We need a way to avoid toxic players.
Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships
@chronodusk disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@targasbr Define toxic please.
Players who enter on your crew just to explode your ship with powder kegs, throw your booty on the sea, kill your alliance members, make your ship (purposely) hit an island or a rock. And, when you jail him, still on the crew winning your coins and occupying space that could be occupied by another player. And other things.
@x-n7-117-x disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
If you have some bad eggs in an alliance you can always leave yourself by disbanding the alliance.
I do that, but i think another way could help. Sometimes we spent all day finding a good alliance.
@targasbr Yes, griefing your own crew is a big no-no, and actually goes against the Sea of Thieves Pirate Code.
Betrayal of an alliance, even if only one member of the crew wants to do it, is fine. There shouldn't be a penalty for that.
@chronodusk disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
Betrayal of an alliance, even if only one member of the crew wants to do it, is fine. There shouldn't be a penalty for that.
This is a pirate game, i think this is part of the "lore", but maybe vote to kick someone out of the alliance could be a good way to solve this.
@targasbr Yeah, I do believe there should be work done to have control over the alliance, but they would definitely need to consider the possibility of such an option being abused.
The only workaround I can think of right now would be to disband the alliance and start it again without the other crew you don't want. Once it is newly formed, take down the offer alliance flag and the alliance will be closed to new additions unless another crew in the alliance keeps the offer flag up.
The way to kick someone out of an alliance is to sink them and then remake the alliance. Or just sail away from them and remake it. It would be nice to have a more straightforward way to do it, but since there are currently ways to accomplish it, it's not a very urgent issue. Additionally, there should never be a penalty for betraying an alliance. That's part of the freedom of the game and means crews ALWAYS need to be on their toes, even when in an alliance
As far as dealing with individual players on a crew, a better system is needed. Like @TargasBR said, players who are brigged still earn gold and rep, while also still taking up a crew slot and disadvantaging the whole crew. I think brigged players should not earn any gold/rep and should only stay in the brig until a replacement player joins the crew, at which point the brigged player is kicked.
You should be able to have a way to vote a ship out of the alliance. This will be easier when we have some sort of Captaincy update with the ability to name our ships.
Possible solution:You could go to the voyage table and there would be an alliance space where you can throw a knife into a ship model much like canceling a voyage. Each other ship would need a majority vote to kick the ship rather than have to disband and start again. As this is tough when you have allies on other sides of the map.
@targasbr I’m tired of seeing people like you in the forums. Pirating is not against the rules. It’s called sea of THIEVES for a reason. Moderators really need to start telling people that
@danklizard202 said in Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@targasbr I’m tired of seeing people like you in the forums. Pirating is not against the rules. It’s called sea of THIEVES for a reason. Moderators really need to start telling people that
I think he's looking for a way to remove one ship from an alliance rather than disbanding and restarting like is needed now. It's a mechanic that makes a lot of sense. There's still lots of room for betrayal.
He's not talking about avoiding toxic players all the time. That is inevitable and just part of any online game.
@m1sterpunch he says he wants to kick normal pirates from the alliance. Pirating is not breaking the rules. To be honest people who say pirating or betrayal is against the rules are the toxic ones
Well you can tell if people are going to betray you, betray them first. Sink their ship and hurry because they are coming for you. We had to sunk a galleon because they were really sneaky and silence, turns out they were going to betray us, so we did it first, then we didnt disband the alliance so we can keep track of them, then we disbanded to cash the chests lol
I think if they kept griefing you as you pointed out then you have grounds to report them to Rare. I dunno what would happen or what you would need for that. If someone was that much of a problem then you can just sit there with them in the brig. At some point, they will probably leave the game. If they don't then you have already won (because they have such low self-esteem to ruin someone's game like that).
Per your idea, I wouldn't mind a voting system to kick from the ship.
