I'm all for a flag to celebrate U.S. Independence Day. But it would need to be generic enough to fit the period. I could see something like a white star framed by a blue background, with a red gunpowder barrel in the center. Or something along those lines.
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@trophy-un1ocked said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Like i have always said. If you are OK with them bringing in something that represents a Real World topic/issue/controversy/.etc then you NEED to be OK with all other forms. Otherwise if you are only OK with 1 but not the others, you are by definition a hypocrite.
Plus we already have the French flag in game.
Hehehe jokes.
@trophy-un1ocked said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Like i have always said. If you are OK with them bringing in something that represents a Real World topic/issue/controversy/.etc then you NEED to be OK with all other forms. Otherwise if you are only OK with 1 but not the others, you are by definition a hypocrite.
Nah. I don't "need" to be anything.
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Like i have always said. If you are OK with them bringing in something that represents a Real World topic/issue/controversy/.etc then you NEED to be OK with all other forms. Otherwise if you are only OK with 1 but not the others, you are by definition a hypocrite.
Edit For Clarity:
I believe that you don't necessarily have to buy in to everything when you decide to take position.
If I agree with the Pride Flag, because of my political point of view, and that I disagree with Nationalism, because of my political point of view, it doesn't mean I'm being hypocritical. It's far more complex.
I acknowledge a flag of the identity of a minority group that has been historically persecuted and that does not represent any organized religion. I disapprove of National Flags as they've been used, more often than not, to fuel feuds and fear.
@siriondb said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Nationalism doesn't have its place in the game because of the connection with the real world.
Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, and...
nationality or creed."
That is my opinion of it
Which unfortunately is completely against Article 1. I understand your opinion though, and I am not opposed to your POV.
I think, pirate theme aside, the one obvious difference between the two flags being discussed is this: one represents inclusiveness across the globe, the other.... is nearly the antithesis of that sentiment. The one flag is something that can represent people anywhere, the other simply represents a single nation that is littered in various political controversy directly tied into division based on silly things like nationalism. If you really don't see the difference between these two things, you're being willfully ignorant.
That's about the end of my contribution to the debate, otherwise I start getting too far into political discussion and I don't feel like getting banned today.
@siriondb Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed
There is your IN right there. Why not?
@siriondb said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Please no. Nationalism has no place in a land where it doesn't even exist.
They should most certainly have 3 separate flags for The Wilds, Ancient Isles and The Shores of Plenty
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@siriondb said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Nationalism doesn't have its place in the game because of the connection with the real world.
Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, and...
nationality or creed."
That is my opinion of it
Which unfortunately is completely against Article 1. I understand your opinion though, and I am not opposed to your POV.
I understand where you're coming from but this, to me, signifies that we are welcoming to everyone regardless of their nationality or creed. This means we remain respectful to eachother.
Nationalism and Nationality are not the same thing.
@doctor-dissaray said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
You NEED to be alive to comment here :P
Are you discriminating against the undead? Shame on you! 😀
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Yes, the Rainbow Flag was added and the Devs followed through by saying it was for Pride Month. I applaud and commend their decision.
It doesn't have to be fair or equal because it doesn't weigh the same. Nationalism doesn't have its place in the game because of the connection with the real world. That is my opinion of it, at least in part. My opinion on Nationalism is far more detailed, but this is not the place nor the time to discuss politics.
The Pride Flag was added in the game by the Devs because they felt like it was worth adding to their game. Whether it was relevant in the days of Piracy, or whatever, it doesn't matter.
What you say here doesn’t really make a point, just contradictions.
You say nationalism doesn’t fit because of it’s real connection to the world, however, you recognize the rainbow flag was added for an actual word situation. You say it doesn’t matters if it’s relevant in the days of piracy or whatever, but why the relevance of the rainbow flag doesn’t matters when you are saying nationalism doesn’t fits? So if the pride flag doesn’t fit it’s okay but if nationalism flag doesn’t fit that’s not okay?
There’s no argument in that@dislex-fx said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
@sir-lotus said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
I say "sure, why not." even tho I'm not from US. I doubt it'll happen, but I personaly wouldn't mind it.
But...
I'm sorry, it made laugh. think about it really carefuly. You're asking a UK developer to help you celebrate Independence Day. :)
If they celebrate player's private parts, well... I'm curious to see why the American flag won't happen.
It wasn't the private parts they were celebrating as much as everyone's right to hide them in non traditional places if they so desired.
@f1lthy-rich said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
@dislex-fx said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
@sir-lotus said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
I say "sure, why not." even tho I'm not from US. I doubt it'll happen, but I personaly wouldn't mind it.
But...
