The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.

  • I've reached the point where I look forward to being able to quit SoT for the day as I've done a repeat of another tall tale.

    I understand needing something to lock away rewards, but forcing players to run quests, tall tales 5 times through is beyond fair.

    I enjoyed the tall tales the first 2 run throughs. Now I've done 8 5/5 and just have 9 to do another 2 times, I absolutely hate them. I don't enjoy anything about them as I'm being forced to replay the same content over and over.

    Why can't we have new content rather than replay old stuff over and over and over and over to fill in the time.

    Myself and 5 friends who all used to play regularly are barely playing anymore because we're bored of repeating the same thing over and over.

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  • Rare doesn't force you to repeat them - you do that, if you want the cosmetics. They offer you the CHOICE to repeat them so you can earn said cosmetics, see the slight puzzle differences, and to help friends or others who may be new to the TTs. Remember, it's the experience that YOU make it.

  • Rare doesn't force you. Yet, he/she is right. Repeating things is not new content.

  • @japollo-93 The only one forcing you to spam all tall tales for all the rewards is yourself.

    Take me, for example. I'm only interested in the Magpie's Wing cannons and Briggsy's Sails, while the others aren't really my style for the look I want for my ship

  • I just start a new sailor its great on first turn in its like hitting a casino jackpot with commendations, achievements popping up! Soon i can buy new sails ^^

  • To the people saying no one is forcing me, you are right.

    However I want the gold curse, so I have to. That doesn't mean its enjoyable or right to repeat the content.

    I'll have done 45 voyages for the tall tales once I finish, and then if I counted all the times I ran them with friends to help them it turns into a lot more than 45.

  • @japollo-93 I do it a few times then I’m back to sinking and plundering ships lol

  • @jApollo-93

    You're doing the repeat chapters solo, I presume? If so, that's why. The reason all of the voyages and similar quests, including these, are the same thing over and over again with some variation is because you aren't meant to go at them alone and focus solely on the repetition, you're meant to play them like a voyage, seeing different sights and experiencing different encounters each time. For instance, on one of my repeats of the Art of a Trickster chapter, my own sloop was chased by another sloop. I didn't have the resources for a fight with them, so I led them around until I could get back to Plunder Valley to jump off with the Shroudbreaker stone and finish the quest. After that, with next to nothing to lose, I gave them the fight they wanted, and continued getting the commendations after. It was a very different experience to the time before, for instance, where I'd done a speedrun of the puzzles themselves and gone for the journals in the Trapmaker's Lair instead.

  • @japollo-93 Oh I understand you VERY much on your points. It was (and still is) a shock for me to know that you have to do each Tall Tale 5 times to unlock something that we should have obtained after, let's say, doing them all twice for example. It feels like the idea behind it is to keep us on the seas, grinding and grinding with countless hours, and it seems like you will never be able to finish it.

    Now one would argue that we should do them with more players, that it makes it easier, or even hey, this is a pirate game, so you will/might get chased and sunk every once in a while. But first, not everyone has partners online at the very same moment we start to play, so we have to do them solo, plus, the chance to not be able to finish a Tall Tale because we get robed, plundered, sunk by other pirates is MUCH higher wen we have to do them 5 times all in total.

    I now finished my 10 Forts of the Damned yesterday, and really ONLY because we met a great group of German players on a brig, willing to form an alliance and also stick with it until the end (which gets rarer and rarer our days), and worked together for multiple Forts run. But it took us something over 7-8 hours of total gametime (to first get the lights, the skulls, etc etc).

    So to make a long story short, I truly feel with you and the frustration.

  • Now I've done 8 5/5 and just have 9 to do another 2 times, I absolutely hate them.

    You don't have to do anything.

    Play Sea of Thieves the way you like to play. Do the stuff you enjoy. Don't focus on getting a pixellated rendition of hat or coat that you will hardly wear - or even the gold curse.

    It's a first-person perspective game. You won't see your clothes - or the curse - anyway, after the load screen. If anything, all you really need are nice looking sleeves, and gloves or a hook, if you choose to use either. :-)

  • SoT has only 2 parts.

    1. Fetch Quest; whether via voyages or Tall Tales....everything boils down to fetch quests.
    2. PvP; since players are constantly grinding fetch quests, they 'should' have loot on board for PvPers to fight for/over.

