The Kraken might need to tone it down a little...

  • My friend and I were on tonight and we diced to take on a ship battle in a sloop. We defeated 3 skelly slopes and 4 skelly gallons, only god knows how. I was continuously bailing for 45m, I KID YOU NOT!
    So we finished this battle after a solid hour of stealing supplies off the enemy ships, solid bailing, cannonballing, ramming etc. EXHAUSTED, but ECSTATIC!
    We were disappointed to get no deblooms for it, but we kept our eyes open for the treasure! ... Only to pick up the greatest loot we could have wished for; 4 stronghold chests and 5 stronghold skulls from the last ship!

    At this point the ship was still filled with holes and I was still bailing, all this time. We needed to get to land quick! We'd worked SO HARD, we had to see it through!

    But low and behold... as we approached the island to fix the ship and go onto sell the treasure... the kraken appears.
    Long story short, it rips the boat apart, I can't bail any faster... we're sunk.
    I desperately catch a look at the map grid square we were in... C3... we sail back... but the treasure was all gone.

    I don't like saying this... but I don't feel I want to play SoT for a while... feeling a bit robbed tbh.

    Would appreciate a toning-down of the Kraken... Thanks

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  • I'm sorry for the end of your adventure but i want you to know that i enjoyed much reading your story and even if it ended tragically now u've a great story ! With that said, imo the Kraken is great know, the only thing we didn't figure out how to deal with it's when the Kraken grab your ship at the stair deck's point cause u cannot bucket water out if u are downdeck cause the water hits the tentacle and fall back in the ship and u cannot go to help bailing and repair if you are upperdeck, that was basically sure death every time it happend. Any pirate did find out how to deal with that ?

  • @mr-bruca said in The Kraken might need to tone it down a little...:

    I'm sorry for the end of your adventure but i want you to know that i enjoyed much reading your story and even if it ended tragically now u've a great story ! With that said, imo the Kraken is great know, the only thing we didn't figure out how to deal with it's when the Kraken grab your ship at the stair deck's point cause u cannot bucket water out if u are downdeck cause the water hits the tentacle and fall back in the ship and u cannot go to help bailing and repair if you are upperdeck, that was basically sure death every time it happend. Any pirate did find out how to deal with that ?

    It's actually quite simple mate. When it wraps on any part of the ship the end of the tentacle wrapping you will pop up on either the left or right of the ship. It'll be very close and will growl at you, and also be conveniently within the arc of your cannon. Usually one or two cannon balls will make the tentacle retreat below the waves. At this point it'll either unwrap you or will the end will reappear and need to be shot again.

    I've mostly found it'll reappear two or three times before finally letting the ship go. As long as you're properly prepared (I always try to only fire 5 cannonballs before restocking to make sure I've always got ammo) you should find it'll let you go well before the ship sinks.

  • @the-official-lj That's an unfortunate ending your adventure mate. Though there are a few lessons you could take from this going forward.

    It looks like you had the fight pretty well managed - bailing water, using your ship as a ram are all good tactics.

    However, I would say prepare better before hand. Gather planks, lots and lots of planks before as you're likely to go through a lot with these battles and you'll always want spares in case you're caught by a monster on your way to an outpost.

    Also, get a rowboat. Might take a few visits to random islands but they spawn regularly enough so finding one shouldn't be an issue. If bad comes to worse and you're sunk, gather as much loot as you can in to the rowboat whilst your mate gets a new ship. It's like a second life for your loot!

    Hope this helps. Try not to be disheartened, this is just another story in your journey!

  • I may have espress myself unproperly but i just wanted to say that it' s particulary painful when the tentacle grabs the ship in a specific point, just over the stairs, closing the passage. It's only that specific circumstances that i find hard to deal with the dude

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    However, I would say prepare better before hand. Gather planks, lots and lots of planks before as you're likely to go through a lot with these battles and you'll always want spares in case you're caught by a monster on your way to an outpost.

    This is essentially the worst possible advice to give. Why? Because you can't prepare to fight the Kraken if all of your supplies are run out fighting the skellies and the Kraken appears before you can make shore. If he used most or all of his planks keeping the ship afloat during the skeleton ship battles, for which they sound like they were properly prepared for, and the Kraken attacks almost immediately after...how exactly do you prepare for that if you can't make shore?

    Personally, I've had more than my share of experiences with the Kraken appearing after a long fight, with both skeleton ships and the Megs. Frankly, it's enough to make me question just how "random" the Kraken encounters are and consider that Rare's programming is set to trigger a Kraken if you meet a certain mix of requirements (ie, length of battle, number of enemies, amount of supplies, etc).