I'm sorry, it made laugh. think about it really carefuly. You're asking a UK developer to help you celebrate Independence Day. :)
If they celebrate player's private parts, well... I'm curious to see why the American flag won't happen.
It wasn't the private parts they were celebrating as much as everyone's right to hide them in non traditional places if they so desired.
...Maybe he is referring to the 'Jolly Roger' Flag XD
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Yes, the Rainbow Flag was added and the Devs followed through by saying it was for Pride Month. I applaud and commend their decision.
It doesn't have to be fair or equal because it doesn't weigh the same. Nationalism doesn't have its place in the game because of the connection with the real world. That is my opinion of it, at least in part. My opinion on Nationalism is far more detailed, but this is not the place nor the time to discuss politics.
The Pride Flag was added in the game by the Devs because they felt like it was worth adding to their game. Whether it was relevant in the days of Piracy, or whatever, it doesn't matter.
What you say here doesn’t really make a point, just contradictions.
You say nationalism doesn’t fit because of it’s real connection to the world, however, you recognize the rainbow flag was added for an actual word situation. You say it doesn’t matters if it’s relevant in the days of piracy or whatever, but why the relevance of the rainbow flag doesn’t matters when you are saying nationalism doesn’t fits? So if the pride flag doesn’t fit it’s okay but if nationalism flag doesn’t fit that’s not okay?
There’s no argument in what you said
I believe that nationalism has no place in this game because of it's real world connection. You're right, but as Ive mentioned, I also have my own personal beliefs that fuel my opinion. Although this isn't the place or time to be discussing my political stance.
With that in mind, I am also saying I believe that the Pride Flag belongs in the game because:
A. The Devs wished it to be in.
B. It fits with my political position
C. Regardless of nationality, this is matter that touches a great deal of human beings across the World.All in all, I can understand why people would like to see their national pride represented in-game, though I don't entirely agree.
@trophy-un1ocked said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Like i have always said. If you are OK with them bringing in something that represents a Real World topic/issue/controversy/.etc then you NEED to be OK with all other forms. Otherwise if you are only OK with 1 but not the others, you are by definition a hypocrite.
Nice black and white view you have there, no wonder you didn't like a colorful flag. The rainbow flag is about inclusion, for everyone playing the game. Nationality is about segregation into groups based on the country you come from.
Everyone is free to have their own opinion, calling hypocrisy because people don't treat different things in a similar matter is very short sighted in my opinion.
Luckily Rare doesn't NEED to be OK with anything but the stuff that they believe in/support/think fits the game. They don't have any obligation to honor any requests as this isn't a game dev democracy.
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@siriondb dijo en Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Yes, the Rainbow Flag was added and the Devs followed through by saying it was for Pride Month. I applaud and commend their decision.
It doesn't have to be fair or equal because it doesn't weigh the same. Nationalism doesn't have its place in the game because of the connection with the real world. That is my opinion of it, at least in part. My opinion on Nationalism is far more detailed, but this is not the place nor the time to discuss politics.
The Pride Flag was added in the game by the Devs because they felt like it was worth adding to their game. Whether it was relevant in the days of Piracy, or whatever, it doesn't matter.
What you say here doesn’t really make a point, just contradictions.
You say nationalism doesn’t fit because of it’s real connection to the world, however, you recognize the rainbow flag was added for an actual word situation. You say it doesn’t matters if it’s relevant in the days of piracy or whatever, but why the relevance of the rainbow flag doesn’t matters when you are saying nationalism doesn’t fits? So if the pride flag doesn’t fit it’s okay but if nationalism flag doesn’t fit that’s not okay?
There’s no argument in what you said
I believe that nationalism has no place in this game because of it's real world connection.
Okay so in the same way we can say a rainbow flag doesn’t fits because it has real world connection too
With that in mind, I am also saying I believe that the Pride Flag belongs in the game because:
A. The Devs wished it to be in.
B. It fits with my political position
C. Regardless of nationality, this is matter that touches a great deal of human beings across the World.Answering to your points (A, B, and C)
(A.) The devs wished the rainbow flag to be in yes but many other people would wish nationalism flags too.
(B.) Nationalism flags would fit with other players “political position” too.
(C.) Yes the rainbow flag situation is a matter that touches bla bla bla, but a video game isn’t the right place to talk about that, there are also other kinds of matters but a videogame isn’t a place that will help fix those matters
@xxx1ra1xxx said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
(C.) Yes the rainbow flag situation is a matter that touches bla bla bla, but a video game isn’t the right place to talk about that, there are also other kinds of matters but a videogame isn’t a place that will help fix those matters
You highly underestimate the impact a game can have on people's lives there, matey. If we were an inclusive community, which we clearly aren't, and live by that within the game then the community itself becomes a safe haven for a lot of people. That stuff changes lives, whether you believe it or not.
