A structural way of finding compatible lobbies.

  • Hello!

    So I've been having some rather poor experiences with random lobbies generated through the game, and I don't believe I'm alone here. What happens then is that I head on to the discord servers and use the LFC channels to find a team.

    Thing is, relying on discord to coordinate and assemble a decent team is pretty poor game design. If you load up a galleon right now, chances are you will either be alone or with 1-2 other guys that will either leave instantly or want to do something different from you or the rest.

    So how could a proper LFC be implemented in the game?

    You've probably heard a lot of people suggest an island like Tortuga (from Pirates of the caribbean), and I thought it could work really well as a sort of lobby finder.

    I'm thinking, once you start up the game, you'll still have the choice of playing solo or find a random group, but in addition, you can also visit the island "Tortuga" (for lack of an original name atm). Well there, you'll find a town, much like a hub, where you can hang out and talk to other pirates in a local server, and perhaps even private message eachother ingame (seriously xbox app is hella flawed when it comes to managing friends...).

    Then there'd also be a sort of pinboard, where pirates can announce their voyages and goals (cross server), and where you can search for keywords or what not to find the crew compatible with you! Perhaps a smart way of implementing this for xbox players as well, would be to have obligatory keywords you can just "check" when you are searching. Such as "Athena voyage", "Fort of the damned", "Skull forts", "Tall Tale x", etc.

    I've talked to a few people about this and they seem to really like the idea, even if you don't feel like hopping on a voyage, just hanging out in a tavern with tons of people and perhaps have some minigames and whatnot sounds really fun, and something this game is missing!

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  • @boatswine-bart I agree, using third party software as an LFG tool is hilariously terrible game design, i agree. xD

    I shouldn't need to tab out of the game, open up an entirely different program, just to find some people to play with.
    Now seeing as there isn't a server list in this game, the very least Rare could do, is create a crew list for you to browse when you speak to some kind of a "Recruiter" NPC at this "Tortuga" port. : /

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  • @sweltering-nick said in We need a more structural way of finding lobbies.:

    @boatswine-bart I agree, using third party software as an LFG tool is hilariously terrible game design, i agree. xD

    I shouldn't need to tab out of the game, open up an entirely different program, just to find some people to play with.
    Now seeing as there isn't a server list in this game, the very least Rare could do, is create a crew list for you to browse when you speak to some kind of a "Recruiter" NPC at this "Tortuga" port. : /

    Exactly! That's pretty much what I had in mind, an npc with a pinboard of sorts, where you can navigate through pending lobbies with descriptions or whatnot.

  • I know you're anti-third party apps but Discord is a wonderful place to find others who want to do the same thing. There is an official server as well. https://discordapp.com/invite/seaofthieves

  • While I can certainly see the benefits to having an in-game system in place for finding random crews, the LFG feature of XBL is intrinsically tied to the game due to both being owned by MS. So I doubt we'll see this being implemented, because they'll probably see it as a waste of time and resources that can be placed elsewhere especially since they already have an established alternative that works reasonably well.

    I personally have no issues with the LFG setup, but I'm on Xbox, not PC, so I don't generally have the same issues that app users might have (because yes, the app is absolutely atrocious).

    What could work is if they tied the LFG system directly into the game itself with your "Tortuga" setup using the best of both concepts - that's what I would like to see.

  • @fadingtojosh said in We need a more structural way of finding lobbies.:

    I know you're anti-third party apps but Discord is a wonderful place to find others who want to do the same thing. There is an official server as well. https://discordapp.com/invite/seaofthieves

    I'm well aware, I'm even refering to it in the OP. My point is that a game shouldn't rely on other programs to play. Doing normal open games right now is a pretty bad experience, unless you're really lucky.

  • @galactic-geek said in We need a more structural way of finding lobbies.:

    While I can certainly see the benefits to having an in-game system in place for finding random crews, the LFG feature of XBL is intrinsically tied to the game due to both being owned by MS. So I doubt we'll see this being implemented, because they'll probably see it as a waste of time and resources that can be placed elsewhere especially since they already have an established alternative that works reasonably well.

    I personally have no issues with the LFG setup, but I'm on Xbox, not PC, so I don't generally have the same issues that app users might have (because yes, the app is absolutely atrocious).

    What could work is if they tied the LFG system directly into the game itself with your "Tortuga" setup using the best of both concepts - that's what I would like to see.

    Yeah the app is pretty bad, but regardless, I don't think it should be removed at all, I'm simply suggesting a feature that can enrich the game and streamline the crew search! As of right now there's no good way of doing it besides using discord, and I think that's a shame. Being so reliant on another service to do something as simple as finding a compatible crew is not great.

    I'm sure a lot of people just want to hang out in SoT as well, without doing voyages, but there's no real way to do that right now. So an island like this could hit both those marks at once, kinda like a VR-chat esque environment.

