To people who do server takeover fleets/farm dead servers...

@txcrnr to be honest ive been contemplating doing this but for a pvp server where everyone just goes at it in a designated area just havent gotten around to it yet. im not really against people doing it to farm without conflict but for me it was more fun hitting pirate legend when alliances didnt exist and you had to worry thats just me. And for people who care about the gold u will make more then enough anyway but to each there own . i can understand not wanting no threats.

@txcrnr there's two primary differences

1. Rare is putting no effort or ongoing resources into the current player created alliance servers.

2. It takes a prohibitive amount of player effort to make this happen.

PVE servers would take resources from Rare and presumably allow a player to hit a single button to load up into a world alone/ a safe world. It's a perfectly reasonable position to be against rare supporting PvE servers but ok with players using the tools available to play how they want.

I'm guessing your talking about The Grind Team discord server specifically with your rant here. Which, basically only exists because of the absurd amount of effort put into it by Gory, and a handful of other people. And even so, it's rarely even a full 6 ships on the server. The other discord groups that I know of, do it on more limited basis.

All that being said, I am for changing how alliances work a bit, to make the whole dynamic more interesting.

@Dekeita Dekeita is right on this, it is not easy to set up, but this is not the same in Rare's eyes.
I can see the similarity in risk between PVE and a nearly fully alliance controlled server.

But I also feel that this is very akin to the first pirate legend. These people grinding in full server are not having to face the same circumstances others must on the same "grind".
I feel this is contrary to the vision the developers had for SoT, removing one aspect of danger they purposefully put in the game. But people will always look for ways to cheese.
You see the golden animal stacking threads, the server hoppers for forts, etc.

One thing that @Kat-Truewalkerr said that stood out to me is:
"A lot of PC players use discord servers for communication, either as well as or instead of game chat and a lot of the fleets have their own discord servers, this isn't a form of cheating."
Cheating? No. But Good? No.
As I see it, when they do this, they are clearly obtaining an advantage over console players that cannot have both ingame and private chat on their system.

In game proximity chat is amazing for many reasons, and having so many in party chat and discord ignoring game chat just guts interaction in the game.
But so do people who don't use mics, so /shrug.

@txcrnr I’ve just seen this post, as it was linked by @Straw-Hat-Blake in another thread.

But this is one of the very few times I don’t actually know what to think or say. (Which for me not having a word to say is a massive rarity lol)

But the points you make about basically making a PvE server which goes against the spirit of the game I can’t argue against. Your right, on paper a PvE server does basically go against the game in its current iteration.

Yet @KattTruewalker also makes good points about using the tools available which is also a pretty pirate thing to do aswell if you think about it. Manipulating the devices you have to give yourself an advantage is not only clever but in SoT is pirate like imo.

And another contradiction for me is the Fleet events. The majority of people are against PvE servers. And im not sure where I stand on this whole debacle I feel I kind of lean to the side of no PvE at all.
But then I think of all the great fleet events by the pirate council and how they wouldn’t be possible without those methods.

I’ll be honest I’m just rambling, I don’t have any answers but this is a topic that has really got me intrigued and I honestly don’t know what to think about it.

Very intersting indeed, it’s not very often I don’t have an opinion and I don’t like it! Lol