  • @kiethblacklion Perhaps I hadn't explained properly. By preparing before hand I meant stocking up ahead of the skelly ship battle (not between the skelly ships and kraken) to ensure you have enough supplies to survive the fight, plus have spare supplies to continue sailing after. Given that OP said their ship was full of holes and they were constantly bailing after the fight, it's safe to assume they ran out of planks before the skelly ship battle ended - in my opinion, this equates to not being prepared enough.

    My point here is that too much is never enough. One should always be gathering supplies throughout their session, and stocking up before a skelly ship battle is even more important.

    We cannot predict when an emergent threat will hit us, all we can do is hoard as many resources as we can to better prepare ourselves for these eventualities.

  • @mr-bruca That's me as well except for one time it was crazy it was like the kraken was on crack, sucking 2 of us off the ship at the time and threw the hull.

  • @the-official-lj said in The Kraken might need to tone it down a little...:

    I was continuously bailing for 45m, I KID YOU NOT!

    Small point of contemption, this is saying you bailed for 45 meters.

    If I could I'd love to have all of your kraken spawns. It baffles me that everyone is getting kraken all over the place and it just won't attack my galleon :-( Still need to kill like 6 kraken.

  • 150 planks or more or don't try skelly fleet!

  • @luciansanchez82 said in The Kraken might need to tone it down a little...:

    @kiethblacklion Perhaps I hadn't explained properly. By preparing before hand I meant stocking up ahead of the skelly ship battle (not between the skelly ships and kraken) to ensure you have enough supplies to survive the fight, plus have spare supplies to continue sailing after. Given that OP said their ship was full of holes and they were constantly bailing after the fight, it's safe to assume they ran out of planks before the skelly ship battle ended - in my opinion, this equates to not being prepared enough.

    My point here is that too much is never enough. One should always be gathering supplies throughout their session, and stocking up before a skelly ship battle is even more important.

    We cannot predict when an emergent threat will hit us, all we can do is hoard as many resources as we can to better prepare ourselves for these eventualities.

    Whose to say he didn't have enough supplies to start off? According to the post, they took out 7 skeleton ships, during which they even stole supplies from the skeleton ships to keep the fight going. The post infers that all 7 were taken down in an hour. If the fight was that constant, it is likely they ran out of supplies even if they had all their barrels maxed out before the fight began. As far as we all know, they were prepared ahead of time to take out the ships, but eventually ran out of supplies despite their early preparedness. And then the Kraken appears; an encounter they couldn't get prepared for because it showed up after their supplies were diminished and their opportunity to restock was interrupted.

    My point is, the comments that I see across this forum informing crew to be better prepared are pointless, because it doesn't actually do anything to help. In my eyes "be better prepared" is on par with "git gud". It's useless and does nothing to advise the player on being better.

    However, offering actual tactical advice on how to fight the skeletons more efficiently so that their supplies aren't drained completely would be more beneficial.

    Of course, with the increased number of threats roaming the seas (skeleton ships, more Megs, and the Kraken), an increase in the max number of supplies that the ships can carry would have been a sound decision by Rare.

    @The-Official-LJ

    Personally, I like luring the skeleton ships into rocks or nearby islands. My crew and I caught a skeleton ship between an island and some rocks one night. We pulled in behind it, opened fire and it couldn't go anywhere.

    Make more tactical use of the special cannonballs, especially the ballast balls. I sank a skeleton galleon one night by myself because I used a ballast ball after punching a few holes in the ship's upper hull.

    If possible, get in front of the skeleton ship and keep if from aiming its side cannons at you so you can have some time to repair.

    My crew and I split up our duties when fighting the skeletons. One repairs, one bails, One shoots the cannons and I steer (and fight the skellies if need be). With a two man sloop, if you can repair and can afford to, one of you can put all of your inventory in the barrels, go over to the enemy ship, grab supplies then die. Respawn, use the supplies, rinse and repeat.

    Perhaps use a brig or a galleon next time. Two players can run a galleon, and you don't have to worry about repairing the holes in the upper hold unless the water is up to that level.

    If you can get more efficient at taking out the skeleton ships so that you don't take as much damage from them, you can stretch out your supplies so that you aren't completely empty by the time the fight is over.

  • @kiethblacklion You're absolutely right, better tactics will help overcome the fight with the use of less resources. Apologies if I came across as essentially saying get good, that wasn't my intent, though I think my point does still stand that you need to supply yourself properly, as part of your over all approach to these fights.

    Some good tactics you mention there too. My ship mate and I adopt similar ones for these fights.

    You mention the number of supplies that can be carried. It's worth noting that each barrel can hold almost 1200 items. I'd like to think that's plenty for any crew.

    It's not quite so relevant but I did write a quick guide on how I tackle single skelly ships here https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/76802/skelly-ships-solo-players-need-not-fear-them/2 perhaps OP might find those useful as well.

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