PvE server garbage😂

Well whatever happened to the saying
"To Each Their Own"
Now i get that you might feel some sort of way about how others decide to play this game but i doubt this entitles you to spout a post like this purely to spit resentment at others chosen styles of play.

The game offers you many Tools and few to no Rules on how to play. Some choose to forgo the Murderlust of others, Some choose to do the same but Battle it out, Many simply play random servers others in discord only, Some play with no mic, some with... you see my point??

Now you'll think me some land lubbin greenhorn but let me assure you i've played in all manner of servers over the last year+, ranging from full server take overs to ones filled with murder loving chaos and you know what... they all provided myself and others with "Open World Adventure" just as the game is intended to be.

Nothing anyone you have expressed displeasure too here has committed any wrongdoing.. cept your name calling imo.

@ixxolos said in PvE server garbage😂:

Well whatever happened to the saying
"To Each Their Own"
Now i get that you might feel some sort of way about how others decide to play this game but i doubt this entitles you to spout a post like this purely to spit resentment at others chosen styles of play.

The game offers you many Tools and few to no Rules on how to play. Some choose to forgo the Murderlust of others, Some choose to do the same but Battle it out, Many simply play random servers others in discord only, Some play with no mic, some with... you see my point??

Now you'll think me some land lubbin greenhorn but let me assure you i've played in all manner of servers over the last year+, ranging from full server take overs to ones filled with murder loving chaos and you know what... they all provided myself and others with "Open World Adventure" just as the game is intended to be.

Nothing anyone you have expressed displeasure too here has committed any wrongdoing.. cept your name calling imo.

This is a blatant way to get a PvE only server and goes against the game. There is nothing to defend here. Joe has already said this is not in the spirit of SoT.
Plus they don't use only ingame tools in order to take over the servers, without discord they would find infinitly more difficult.

This needs to be called out more, and something done. Also let me ask, which group/PvE farming sever are you from?

@badassfro said in PvE server garbage😂:

@ixxolos said in PvE server garbage😂:

Well whatever happened to the saying
"To Each Their Own"
Now i get that you might feel some sort of way about how others decide to play this game but i doubt this entitles you to spout a post like this purely to spit resentment at others chosen styles of play.

The game offers you many Tools and few to no Rules on how to play. Some choose to forgo the Murderlust of others, Some choose to do the same but Battle it out, Many simply play random servers others in discord only, Some play with no mic, some with... you see my point??

Now you'll think me some land lubbin greenhorn but let me assure you i've played in all manner of servers over the last year+, ranging from full server take overs to ones filled with murder loving chaos and you know what... they all provided myself and others with "Open World Adventure" just as the game is intended to be.

Nothing anyone you have expressed displeasure too here has committed any wrongdoing.. cept your name calling imo.

This is a blatant way to get a PvE only server and goes against the game. There is nothing to defend here. Joe has already said this is not in the spirit of SoT.
Plus they don't use only ingame tools in order to take over the servers, without discord they would find infinitly more difficult.

This needs to be called out more, and something done. Also let me ask, which group/PvE farming sever are you from?

Dude, stop it, you're being super rude. It's completely within the rights of a player group to initiate a takeover via Discord; nobody uses Open Crew when they want to play seriously for a very good reason (people in open crews are either so new it's painful or beyond toxic trolls).

On top of that, it's very difficult to get a bunch of people on the same server to agree to invite someone in a farming group in; it'll take several hours to comb the server for the other players, and even then it's not a guarantee that the other people won't run or try to fight, or just plain won't be interested.

"PvE" servers are much less common than you think, and their formation is perfectly within using the existing tools of the game. I do agree that "official" PvE servers without the uncertainty of player interactions would be detrimental, but the way you're insulting others isn't acceptable.

@blam320 said in PvE server garbage😂:

@badassfro said in PvE server garbage😂:

@ixxolos said in PvE server garbage😂:

Well whatever happened to the saying
"To Each Their Own"
Now i get that you might feel some sort of way about how others decide to play this game but i doubt this entitles you to spout a post like this purely to spit resentment at others chosen styles of play.

