So with official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox in the near future. I really hope this will be something Rare will open up for Sea of Thieves players on Xbox. First of it's a nice option to have. And secondly it will help those who feel they are at a to big disadvantage against PC players.
Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox
Except it wont because nobody buys console to play with a m and keyboard, they dont come with console, and this post is basically baiting. Pretty sure ive seen you discuss this on other threads so theres no reason to act like this would fix the control scheme balance issue.
This is like saying that f1 race cars have been introduced to the soap box derby so that should even things out. People will still want a fair race without the addition. Just like most casual gamers dont want to be forced into using a m and keyboard because pc players are being forced into their servers.
@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
Except it wont because nobody buys console to play with a m and keyboard, they dont come with console, and this post is basically baiting. Pretty sure ive seen you discuss this on other threads so theres no reason to act like this would fix the control scheme balance issue.
This is like saying that f1 race cars have been introduced to the soap box derby so that should even things out. People will still want a fair race without the addition. Just like most casual gamers dont want to be forced into using a m and keyboard because pc players are being forced into their servers.
No modern console have ever had the level of mouse & keyboard support that Xbox now will open up for. It will still be up to developers on how and if they want to support it. So to say "nobody buys console to play with a mouse and keyboard" is only your opinion based on nothing else but that. An opinion.
I have strong opinions about cross play in Sea of Thieves yes. But this could even the playing field for those who would want to use a mouse & keyboard. There are many benefits playing with that kind of setup in some games.
Sea of Thieves being a cross play game with PC players is one of these games that would strongly benefits from having support for this.
@binaryplayerone right, so your assumption that it would fix this issue is just as much an opinion, im not disputing that.
Consoles have always been there to fill a specific need. Gaming. Pc always existed and players did have the choice between control schemes by choosing which to play on, and based on that, the fact is most games are played on consoles, a choice consumers made.
If they also add server differentiation based on input device then sure this could be a fix because players on either console or pc could play with their preferred input device within a fair playing ground. From this perspectice you are right that it is a step in the right direction, this has to be a mandatory option to have if games are to be competitive. Microsoft should do more than suggest this and should require their games to do this if they are moving forward with this change, unless they want to lose a lot of sales to sony on the next console/right now after people realize they are losing to m and kb all day long in any fps or competitive game that requires aiming, with their controller because of this.
@a-cranky-eskimo To be honest most people buy console because they can not afford a good pc..so maybe if people had the option to play with just a mouse and keyboard on the console..they would..I mean lets be honest..if everyone has thousands of dollars to throw away who would buy a console over a pc?
@averageheroz the majority of casual gamers, which is the majority of gamers...
Most people buy pcs for multiple reasons, most people buy consoles for a specific reason, and we are just giving opinions but im pretty sure most people that play video games would rather buy a console and plug it in and upgrade it a few years later than have to deal with all the other things a pc bring to the table like graphics cards and the fact that not all pc games are designed for the same hardware like console games are.
@binaryplayerone
I do not think it's used much or maybe it's because I play better with control, but I think it's just something that happens to me, even in the Shooters I use the sensitivity of control to the maximum. with the mouse, that does not work for me and I'm a bit clumsy looking slowly, I can not make 180 ° turns to kill or anything crazy on the PC, but I understand that the vast majority do better with keyboard and mause, or maybe It's just a belief that we all have, and if they kill you we use the logical excuse, like, they probably killed me because they play on PC, when really that may be a myth.
Anyway, I think it's a good idea to add that compatibility.@a-cranky-eskimo I still don't believe that..because I am a casual gamer and before I got a pc all I ever wanted to own was a great pc to game on..you can be a casual gamer and own a pc..
@averageheroz one person dosnt make a majority though, and sure most people would like nice expensive things such as a pc, most people cant get them, so they are just supposed to accept that gaming is for pc owners now and just throw their controllers away?? The pc side of this issue is in such a large amount of denial its ridiculous. Even if i had a pc that could play any game i would still play with a controller on a console for games other than mmo or strategy or card games, and im pretty sure thats how most console gamers feel.
@a-cranky-eskimo Just like you said one person doesn't make majority..and honestly even though you would still play on your controller I know every friend I have on xbox would drop their controller in a heart beat for a keyboard and mouse..
You can easily put together a competent PC with an XBox controller for around the same price as a console that will hook up to your TV. In fact, you'd probably save money by not subscribing to XBox Live ever again.
Its not as complicated as it used to be, people are just familiar with the ecosystems they are locked into.
@a-cranky-eskimo I sit on my couch with my mouse and keyboard..did you think this was not a thing? LOL and sometimes when I am in the hardcore gaming mood..I sit in a chair! it is crazy I know.. :P
It's about OPTIONS. And it will open up for other type of games finding it's way to the plattform. But that's a discussion for another post.