    That's it. That's the "gameplay" of SoT.

    Which leads to my answer for the OP.
    The "replaying the same content over and over for rewards" is the easiest way for.....

    1. Rare to develop additional content
    2. artificially increase play time

    Except, now the ultimate purpose is revealed....one can circumvent the egregiously grindy fetch quest gameplay by simply purchasing the cosmetic; sans grind.

    The only content that I would think of as actual content has been the PvE elements (ships/megs/additional islands) and Arena.
    But even these get blended up and boiled down into the highly repetitive tasks that are still just fetch quests for the sake of PvP.

    Please don't take my summary of this game as though I'm saying, "it's doomed" or "I hate this game".

    I'm simply being honest about what is right in front of us.

  • The simple solution is to not do it all at once. There are several things to do in the game. merchant voyages, Gold horder, OoS each with a whole stack of commendations to earn. Hunters call, Arena, Skull Forts, FotD, Forsaken Voyages, Athena Quests (and all their commendations), Megladon hunting, Bilge Rats commendations.

    If your tired of doing tall tales do something else for a bit and go back for it. Or speedrun the tall tales. i did Shores of Gold 5 times in one night just speedrunning it. it doesn't take that long to do.

    What I will say though, is I do think the bosses need more work. Briggsy, Graymarrow and the Gold Horder. The fights are not difficult just tedious. If there was some more skill involved than just button mashing and running to ammo boxes and barrels for food while 20 blundy skeletons attack you it would be better. A more skilled fight rather than what it currently is. Aside from that just mix up your play a bit. There is plenty to do in the game you don't have to mash one thing all out at once.

    If you want the gold curse then speedrun the TT's. Do one tall tale back to back a day. Shouldn't take more than a week to finish them all if you just speedrun them.

  • @japollo-93 The cosmetic rewards for doing the TT's 5 times, is intended to be a factor of REPLAYABILITY.

    Nobody is forcing you to get that cosmetic, if you want it, you're gonna have to work for it, simple as that.

    I actually DO have the gold curse, i loved doing the TT's... It took me like, i think 2-3 days, 3 hours session each to get the gold curse? You can skip certain parts of the Tales, btw, to speed things up. :P

    I never had any complains, when i was nearly finished, i was exhausted from doing them, sure, but i was fully aware that i made the choice to get the cosmetic i wanted badly enough to go through torturing myself to get... That my suffering was my own doing, nobody else's. :P

    If you don't want it bad enough, you're not supposed to have it, you are not entitled to get things easier just because you REALLY want them...

  • @surveyorpete said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    Now I've done 8 5/5 and just have 9 to do another 2 times, I absolutely hate them.

    You don't have to do anything.

    Play Sea of Thieves the way you like to play. Do the stuff you enjoy. Don't focus on getting a pixellated rendition of hat or coat that you will hardly wear - or even the gold curse.

    It's a first-person perspective game. You won't see your clothes - or the curse - anyway, after the load screen. If anything, all you really need are nice looking sleeves, and gloves or a hook, if you choose to use either. :-)

    The gold curse actually shows on your hands in first person if you're not wearing gloves... :P

  • @lil-fokker

    That's the point, yes. It's not like that's exactly a 'hidden truth' or whatever, is it? You aren't supposed to focus on the voyages, tales, whatever. You're supposed to focus on the world and the adventure. You know, "it's the journey, not the destination" and all that. The voyages exist for a few reasons: they give a way to increase a number, the 'progression' that some people like; they add to the lore of the world; they get players moving from island to island with treasure. That last one is the main one, keeping players sailing around and having treasure on board.

  • @sweltering-nick said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    @surveyorpete said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    Now I've done 8 5/5 and just have 9 to do another 2 times, I absolutely hate them.

    You don't have to do anything.

    Play Sea of Thieves the way you like to play. Do the stuff you enjoy. Don't focus on getting a pixellated rendition of hat or coat that you will hardly wear - or even the gold curse.

    It's a first-person perspective game. You won't see your clothes - or the curse - anyway, after the load screen. If anything, all you really need are nice looking sleeves, and gloves or a hook, if you choose to use either. :-)

    The gold curse actually shows on your hands in first person if you're not wearing gloves... :P

    Well, I certainly wouldn't know that, as I haven't earned it yet. Anyone care to help me with that?

