Captaincy

@targasbr Never mentioned kicking at all.

Just throw them in the brigg and stop them hijacking the ship.

People in cells rarely sit there too long when they get ignored.

So if they hang on for the loot thats fine but they will be bored sat there waiting.

The system will likely be abused but no much more than it is currently now.

Personally i cant see how it wont work. Do you see a scenario where it wouldnt work?

@daringclarky This is a very anti-piratical suggestion. People voted on pirate ships. They even voted for their captains.

If you open up your crew with a ship full of loot, well, the consequences are on you, as far as I'm concerned. Why on earth would you do that unless you wanted to give it away.

If I open up my crew it's when the ship is empty so that I have nothing to lose.

You'll very quickly have people complaining about tyrants who vote everyone into the brig over slight disagreements. It's very undemocratic - something this game appears to strive for with its crews (hence the voting on voyages.)

I'm not sure exactly what the devs had in mind when they were thinking about Captaincy, but I don't think it was this.

Having one person in control of everything, to me, breaks the whole point of all crew-mates are equal. I understand the point of this, but I have no desire to listen to some guy on a power trip. I get the optional part, but I'd rather have vote kicks (Brig is pointless because people refuse to leave) vs. one person in control.

From experience i rarely get people who linger in a brig.

Its not some guy on a power trip either, its basically giving you the freedom of crew types. Some would-be solo player is now sailing with a crew.

Personally i would rather play under a captain because the noobs gets instantly brigged. Then when a competent crew actually arrives you can change crew type or keep as is.

By the way to the guy talking about pirates historically, yes pirates were the first democracy however not all pirates ran their ships that way.

Many privateers got letters of mark which was a kind of license to hunt enemy ships of a nation. They particilated in piracy and also paid their sailors a salary. So technically not all pirates were democratic.

@daringclarky Great. When they introduce letters of mark and removes the current democratic elements, you might have a point. But, based on how the game works right now, it's pretty much a democracy.

Ah, so this is really about the noobs, is it? Yes, let's drive new players away with instant brigging by one person vote instead of requiring a majority. Sounds fun!

@entspeak I see nothing wrong giving players more freedom rather than restricting gameplay.

I see no possible harm for those who do not wish to participate and it would foster a higher quality of match making. Definitely something the devs would have envisioned. As opposed to joining randomly with mute noobs, trolls and people with totally seperate agendas.

Regardless though, i think my idea is good and i think it would be a nice addition. Im unlikely to change me mind of this.

@entspeak said in Captaincy:

@daringclarky Great. When they introduce letters of mark and removes the current democratic elements, you might have a point. But, based on how the game works right now, it's pretty much a democracy.

Ah, so this is really about the noobs, is it? Yes, let's drive new players away with instant brigging by one person vote instead of requiring a majority. Sounds fun!

The game has hit a record 10 million players. And no its not about noobs. Its about letting captains vet crew before investing their time.

Not everyone will insta brig.
If they do dumb stuff like detatch rowboats, drop treasure or go AFK then yeah the brig they go.

If it doesnt sound fun then stick to a pirate crew.
Just because you dont agree doesnt mean others wouldnt enjoy it. An ability to choose is all im suggesting.

Players can easily join pirate democratic crews (like now) instead if they are unlucky in captaincy.

@daringclarky I’m saying that I hope there is Captaincy at some point and that it isn’t this suggestion.

@entspeak You have a right to that opinion.
However i have a right to mine also in saying i hope it is implemented as in such a way i suggested. :)

@daringclarky Good luck with that. Clearly a popular suggestion. You want to take a system that is already abused and make it easier to abuse it by going from a majority vote to the ability to insta-brig. Nope.

@daringclarky

I honestly like the idea and think a discussion about the pros & cons will be interesting.

@flintlock-dan said in Captaincy:

What of the captain of the ship is a troll who kicks you after you help them complete a difficult task to invite one of his friends that just logs in? Sound fair to you? Sadly people will mutiny or just play to ruin your fun that's today's society nothing anyone can do about it. Brig them, sell and leave.

In all fairness this type of thing happens now anyway. People will work with a crew then nearing the end of the voyage find themselves brigged and told to leave. Here is how to look at it. When this type of thing happens, you block the player and hop not to have to deal with them again. Same thing for Captain mode. You get dropped on a crew with a bad Captain block and move on.

@entspeak said in Captaincy:

@daringclarky Good luck with that. Clearly a popular suggestion. You want to take a system that is already abused and make it easier to abuse it by going from a majority vote to the ability to insta-brig. Nope.

The current system isn't changing. He is proposing offering an alternative system. Sure it will have its share of problems as well, but offers a way as a player to protect themselves from random trolls.

@flintlock-dan said in Captaincy:

What of the captain of the ship is a troll who kicks you after you help them complete a difficult task to invite one of his friends that just logs in? Sound fair to you? Sadly people will mutiny or just play to ruin your fun that's today's society nothing anyone can do about it. Brig them, sell and leave.

You will get occasional awful captains. Just stay in the brigg til he cashes in. You wont lost progress that way.

He cant outright kick you.

@entspeak said in Captaincy:

@daringclarky Good luck with that. Clearly a popular suggestion. You want to take a system that is already abused and make it easier to abuse it by going from a majority vote to the ability to insta-brig. Nope.

It wouldnt be as bad as you imagine it to be.
Cant get any worse to be fair.

Current system doesnt work too well with randoms.
My suggestion would fix that.

Not entirely fix, but be a welcome change.

@daringclarky Can’t get worse? Going from a majority vote to abuse someone to an insta-brig is, by definition, worse. Make it easier to do and more people will do it.

Your suggestion would only serve to make an existing abuse more prevalent and easier to do.

@archaell said in Captaincy:

I wouldn't mind such an option. Right now it's problematic to split up the crew, because to accept voyages we need the majority on the ship. If one person could start a voyage alone, it could save a lot of sailing time during events like the gift seeking.

In captaincy the only vote that matters is the host.
Meaning they can choose whatever the agenda is.

Its not gonna be for everyone which is why pirate crew should persist alongside it. :)