@danklizard202 disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@targasbr I’m tired of seeing people like you in the forums. Pirating is not against the rules. It’s called sea of THIEVES for a reason. Moderators really need to start telling people that
I think you need to review what you know about piracy. There is a huge difference between acting as a pirate and being toxic. I can point out good books that might change your mind about pirates, but this is not the point. From now on I'll be quoting the golden age of piracy, back then it was common to see physical punishments like Cat O'Nine Tails, Keelhauling, and others. Of course, this is not the focus of the game. The crew voted on everything, who enters, who leaves, they also voted for the captain, who changed very often. A voting system where the crew member can be “punished” or even banned from an alliance or crew is not only part of the theme proposed by the game, as shown necessary. If it is not a proposal, prove me wrong or give positive feedback, better not say anything,
Back to the proposal of this post. This option could be abused like @Chronodusk said? Yes, but i created this topic to discuss this option. I think we all love this game, and discuss this option finding a solution that pleases everyone is the right thing to do.
I do not know what this captaincy system will look like, but it can solve the problems I quoted.
So, like @m1sterpunch said, the real problem is the ship in the alliance. The toxic player can see us on the map, and this is an advantage to him. But this is just part of the problem. We don't need a way to avoid toxic players, but a way to kick them from our alliance or ship.
Betraying is part of the lore, this is the "pirate way", it's part of the game. But being a [CENSURED] no.
@chronodusk mate their just guidelines anyways I'm not a troll but I just can't resist a pirates of the Caribbean quote
@targasbr In you previous comments you said you want to kick people who blow up your ship. That is what pirates do. Also rare stated themselves that Sea of Thieves is not based in the age of piracy it is based in its own world in its own time. What you referred to in your comment is meaningless in Sea of Thieves. There is no such thing as trolls in this game (except for the ones who troll their own crew) there is only pirates.
@danklizard202 disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
Also rare stated themselves that Sea of Thieves is not based in the age of piracy it is based in its own world in its own time.
Where?
@targasbr go to “code of conduct” the first tab at the home page of the forum. Once you have entered it go to the second tab “forum rules” then scroll until you find something like “unacceptable piracy topics” read the description of that
The people who are criticizing the OP for wanting to penalize people for pirating clearly didn't understand the original post or they just didn't read it. No where in this post did anyone suggest anything about penalizing people for doing piratey things like stealing or blowing up a ship. The OP just said he wanted a way to kick ships out of an alliance, and I think this is a much needed mechanic, if done through a voting system. It's not unreasonable to want to kick someone out of an alliance if they are betraying you. What is the issue here?
@danklizard202 said in Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@m1sterpunch he says he wants to kick normal pirates from the alliance. Pirating is not breaking the rules. To be honest people who say pirating or betrayal is against the rules are the toxic ones
I think you are missing the point of this. Who ever said that pirating or betrayal is against the rules? You are acting as though being booted from an alliance is somehow unfair or a penalty. Take this scenario for instance:
You are in an alliance with three other ships. You turn in all of your loot at the end of your session and decide you are going to betray one of the other ships. You sink them. They have no loot on board. After the crew you just sank informs the other alliance members, you get a notification saying you've been booted from the alliance. You made a conscious decision to betray, and a majority of the alliance didn't like it. They wanted you out so you couldn't see them on the map anymore, because obviously you are a threat, not a friend.
That is karma, not penalization.
@targasbr said in Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@chronodusk disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@targasbr Define toxic please.
Players who enter on your crew just to explode your ship with powder kegs, throw your booty on the sea, kill your alliance members, make your ship (purposely) hit an island or a rock. And, when you jail him, still on the crew winning your coins and occupying space that could be occupied by another player. And other things.
@danklizard202 disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@targasbr said in Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@chronodusk disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
@targasbr Define toxic please.
Players who enter on your crew just to explode your ship with powder kegs, throw your booty on the sea, kill your alliance members, make your ship (purposely) hit an island or a rock. And, when you jail him, still on the crew winning your coins and occupying space that could be occupied by another player. And other things.
Again. Being a toxic player is different from being a pirate.
Betrayal is part of the lore, entering a match only to disrupt others play and not receive any punishment, or betray the alliance and refuse to leave it, with no chance of being kicked, forcing other players to take action that can often be delayed only for get you out of the alliance while you mess up their game and use the fact that you can find the players on the map so this is at least a problem.