The game offers you many Tools and few to no Rules on how to play. Some choose to forgo the Murderlust of others, Some choose to do the same but Battle it out, Many simply play random servers others in discord only, Some play with no mic, some with... you see my point??

Now you'll think me some land lubbin greenhorn but let me assure you i've played in all manner of servers over the last year+, ranging from full server take overs to ones filled with murder loving chaos and you know what... they all provided myself and others with "Open World Adventure" just as the game is intended to be.

Nothing anyone you have expressed displeasure too here has committed any wrongdoing.. cept your name calling imo.

This is a blatant way to get a PvE only server and goes against the game. There is nothing to defend here. Joe has already said this is not in the spirit of SoT.
Plus they don't use only ingame tools in order to take over the servers, without discord they would find infinitly more difficult.

This needs to be called out more, and something done. Also let me ask, which group/PvE farming sever are you from?

Dude, stop it, you're being super rude. It's completely within the rights of a player group to initiate a takeover via Discord; nobody uses Open Crew when they want to play seriously for a very good reason (people in open crews are either so new it's painful or beyond toxic trolls).

On top of that, it's very difficult to get a bunch of people on the same server to agree to invite someone in a farming group in; it'll take several hours to comb the server for the other players, and even then it's not a guarantee that the other people won't run or try to fight, or just plain won't be interested.

"PvE" servers are much less common than you think, and their formation is perfectly within using the existing tools of the game. I do agree that "official" PvE servers without the uncertainty of player interactions would be detrimental, but the way you're insulting others isn't acceptable.

Please point out where I have been rude. How have I insulted anybody, all I said was it isn't in the spirit of the game as said by the game's producers, and said that the OP was right for calling this out. I see where my belief maybe different than yours.

So I ask you which group are you from, as you seem overly defensive.

I'll go further, I personally hope everyone who does part take in server take overs should be banned.
There I said it, explain to how it fits in the game?
tell me what does it bring to the game?
all it does is take.

@shiftyuu

How exactly is recruiting external pirates that aren't on the session to begin with a tool offered by the game?

They are using a work around, exploiting the invite system, to assure they have a full server of pirates they know. There is a reason why the game doesn't allow it from the menu.

Alliance servers are there, but it was never intended that we were able to do this by having our friends join the server. It disrupts the intended flow of the game, the point of seeing sails on the horizon is to have friend or foe? Not ooh hey there is John and Mary. It is against the intent of the game, it is exploiting the invite system and just because you like this one exploit doesn't make it any better than the double gun exploit.

Btw I know people that do this and no... they usually do not RNG the hope we get together and get every single ship on the server. They buy ships, join peoples ship by having them accept a friend request on xbox and other means to take over other ships on the server. If you don't join them many of these communities will hunt you down till you leave. Don't act like they don't affect others, they have to first gain control before it becomes a paradise of tranquility.

That isn't a "PvE server". There are no PvE servers. That is a regular server with pirates doing things in a piratey way. I have been on servers where all six ships were in an alliance and all six ships were doing Athena voyages. We communicated and worked together to make gold and rep. We pirated the system. You have to go out of your way to join something like this, so it's a bit silly to act like you just mistakenly stumbled across it.

As so many of us point out, Sea of Thieves lets players play how they want. If you don't like playing with every ship being on your crew, don't go out of your way to make it happen. Want it to happen? Well, do what you did.

Play how YOU want. Let others play how they want.

@shiftyuu I think you will find they are taking alot from the game actually, by farming PvE that's 6 less PvE boats with potential loot for PvP crews.

This game requires both PvE and PvP crews.

Can you please explain to me what it actually brings to the game?

@snipercenturion said in PvE server garbage😂:

I always love to hunt ships and steal their stuff...
...allow some ships to go Rouge...

Well, it sounds like you had a lot of ships with a lot of loot. Why din't you "hunt ships", "steal their stuff" and "go rouge"?