  • @japollo-93 said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    I've reached the point where I look forward to being able to quit SoT for the day as I've done a repeat of another tall tale.

    I understand needing something to lock away rewards, but forcing players to run quests, tall tales 5 times through is beyond fair.

    I enjoyed the tall tales the first 2 run throughs. Now I've done 8 5/5 and just have 9 to do another 2 times, I absolutely hate them. I don't enjoy anything about them as I'm being forced to replay the same content over and over.

    How are you forced? I never was told I had to do them, I did them because I enjoyed them and I did them 5x each so I could get a reward that a lot of people wouldn't bother with.

    Why can't we have new content rather than replay old stuff over and over and over and over to fill in the time.

    There has been lots of new content and they continue to add things

  • @japollo-93

    Sea of Thieves is under the "Games as a Service" model, so that means that Rare don't want to find themselves in a situation where players are "exhausting" content in the game and constantly have reasons to go back and engage with existing content for a long time to come.

    I'm totally on board with long term goals and lofty achievements that few can earn, but I'd also like to see these commendations add new twists, turns, and challenges as we get closer to completing them.

    I really like Red Dead Redemption 2's Single Player challenges. For example the "Bandit" challenges in single player were really fun while also being a bit tough to complete. Like Bandit challenge #1 was "hold up 5 townsfolk", and then the second Bandit challenge was "Rob 2 Coaches", #3 was "Rob the cash registers of 4 different shops in one day"

    If you complete all 10 levels of Bandit challenges, you got a special Bandolier, Gun Holster, and Off Holster set. And I just thought how cool it would be if Sea of Thieves commendations worked like this. I think they could design commendations this way and it would still fall in line with Sea of Thieves' game design.

  • @galactic-geek said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    @sweltering-nick said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    @surveyorpete said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    Now I've done 8 5/5 and just have 9 to do another 2 times, I absolutely hate them.

    You don't have to do anything.

    Play Sea of Thieves the way you like to play. Do the stuff you enjoy. Don't focus on getting a pixellated rendition of hat or coat that you will hardly wear - or even the gold curse.

    It's a first-person perspective game. You won't see your clothes - or the curse - anyway, after the load screen. If anything, all you really need are nice looking sleeves, and gloves or a hook, if you choose to use either. :-)

    The gold curse actually shows on your hands in first person if you're not wearing gloves... :P

    Well, I certainly wouldn't know that, as I haven't earned it yet. Anyone care to help me with that?

    How far along are you on TT progress? :O

  • the worst grind for me is the sink 500 skelliships as a legend .... im on 423 now made the most i think 80,70% solo (when i play with my crew we never go active for skelliships and a long time there where no spawning ones) the problem is i need so long alone sinkin a galleon and the funniest thing is with my tactic the raid galleons are easier to handle

  • @sweltering-nick said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    @galactic-geek said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    @sweltering-nick said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    @surveyorpete said in The insistence on replaying the same content over and over for rewards is killing the game for me.:

    Now I've done 8 5/5 and just have 9 to do another 2 times, I absolutely hate them.

    You don't have to do anything.

    Play Sea of Thieves the way you like to play. Do the stuff you enjoy. Don't focus on getting a pixellated rendition of hat or coat that you will hardly wear - or even the gold curse.

    It's a first-person perspective game. You won't see your clothes - or the curse - anyway, after the load screen. If anything, all you really need are nice looking sleeves, and gloves or a hook, if you choose to use either. :-)

    The gold curse actually shows on your hands in first person if you're not wearing gloves... :P

    Well, I certainly wouldn't know that, as I haven't earned it yet. Anyone care to help me with that?

    How far along are you on TT progress? :O

    Finished 1-3 5x. 4-9 varies.

  • @galactic-geek Oof, you got quite a ways to go. What's your region? I'm asking for ping reasons. xD

  • @sweltering-nick Eastern time zone. Florida.

  • @galactic-geek Ouch, Norway here, Europe. Wouldn't us playing together put us in a super high ping servers? ;_;

  • @sweltering-nick Yes, it probably would.

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