Remove the item scroll all together please.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    I think the game would improve greatly if you removed the annoying item scroll when you turn in items. It is really annoying when you are in an alliance and they turn in a bunch of loot.

    You could be fighting the Meg or the Kraken and having this intense moment then all the sudden sound gets silent a little (shanties cant be heard) and you hear the item turn in and you see the item scroll. Sometimes you get so many items that it takes a while for certain events to be caught up to real-time (like you just approached an island).

    Its annoying and I think the game stability can do without it. Maybe add a ledger for each game session that can keep track of turn ins without the annoying sounds and spectacle that pops up.

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  • Mith Bosevem
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    Yeah we do not need a splash screen slowly popping up every 20 seconds for each foul skull we sell! Its really obnoxious we just want to know that it sold and how much gold it got us.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @lord-szarvas I love the sound of booty being cashed in! Cha-ching! No, please don't remove the scroll completely. But an option to turn it off would be fine. Options are good.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @genuine-heather

    Are you talking about the top right cash in with money being added to your pool? That's not what I am talking about.

    I'm talking about the bottom middle of the screen that plays a jingle and shows what item was sold. It is annoying and I think it actually hurts the game stability because it has to do that to every player in the crew and the alliance. Why do you want to keep this? I have no idea. You can't even play a shanty with that popping up on your screen. It can actually be hard to get to the legend area because you can't even hear if you're playing the tune to get down.

  • WeakDexx
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    @lord-szarvas

    2 questions.

    1. When u open the door this happens like 100% of the time? Or happend just once and u thought annoying and ask to change it?

    2. Turning it off makes it so u dont see what loot is sold. Thats cool for u maybe. I like to see what my alliance had been doing.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @weakdexx said in Remove the item scroll all together please.:

    @lord-szarvas

    2 questions.

    1. When u open the door this happens like 100% of the time? Or happend just once and u thought annoying and ask to change it?

    2. Turning it off makes it so u dont see what loot is sold. Thats cool for u maybe. I like to see what my alliance had been doing.

    1. This has happened sometimes since they added alliances. Not everytime that I try to get down that someone is turning in. But sometimes we play shanties on our ships and we can't hear anything for a while until all the items got their screen time.

    2. That's why on my original post I suggested that they add a ledger for the whole session. Items that you sell don't have an alliance flag. Items that your alliance sells have the flag. This way you can keep track of your progress with a total number of earnings at the bottom (not that anyone may really care).

    Sometimes you can be approaching an island and your island scroll won't appear until all the items are done. Sometimes you could be in the heat of a battle with anything (ships, Meg,Kraken) and get an annoying jingle and scroll (so it breaks immersion in a sense). Its not just about the shanties.

    Edit:
    And I'm pretty sure a good way to find statues is to listen to the siren. Imagine searching the water and having an annoying jingle pop up every minute because of some item being turned in.

  • WeakDexx
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    @lord-szarvas

    1. Aye
    2. Yeah that would probably work. scroll can be down. i can still see what loot was sold.

    About the island load. Im not sure thats solely because of loot scroll. Sometimes it just pops really late. I dont sail often in alliances because we take the loot and the alliance dont like that and then leave alliance.
    I have islands sometimes load in right before im about to crash into the island. Other times it loads in like 1 minute before i even get close to the island. Im not often in alliance so i doubt it solely is because of loot scroll.

    There is an other pointer u mentioned and that is true (at least was true) The scrolls are send out to all and this CAN lag server. When people quick sell BIG hauls it tends to cloth the messaging system and create lag. This WAS a known issue, i dont know if they fixxed this.

    So all together an option for showing scrolls: Yes
    Ledger to check in: Yes

  • Genuine Heather
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    @lord-szarvas Yes, I know exactly what you’re talking about, and yes, I like it and want to keep it. I mentioned making it an option to turn them off. That way you can play your way and I can play mine. What’s wrong with that?

  • IamKATMAN4
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    @genuine-heather I like the idea of being able to turn them off. I like knowing when my alliance turns loot in, that way I know that it is a two sided alliance and not all one sided.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @genuine-heather

    What's wrong is already explained. I think it taxes the server code because it causes queues to be made. If it doesn't then I'm not opposed to an option to turn it off. You're weird for liking it though. Lol.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @lord-szarvas said in Remove the item scroll all together please.:

    @genuine-heather

    What's wrong is already explained. I think it taxes the server code because it causes queues to be made. If it doesn't then I'm not opposed to an option to turn it off. You're weird for liking it though. Lol.