@badassfro None recently... I sail solo on a Sloop 90% of the time the rest is open crews for me.

You mention Discord use, this is used in the Dev streams too so i guess they condone it right??

"Not in the spirit of SoT" yet not a single player has been banned for such action, and i doubt they ever will, so until that day comes you can bet your bottom doller people will continue to "Adventure" in any way they see fit.

The rudeness pointed out from others to you is due to your assumption on other playstyles and the reasons they choose to do so.

Their actions bring them joy and this alone is a good enough reason for those that choose to play this way to do so.
Same goes for server hopping PvP crews searching for pre lit 1 and Done Fort loot.

Sure you worded it well fellow Pirate but asking for Bans and Chastising others choices are considered bad taste on these here forums.

@dislex-fx said in PvE server garbage😂:

That isn't a "PvE server". There are no PvE servers. That is a regular server with pirates doing things in a piratey way. I have been on servers where all six ships were in an alliance and all six ships were doing Athena voyages. We communicated and worked together to make gold and rep. We pirated the system. You have to go out of your way to join something like this, so it's a bit silly to act like you just mistakenly stumbled across it.

As so many of us point out, Sea of Thieves lets players play how they want. If you don't like playing with every ship being on your crew, don't go out of your way to make it happen. Want it to happen? Well, do what you did.

Play how YOU want. Let others play how they want.

I complain when people exploit the game mechanics to be able to double gun and they are just pirating the systems that are in place to shoot in quicker succession. They are playing how they want yet it isn't the intent.

Just because you can do something does not mean that it should be done. It is a reason it is an exploit and not an intended design. The game doesn't provide the choice to join a session with multiple ships at once for a reason. The fact that you are working around the systems in place is clearly using exploits to achieve your goals.

To say it is fine, let me exploit and good for the game or doesn't affect others is just false. It affects the value of the in game titles, the achievements that they represent are no longer the same. Legendary Thief has no meaning because of the majority of people didn't steal.

Additionally not everyone takes over servers by friendly means. They will try to get you to leave the server if you are not willing to join, from hunting you down to xbox friend invite spams to try and fill in the empty slot on your ship, etc.

Worst part to me is when they come on normal servers flaunting their fancy titles and achievements after. They show them off as if they had to work hard for it when it fact they had it the easy way, and for your average casual there is no way to tell the difference between cheesed meaningless title and a genuine one.

Pve servers/third party organized alliance servers are just as much of an exploit as double gun quick fire is. People go out of their way to exploit the system to get rid of PvP threat and maximize rep and profit. If you disagree you're being a hypocrite.

@icymethodman Yep this is exactly why Pirate Legend isn't to be feared anymore

A crew mate and I joined a sever and allied with one ship at the fort of the damned and found ourselves in a six ship alliance. We helped complete the fort three times, bringing ritual skulls and killing skellies. We took no loot from the fort as we don't the need gold, we just wanted the commendations. Finished the night making over 220000 gold. I don't see the problem. There is no cheating in this game. Its all there for players to use as they see fit. Personally I prefer community over isolation piracy.

@qu1etone I have no issue with it happening naturally, from your example you weren't using Discord to "organise" the alliance pre joining.

@Blam320 Using discord as a form of communication isn't the issue, it is the pre-organising and management of whole "server" not just crew that is the problem

@bugaboo-bill

Exploits will always be used, they will be patched and new ones will replace them. I don't think that it are bannable offenses, it is part of games and try-hards will always use anything they can to achieve their goals. Whether it is the acquisition of many spoils by taking over servers or by finding the most effective way to kill people.

It doesn't mean that Rare will not change the code to address these at some point and if you believe that streamers are to blame you are mistaken. Many players like to min/max and metas are always going to get established at some point, if knowledge is acquired and shared. Content creators are just the messengers not the source of these things.