@targasbr well what you mentioned in the post I highlighted is what we call “pirating” it is not against the rules to disrupt other players in a alliance. Rare intended for for all this to happen. Why do you think they put gunpowder barrels in the game? To trade in to the merchant alliance yes but also to cause havoc. Punishment like cleaning the top of the ship is wrong. If you blow up someone’s ship how is it fair that they force you to clean the deck? Blowing up ships and trolling is one of the things this game was made for...
Also the situation with the alliance can already be solved. Just leave the alliance or disband it. It’s pretty simple. The only thing I agree with you about is the kicking from the alliance
@danklizard202 disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
The only thing I agree with you about is the kicking from the alliance
Read the name of the post: Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships
Disband an alliance with 4 ships to make another one because only one guy is being toxic doesn't make any sense. It take time to find the alliance members, avoid the toxic player, and make another alliance. Time we don't have, time we can use with something really useful. The way it is now goes against logic. A guy locked in the jail but still earning our gold goes against the logic too.
By the way, discussing this with you is a waste of time. You do not show solutions or reasons why this is not implemented, just show examples that clearly have nothing to do with the proposal.
By the way, discussing this with you is a waste of time. You do not show solutions or reasons why this is not implemented, just show examples that clearly have nothing to do with the proposal.
Let me finish this. You formed the alliance and you should be aware of the precautions. The precaution is that someone could join your alliance just to find you and blow your ship up. The topic you came up with makes no sense. Rare never intended alliances to be a group of pirates sharing their treasure and being friends. The alliance feature was intended to have trolls involved. More to the point as I said there will never be the feature of “kicking someone”. Alliances are just an example of why you SHOULDNT TRUST PIRATES.
I'll have a prediction: if this gets implemented, on day one there will be pirates who just join an alliance to get it to break up and five minutes later there will be a string of posts on this forum how people are kicked out of an alliance for no reason at all (and probably just after they turned their loot in) :).
If you're not happy with the alliance you're in: leave and start a new one.
It saves a lot of time getting the crew of other ships to vote another one out and why should they care the 'toxic player' sank you or stole your skulls as long as they get their share...Alliances of more than two are a risk anyway (if the are not acting as a fleet), you don't know which ship is turning in loot and which one is sitting on theirs until they are ready to quit the game as they leave the alliance and turn in their loot.
@dragonballz3050 It's not that simple to just "tell" if somebody is going to betray you. Yeah some people are bad liars or act sketchy and then it's obvious (especially if they are silent the whole time), but it's pretty naive to assume you'll always be able to tell. Some people are clever and will trick you, especially if they communicate in voice chat to gain your trust. It's not so simple as "Well you can tell if people are going to betray you", some people are good at deception and others are transparent.
I know this because I'm very good at tricking other players, and even the best pirates can be fooled, everyone is a human being behind a keyboard and there isn't a human out there who always knows when they are being lied to. Best to just not trust other players, it is a pirate game after all.
@danklizard202 disse em Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
The alliance feature was intended to have trolls involved. More to the point as I said there will never be the feature of “kicking someone”. Alliances are just an example of why you SHOULDNT TRUST PIRATES.
Again. The problem is not the pirate's way like betray. This is part of the game!
The problems is being toxic, is disrupt others the game with no reason. Rare clearly disagree clearly disagrees with the attitude of toxic players. It makes more sense to remove the rotten fruit from the fruit bowl than to remove all the other fruits and leave only the rotten fruit there.@m1sterpunch said in Kick someone from an Alliance or from our Ships:
You should be able to have a way to vote a ship out of the alliance. This will be easier when we have some sort of Captaincy update with the ability to name our ships.
Possible solution:You could go to the voyage table and there would be an alliance space where you can throw a knife into a ship model much like canceling a voyage. Each other ship would need a majority vote to kick the ship rather than have to disband and start again. As this is tough when you have allies on other sides of the map.
Best solution is just remake the alliance.
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