    If it "taxes the server code" they'd have already fixed that by now. Trust me, they know better than you what's "taxing" the system and how to fix it. In all honesty I think that's a rather silly justification for a change you personally want. I'm all for giving you the option to turn off the pop-ups. I'm on your side, so I don't understand why you insist upon arguing with me about it. I like the messages. I like seeing what's sold and hearing the little ditty play. It gives me a sense of satisfaction seeing all that loot cashed in. You call it weird, I call it enjoying the game. But if you think it should be turned off across the board, without an option to leave it on...I say absolutely not. Never gonna happen.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @genuine-heather

    1. Ok well, I'm not really arguing with you about it. I answered your question about "whats wrong with that". But if you want to look at it that way then that's your problem.

    2, I'm not an expert on game development or server-related code. But from experience, the game lags when alliance members turn items in. Sometimes it is because it is a lot of items being turned in. And its not just my opinion, its from members of 2 different fleets that we have talked about this.

    Rare has needed time to make improvements. There are still bugs out there.

    1. This is a feedback thread. So if you don't like the idea that's fine. If you like the messages that's fine too. It is weird in my opinion because they have tunes when you fight certain things like the Meg or the Kraken. People find it annoying when a cash-in jingle pops up. Sorry for thinking that people might be annoyed too.
  • Genuine Heather
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    @lord-szarvas You're being needlessly pugnacious considering I was on your side all along. Some people really don't know how to pick their battles. You continue to dismiss and belittle my opinion, even after I've come out in support for yours, because apparently you can't accept that some people like the little pop-up and sound effect.

    By the way, I never said nor implied there was no room for improvement. The ducking effect that interrupts music could surely be improved without removing the entire feature. But it's absurd to claim it's "taxing the server" or whatnot just to support your argument. And you're just shooting yourself in the foot when you accuse people who don't share your viewpoint of being "weird."

    Well, kiss off. I withdraw my support. The item scroll is staying. I hope it continues to annoy you mightily.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @genuine-heather

    Ok that's fine. Then Id recommends you stop commenting on peoples feedback threads cause we're entitled to our experiences on how we view the game. If you can't handle that or that somehow offends you then leave the internet because obviously, you can't handle criticism or any rational thought.

    Think about it. My feedback relies on the item scroll. The same system is most likely tied into the Island scroll (each time we sail to the island it shows us). Proof of this is the delay in response if a lot of items are being turned in. You can approach and leave an island and get that delayed. (So this breaks immersion). I don't want the entire system to be canned. But something needs to be done about that (which is the point of my thread).

    You continue to narrow my justification on one point. Which is probably one of my weaker ones because I cannot prove if it actually does tax the server. Everytime our fleet turns in items we are told not to turn in too many at once because it lags the server. In any case, it's not my only point so I don't know why you want to narrowly view that.

    I already agreed with you about your viewpoint but now you think that you've somehow won or something. Wow, you sure showed me. You withdrew your support and hope my game experience is negative. I only called you weird for liking a system that apparently can be annoying (which wasn't my own opinion to begin with).

  • Genuine Heather
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    @lord-szarvas said in Remove the item scroll all together please.:

    @genuine-heather

    Ok that's fine. Then Id recommends you stop commenting on peoples feedback threads cause we're entitled to our experiences on how we view the game. If you can't handle that or that somehow offends you then leave the internet because obviously, you can't handle criticism or any rational thought.

    More insults. How droll. It occurs to me that you're the one who can't handle criticism or rational thought, considering I added my opinion to the thread and you've done nothing but trash it, even though I was supporting what you wanted. Apparently it's beyond your limited capacity to comprehend how someone could have a differing viewpoint yet still accept and support yours. Maybe it's a maturity problem, I don't know. Either way, you're clearly unworthy of my time. Enjoy the scroll.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @genuine-heather

    Mhm. Whatever.

    I agreed with your opinion (if it doesn't tax the server code). But apparently, you misread what I have already agreed with you on. Because you don't know as much as I don't know either. You haven't really stated a point. I already agreed with your analysis that I don't know what I'm talking about it taxing the system because I don't really know. All I can give feedback on is my experiences and what members of 2 different fleets have been saying too. So, take it or leave it.

    You come here and bash for no reason, really. It's my thread. How am I immature for trying to have some reason and a discussion? I only called you weird for liking the current state of the game because you made a one-liner which implied that you like it how it is. Which means you like having that pop-up and sounds in the midst of doing other things.

    But you couldn't handle being called weird. Wow.