Content creators like Pace22 and Summit are followed by many because they are skilled and use the best PvP meta tools to achieve their goals in providing entertainment. If you listen to what they say and would like changed in the game, it is usually not all that bad. They also want a balanced game where skill can shine and yes, they tend to like guns. It is natural to gravitate towards the aspects you excel at and want those options to stay in the game and be viable. Since Summit has a high level shooter game background it is logical to see him use guns. If I was that good at shooting, I would maybe also be tempted to use two guns.

I play differently, as I am more of an RPG player and I still agree with many of their comments on the games PvP balance and adjustments, though some of them seem to be a bit to focused on their expertise or style.

@snipercenturion

I will say that having a fully allied server is absolutely respectable if the players went out into the world and built that up through organic encounters by meeting the people who are already on the server (and not taking over their ships with their friends)... But I really don't think it's cool when there is a revolving door set up to go in and farm using alliances. It's not natural to the gameplay experience, and If they wanted us to be able to do that, then there'd be an option for it.

I mean, Private Servers will come but they will be used for Content Creation, not PvE farming and the devs even said that the farming doesn't really sit right with them anyway.

In the end though, if this were occurring frequently enough to divide the player base, then they should absolutely shut it down, but it's such a small number that it really isn't affecting gameplay outside of those small concentrations right now.

@dislex-fx I never actually joined the fleet(PvE Server in game) and dont intend too. There is no pirate honor in that.

@chronodusk Yeah, Idk. I just got invited to a handful of servers and was told what the "fleets" were like. I just kinda assumed their was alot of those PvE servers. These are big waitlists to get on and if you go rouge you get banned😂

@bugaboo-bill I'm not really sure server hopping is cheesing the system too much.

@triheadedmonkey Sorry for breaking "The Pirate Code". Thanks for the edit. I don't want to intentionally be disrespectful. I was venting last night writing the post.

@weedstar-deluxe No you are right nobody cares about the titles.

But please do not kid yourself if you think that it doesn't affect every other player.

By having the farming servers that's 6 ships taken out of "the real world" now most of those are going to avoid PvP.

Couple that with any new players who are then left with all the crews who might be PvP or PvE but are more than likely PvP which could end up turning them off the game

@weedstar-deluxe Wdym no one cares about titles? Titles, cosmetics and levels are the only progression in the game. If one has it easier than the other because he chose to go the cheesy exploit route, it devalues the legitimate ones.

Lot of casuals might not care for titles, but us "end game" Pirate legends do.

@niqsun said in PvE server garbage😂:

@BadassFro It seems like you know very little about this game, and since you are falsely making up statements from devs it might be a good time to stop typing and start minding your own business.

Can you please let me know what gives you that impression? I used a hypothetical, and I haven't made anything up:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaofthieves/comments/bbkgpx/joe_neate_on_pve_servers/

It was also mentioned on a Dev stream but I fail to remember exactly which one.

I find your reply quite hostile, since you seem to have something to defend, I am going to assume you use the PvE servers (I am sorry if I am wrong, but hopefully you can still answer my question) - therefore please can you tell me what does it bring to the game?

@niqsun

Umm... Sorry to burst your bubble, but @BadassFro is absolutely right. If this PvE farming thing were to actually be occurring in a large enough capacity, it could possibly divide the player base into PvE and PvP, which would destroy the game as we know it.

PvP focused players would only meet other PvP focused players, and one side of the player base would be full of empty ships battling it out with no loot, and the other side would be privately farming PvE. Sea of Thieves as we know it would be ruined.

At current, I personally do not believe that alliance farming is occurring in a great enough capacity to do this, but theoretically that danger is definitely there. Please think about these things instead of saying someone "knows nothing" about the game while also providing absolutely no substantiation for that statement.

@chronodusk
They are just hostile that the spot light is on them now, I think the OP needs a round of applause for bringing more attention to it.

I think it is worth finding out how many of these groups actually exist and parttake in these questionable tactics.

Nothing against starting a Group, and always having people ready to crew, but organising full servers is wrong and isn't in the spirit of the game.