Sea of Thieves is a cross platform competitive game where PC players can use a mouse & keyboard. What one might think others would or would not do or is irrelevant.
It's an option that would be fair to have in this game on Xbox.
@averageheroz said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@binaryplayerone Stay out of this!! lol jk :P luv u
But but.....ah ok. I'm off to bed anyways :P
Whatever guys... im not stuck in anything except the opinion im entitled to and that most console owners would agree with if they cared enough to make a stake in the argument.
Also, i understand the couch comment isnt really valid, but you know what i mean when i say that. I dont want to be that guy from southpark, i already know how to use controllers well and like the pacing of gameplay Better when not played with m and kb in almost any game ever.
These opinions dont exist because im trapped in anything and if you think console gamers are going to have some great epiphany when and if this is forced into console gaming your in for a rude awakening i assure you.
@a-cranky-eskimo because you know most console gamers and what they want. the millions of players...do you realize how dumb this sounds..
@binaryplayerone said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
It's about OPTIONS. And it will open up for other type of games finding it's way to the plattform. But that's a discussion for another post.
Sea of Thieves is a cross platform competitive game where PC players can use a mouse & keyboard. What one might think others would or would not do or is irrelevant.
It might be irrelevant to you as the person who already uses the superior controls, it wont be to a lot of other people, and this is relevant to their business model and will affect sales. If bfV did forced crossplay without control scheme differentiation there would be a bigger uproar than there was about the cyborg lady and every british sniper being an asian woman. And similar to that topic people will just write off complaints like people are just being sexist, or separatists in this case of control scheme.
I understand that for you guys its as simple as saying that like my metaphor above “whats the problem now everyone has race cars instead of soap box cars” but its not that easy.
It's an option that would be fair to have in this game on Xbox.
I agree, if done right so that fairness also extends to those who prefer controllers, by having server differentiation based on input device. Its pretty simple.
@enticed-malice said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@a-cranky-eskimo because you know most console gamers and what they want. the millions of players...do you realize how dumb this sounds..
My assumptions are on the same level of stupidity as the assumptions on the other side of the argument...
@enticed-malice said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@a-cranky-eskimo as long as you recognize that fact. good.
Thing is that is basically the whole argument on either side.
The only facts here are that the control schemes arent balanced and that should be considered when making any of these changes.
@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@enticed-malice said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@a-cranky-eskimo as long as you recognize that fact. good.
Thing is that is basically the whole argument on either side.
The only facts here are that the control schemes arent balanced and that should be considered when making any of these changes.
Control scheme's aren't balanced...
Microsoft just offered you a way to balance them...
You refused to take it
Im pretty sure the people who really want to use M+K on xb1 are the pvp only group that get sore and scream every time they die. The xbox (even the x) cant outperform a computer when it comes to input speed. No matter what you do everyone on a PC is going to have faster response time. But not enough to make any real difference.
Also Ive NEVER come across pc players that I thought had any real advantage and I mostly win against them. In fact every time I have PC legends on my crew they die repeatedly against console players. Sure you can spin and mayber aim faster but you can do that on a controller as well.
I cant be the only one that thinks this "pc advantage" is almost entirely imaginary...Lol ok guys, like i have said before go watch any game played on pc and then console, have all the laughs you want this is clearly an issue and bigger names than any of us like youtubers ans streamers who game for a living all admit it, this post is just a joke at this point. Im the only one who admits that its all opinion on here and you guys act like anything you have said proves anything anymore than what ive said, which it dosnt.
The only fact like i said is a control scheme imbalance, and even then i get a response of “well they let you balance it whats the issue” ...
Making controllers obselete and forcing players who want to compete at their full potential in a given setting, and forcing that setting to no longer be a controller vs controller environment is completely sidestepping the actual issue, and as usual you guys must already know this, and then you get the guy going “i cant imagine it exists blah blah” so you can “have a laugh” which like i said in the first response is why you even made the thread, to bait and troll.
@mith-bosevem your right you wouldnt be the only person ignorant of the truth.
A joystick used with one thumb that has to return to center to stop compared to a person using their whole arm to point and click without having any restriction of movement like the joysticks stationary anchor.
Im sure this could be proven mathematically, making it fact.
The only thing that is a variable is that it depends on the person using either control scheme.
@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@mith-bosevem your right you wouldnt be the only person ignorant of the truth.
A joystick used with one thumb that has to return to center to stop compared to a person using their whole arm to point and click without having any restriction of movement like the joysticks stationary anchor.
Im sure this could be proven mathematically, making it fact.