    You talk about maturity like you have some. Your second last line talks about I'm not worthy of your time (which doesn't really matter anyway) yet you continue to write here. I don't get it...

  • Murkrage
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    @lord-szarvas said in Remove the item scroll all together please.:

    @genuine-heather

    What's wrong is already explained. I think it taxes the server code because it causes queues to be made. If it doesn't then I'm not opposed to an option to turn it off. You're weird for liking it though. Lol.

    I don't think it causes queues to be made server side. The actual turn-in is happening server side, but the message is all happening on your client. We had issues with turning in loot during launch. It could sometimes take ages for loot to actually start showing up (with that I mean gold, top right).

    Turning in loot was then fixed and everything ran smoothly.

    So how can we be sure the scrolls aren't linked to queues on the server? Well, the scrolls have a massive delay once you start turning in item after item. The gold on your top right will flow in steadily right as you turn in the items, but the scrolls will pop up much later. This is because the message, animation, jingle and everything related to it happens on your system. How fast your system is able to compute the list will impact the amount of time it takes to go through it.

    For example:
    My girlfriend and I play with two friends of ours on a Galleon. Once we start turning in loot at the end of our session, my system will gradually start to get ahead of her scrolls while the gold is in sync. It takes time for your system to load up the proper scroll, message, visuals and sounds. It puts it together and renders it out. Again, this is all happening client side.

    So yes, an option to turn it off would help you.

    I like your idea of having a ledger :)

  • AmbiguousMonk
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    @lord-szarvas I've thought for a while that the best way to change the item scroll is to give each crew a session-based ledger of all the loot they've turned in that session. It could be a tab in the menu or a public interactive object of their ship. There's a lot of ways to accomplish this. There could even be a tiny little icon notification when something is added to it. I love the cash in sounds, but the actual item scroll popups are just bothersome most of the time. The noise for the popup is a little too much and the popup itself takes up way too much space. If you ask me, best to consolidate that information all in one place.

    Plus: who doesn't love having detailed information about all the booty you've scored lately?

    @Genuine-Heather I agree that options are always good. The easiest solution is definitely just putting a toggle option like you said. I'd be 100% fine with that, although I like my ledger idea too. They're not incompatible either though, so who knows

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @murkrage

    Ok. Maybe it doesn't.
    You stated that there was a problem with this system at launch and was fixed.
    I'm saying since they added alliances, if the alliances get big enough then I notice some difference when my friends and I are out on a Galleon doing things while other boats are turning in lots of loot.

    I wouldn't suspect that it has anything to do with the gold in the top right because its just adding number values to a pool. Some updates ago we have had problems with gold not showing up. It would cycle the loot but the player's pool would remain static (though a simple restart would fix this).

    What I suspect is the server grabs information from an item being sold and it has to ping information to all alliance members on that server to tell the client to show this or that. To me, that taxes the server code because what the server could be doing (processing the storm across all servers to where forts are to the Kraken/meg spawn events to the pathfinding of skeleton ships) may cause some slowdown. Which is why our alliances always recommend not to spam loot turn-ins.

    Again, I'm not opposed to an option if it doesn't lag the servers. That's all.
    If someone likes it and wants to keep the option that's fine. But it's not really cool if it lags the server just so you can have a jingle.

  • Lord Spark 0
    Castaway

    @ambiguousmonk

    I agree with everything you have written. I didn't even think about an object to physically pick-up which would be soo immersive and nice to have. What I had in mind was just another tab screen alongside (Reputation, Equipment... etc).

  • Murkrage
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    Boatswain
    Founder

    @lord-szarvas I understand what you are saying, but you have to keep in mind that all of those things aren't handled by the same server instance. The storms, the kraken, the meg, the forts, the volcanoes, everything is handled by a different instance (altho the threats are handled by the same which is why forts were disabled for a little while).

    If I remember correctly, the loot handling is done by a different entity altogether. This was done specifically because of the amount of messages that have to be send back and forth, which happen in sync (as opposed to async). They are, by their very nature, server blocking and I believe they chose to let them be handled by a different entity / server because of that.

    The gold you see on the top right is the message already returning from the server. That's it, there's nothing more to it. Once you see the gold pop up in the top right, your loot has made it's way to the server and the server has responded. The scroll has nothing to do with that :)

  • MarsMayflower
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    The graphic that pops up could definitely be smaller and maybe pop up in the corner instead.

  • AmbiguousMonk
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    @lord-szarvas I didn't necessarily mean a movable object, just like a object attached to the ship to open/interact with, but the item idea could totally be done too. It's probably a little unnecessarily complicated that way though

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