill is driving players away. It's certainly not attracting any new ones. And no new players are buying SoT thinking "So glad I bought this game so I can equip 2 guns! Boy that 2-gun layout is gonna rock!".

    Professionally speaking removing the 2-gun layout temporarily is the correct move. It's not a game breaking mechanic. Except apparently for you? Nobody, including me, wants to lose the option to equip 2 guns. 2 guns is very useful in some situations. But most people DO want a better SoT and are willing to put up with a temporary inconvenience.

    If games with double gun layouts is your turn-on, I have a few suggestions for you...

  • Fllw3rb0y
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    @viperishemu2992 ive never actually experienced the 2 shoot mechanic against me, personally it seems like such a non-issue. the reason why i would stop playing is mostly due to them directly saying that they will never do what you're suggesting. going back on that would seriously irk me.

  • ViperishEmu2992
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    @fllw3rb0y said in How about fixing the glitch to shoot and reload fast?:

    @viperishemu2992 ive never actually experienced the 2 shoot mechanic against me, personally it seems like such a non-issue. the reason why i would stop playing is mostly due to them directly saying that they will never do what you're suggesting. going back on that would seriously irk me.

    Obviously we would all miss the ability to equip two guns. But situations change and so do peoples decisions.

    Rare may have said they would never remove the 2 guns option??? But for a year and half now they have failed to take 2-shot insta-kill out to the game and it is upsetting a lot of people. The path that they chose has not worked.

    "Progress is impossible without change. Those who can’t change their minds can’t change anything." ~ George Bernard Shaw

  • Fllw3rb0y
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    @viperishemu2992 maybe you could just ask for them to just fix it

  • Comrade Molly
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    There is no exploit. It is literally not possible to quickswap anymore; you can cancel the animation and aim down sights faster, but you cannot shoot more than one bullet per second.

    Try it yourself: put on two guns, stand still, aim, shoot, swap to your other gun, then shoot again. 1 second every time, no exploits needed.

    Mods: You have GOT to start moderating posts like this that are obviously false information. So many of the feedback forum users have no idea what they're talking about, because threads like this based on false information are not locked.

  • Arametus
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    @comrade-molly

    "False information" I watch live streams every day, and every day some [mod edit] player is using this [mod edit], if you are claiming "this is not true", obviously you should also abuse it and know how to use it. [mod edit]

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    @arametus

    If you believe a player has been toxic in the game or suspect foul play, you can report them to Xbox Live here. You can also submit a support ticket to Rare Player Support.

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