The only thing that is a variable is that it depends on the person using either control scheme.
are there advantages to using a K/M? Yes
is optional crossplay the solution? No
is giving the tools to the console community to be on par with K/M? to some yes to others no.what would be your solution to balance the K/M with the Controller?
also just to correct you on some false information with the quoted text
we do have restrictions of movement with a mouse. there is only so much right or left we can turn before we have to stop, lift the mouse and put it back and then move it left again. so think of your joystick that stops responding every 0.5 seconds and you have to reset it before it continues to work.@squaz05 except you just have your sensitivty up so high that turning dosnt require you to have to lift it most times anyways, you can turn 360 degrees by angling the mouse within like a 60-90 degree range...
And ive said it multiple times, have controller servers and m and kb servers, which isnt console vs pc its just common sense.
You admit the advantage, so why not admit the solution....
I have only ever suggested crossplay options as a solution that could be implemented before m and kb is added, at which point pc labeled servers would become m and kb and console would be relabeled controller... and at that point either choice of control device would have its own playing ground, regardless of platform.
This is when people will say things like not splitting the playerbase of a low pop game is more important than fair and balanced gameplay. Which was one of the biggest factors we were told was a part of their design vision.
This whole thread is a dumb joke, there isnt any way besides slowing down mouse aiming to balance them, and that likely would reverse the advantage. There is no way to balance them and they shouldnt be on the same servers in a game with weapons that are aimed or tactical positioning is a thing. Period.
@a-cranky-eskimo ill have to disagree with you on the input device matchmaking. There are tons of players who use a controller on PC to play games such as COD, Bf, etc.., yet no input match matching. They have the choice of which input device they want. Honestly, it's about time that consoles caught up to the times to give those players the choice now.
However in the end, it will definately be interesting to see how this will go.
@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@squaz05 except you just have your sensitivty up so high that turning dosnt require you to have to lift it most times anyways, you can turn 360 degrees by angling the mouse within like a 60-90 degree range...
And ive said it multiple times, have controller servers and m and kb servers, which isnt console vs pc its just common sense.
You admit the advantage, so why not admit the solution....
I have only ever suggested crossplay options as a solution that could be implemented before m and kb is added, at which point pc labeled servers would become m and kb and console would be relabeled controller... and at that point either choice of control device would have its own playing ground, regardless of platform.
This is when people will say things like not splitting the playerbase of a low pop game is more important than fair and balanced gameplay. Which was one of the biggest factors we were told was a part of their design vision.
This whole thread is a dumb joke, there isnt any way besides slowing down mouse aiming to balance them, and that likely would reverse the advantage. There is no way to balance them and they shouldnt be on the same servers in a game with weapons that are aimed or tactical positioning is a thing. Period.
i asked for a solution to balance M/K and Controllers
your solution is to separate them? that's not balancing them, that's just avoiding the problem instead of fixing it
@enticed-malice said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
@a-cranky-eskimo ill have to disagree with you on the input device matchmaking. There are tons of players who use a controller on PC to play games such as COD, Bf, etc.., yet no input match matching. They have the choice of which input device they want. Honestly, it's about time that consoles caught up to the times to give those players the choice now.
However in the end, it will definately be interesting to see how this will go.
@A-Cranky-Eskimo this guy gets it.
PC has a choice between K/M and Controllers. Why don't you see PC players complaining about being at a disadvantage against K/M PC players? In SoT or in any other shooter on PC for that matter?@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:
Alright im done talking to myself then you guys have a good one.
bruh I admited that there is a problem
I agreed with you on many pointsi showed you that some of your arguments are flawed
Your solutions work perfectly fine for the Xbox community, but they hurt the pc community.
you just refuse to acknowledge anything a PC player says...seriously why do you not see a PC player using a controller complain that there is a disadvantage against K/M PC players?
you feel that you are talking to yourself because you refuse to listen to anyone that disagrees with you.
@squaz05 dude its pretty simple, you offer no solutions and turn down mine and say nonsense like you not keeping your advantage hurts pc players....
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Everyone who want to compete having to use m and kb isnt a solution
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I want to play with a controller
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I want a fair playing ground
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M and kb and controller will never be balanced.
You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.
If you can explain to me why separate servers causes any problem beyond the pc issue of you guys having games like archage or potco and therefore less players who play this game, then ill accept it. You guys already having better and more options is a poor excuse to make this game that should probably be only console and would likely be a better game with more content for it, cave to pc players when there is clearly a balance issue.
Its like most pc players on your side of the issue are tyrants who will do anything to keep their throne. “But sire if you send those men there they are at a disadvantage and will die”
And then you guys laugh about it and sit on your throne with the advantage that you have.
Lol funny i know but i had to make it that dramatic for you to understand it it seems
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