  • @boatswine-bart I find it kind of funny that you think that it's the best thing for finding a good crew, because I absolutely hate using Discord. So while it may be the best for you, I find it difficult to navigate, and never quite find what I'm looking for (it took me MONTHS just trying to find the official SoT Discord channel), so I just stick with the LFG features of XBL (but not the app). To each their own. Hey, at least we have choices. 😅

  • @galactic-geek Are you referring to the Discord app on the X-Box? Because I have a friend who is on X-Box who uses discord on his phone. This way he can interact with us trough discord and we can easily look for people and amass a good crew.

    So maybe try the app on your phone, it also works with voice chat so that's a great plus. Sure it's a phone on your lap extra but it works so well.

  • @hynieth I was referring to the the LFG app being terrible, actually. In regards to Discord, I was referring to it as a whole - I've used it primarily on PC and on my phone, and they're both equally confusing to me. As for a Discord app on the Xbox, to my knowledge, no official app exists (though it has been a while since I've admittedly checked).

  • @galactic-geek Discord is as confusing or as simple as the admin wants it to be. After you get and klick a link you're in a discord group and that group can have several channels some for chat and some for voice, it's basically not more or less complicated then that.

    I've not been using the LFG app at all, I was about to do so when I started playing when I found and stuck with a Discord group and have been sailing with the same wonderfull folks since.

    Ergo I advocate discord as a great service since it gave me friends to play not only SoT with but also other games like GTA V, Mordhau, Monster Hunter World, Anthem, and many more.

  • @hynieth
    Meh, XBL already does that for me... 😅

  • It's much easier to load up Discord and find a crew which is total nonsense.

    It's been a year or so now... No changes to improve it. Still using Discord.

    Pretty sure the only reason people queue up on Open Crew is to hopefully land a crew that has just finished a voyage and they are cashing out. After they get paid. Rinse repeat. Find a new Galleon that is just pulling into port.

    That is the problem I see.

  • all players I sail with.
    I have meet in-game, an is up to 210 friends now.
    Of cause some has fallen off alone the way, but still, has always some good capable pirates to sail with.

    Some people you just click with an have a good time together, then you finde some more, introduce them to each other, an start forming a crew.

    Felling forced to use 3 party programs to find crew or x-box own thing, that is players own choice.

  • @greencamillion1 said in We need a more structural way of finding lobbies.:

    all players I sail with.
    I have meet in-game, an is up to 210 friends now.
    Of cause some has fallen off alone the way, but still, has always some good capable pirates to sail with.

    Some people you just click with an have a good time together, then you finde some more, introduce them to each other, an start forming a crew.

    Felling forced to use 3 party programs to find crew or x-box own thing, that is players own choice.

    That's great to hear, but I don't share your experience at all, and many people I've talked to confirm what I'm saying. If you want a solid crew the only way to do it properly is through other communities. I say lets bring this to the sea of thieves instead! You can be lucky enough to find a crew when finding random games, but in probably more than 9/10 cases, you end up alone on a ship, or with people that just instantly leave (presumably because they want to join a ship that's already stacked and on a voyage).

    I have tried finding groups many times since writing this thread and I keep getting disappointed. The only way to play with people that have the same goal is through discord. I have over 100 friends in SoT now and pretty much all of them are through discord, I can't remember a single one that I found on a random load in that stuck with me.

  • @scatloaf said in We need a more structural way of finding lobbies.:

    It's much easier to load up Discord and find a crew which is total nonsense.

    It's been a year or so now... No changes to improve it. Still using Discord.

    Pretty sure the only reason people queue up on Open Crew is to hopefully land a crew that has just finished a voyage and they are cashing out. After they get paid. Rinse repeat. Find a new Galleon that is just pulling into port.

    That is the problem I see.

    This is pretty much my experience as well. Either you load in alone, or your crewmates quickly leave.

  • @galactic-geek said in We need a more structural way of finding lobbies.:

    @hynieth I was referring to the the LFG app being terrible, actually. In regards to Discord, I was referring to it as a whole - I've used it primarily on PC and on my phone, and they're both equally confusing to me. As for a Discord app on the Xbox, to my knowledge, no official app exists (though it has been a while since I've admittedly checked).

    It's certainly optimal considering what limited choices you have. The official discord server has tens of thousands of members, and the LFG channel is active every day. If you're not familiar with discord I can understand how it may be confusing at first, but it's really not hard to learn if you've used programs like skype, ventrilo, teamspeak, etc...

  • Xbox lfg for the win.

    Why is the acronym for "for the win" banned on this site. I dont get this site sometimes.

  • @boatswine-bart Yeah, I don't really use any of them... 😅

  • This seems like a great solution!

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