I understand a lot of people look to politicians to solve these types of issues, but it's everything else that has the most impact. Even if it's something small like adding a rainbow flag.
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@xxx1ra1xxx said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
(C.) Yes the rainbow flag situation is a matter that touches bla bla bla, but a video game isn’t the right place to talk about that, there are also other kinds of matters but a videogame isn’t a place that will help fix those matters
You highly underestimate the impact a game can have on people's lives there, matey. If we were an inclusive community, which we clearly aren't, and live by that within the game then the community itself becomes a safe haven for a lot of people. That stuff changes lives, whether you believe it or not.
I understand a lot of people look to politicians to solve these types of issues, but it's everything else that has the most impact. Even if it's something small like adding a rainbow flag.
Sorry mate I undertand you have good intentions with what you are saying but those are liberal sermons.
I don’t actually think having a rainbow flag would help, it’s not like a LGBT opposer would see a ship with a rainbow flag and say “oh now I changed my mind, those people had a rainbow flag so know I became open minded”, sorry but no, it’s actually unnecessary, of course the intention of adding a rainbow flag is to show support and affection to people from that community, but a pirate game is not the right place, a videogame is for having fun not for showing support
@v**a-hombre said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
Bah!
Everyone knows the true hero of the hour was R***y Quaid.
I'd prefer his face on a set of sails than a tiny little flag, tbh.
Imagine this barreling towards you on the high seas, accompanied only by the sounds of firing cannons
@genuine-heather said
Rainbows existed.
Yes, but ironically rainbows are only bent into an arch, not straight or horizontal. :o)
An arched rainbow flag in the game would have simply been "just a rainbow flag" without any agenda despite pride month. But let's call a spade a bloody spade.I am not opposed to pride celebrations but if it had to be included into any game then it should have only take place after a long list of life crippling diseases and mental health issues are recognized first.
Although I've sailed SoT in boats flying the "rainbow" flag many times I'd much rather fly the pink ribbon in recognition of cancer sufferers, their friends and family members. Just one example of many I have already listed upon the flag's release.
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@xxx1ra1xxx said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
(C.) Yes the rainbow flag situation is a matter that touches bla bla bla, but a video game isn’t the right place to talk about that, there are also other kinds of matters but a videogame isn’t a place that will help fix those matters
You highly underestimate the impact a game can have on people's lives there, matey. If we were an inclusive community, which we clearly aren't, and live by that within the game then the community itself becomes a safe haven for a lot of people. That stuff changes lives, whether you believe it or not.
I understand a lot of people look to politicians to solve these types of issues, but it's everything else that has the most impact. Even if it's something small like adding a rainbow flag.
Sorry mate I undertand you have good intentions with what you are saying but those are liberal sermons.
I don’t actually think having a rainbow flag would help, it’s not like a LGBT opposer would see a ship with a rainbow flag and say “oh now I changed my mind, those people had a rainbow flag so know I became open minded”, sorry but no, it’s actually unnecessary, of course the intention of adding a rainbow flag is to show support and affection to people from that community, but a pirate game is not the right place, a videogame is for having fun not for showing support
You've got it all wrong there mate. It's not there to get you to change your mind, it's there to show the people that belong in this minority group (I hate the term minority, but it's what I've got) that they have a place within this community.
An online videogame is most definitely the place to show support and let these people know that they have a place here, just like everyone has. Whether you decide to support that or not is up to you, but there are players who will and those players will make a difference in the lives of the LGBT players.
A community is built by people, all people. There is no harm in letting the ones being oppressed know that they have a place here.
You don't have to show your support, no one is asking you too. You don't have to change your beliefs, no one is forcing you to. You don't even have to acknowledge the flag and what it stands for. But by god you should show the same respect you are clearly trying to make people have for yourself to these people and their supporters.
@genuine-heather pride month didnt. Which is why the flag was added. Anyways let's just see how they respond to most of their players.
Plus they did do things for the U.S like the chips Ahoy codes
@cheatingpirate said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
@genuine-heather there were pirates still past 1776 as well
Pirates exist today. That’s beside the point. The Golden Age of piracy ran from about 1650 to 1725 (roughly). That is the period most pirate lore is drawn from, including this game.
@cheatingpirate said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
@genuine-heather pride month didnt. Which is why the flag was added. Anyways let's just see how they respond to most of their players.
Plus they did do things for the U.S like the chips Ahoy codes
Regardless of the real world reasons the flag was added, which I wholeheartedly support, the flag itself has no defined meaning in the 18th century game world. It can mean whatever you want, just like the other flags.
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@xxx1ra1xxx said in Star Spangled Banner! Flag for the 4th of july:
(C.) Yes the rainbow flag situation is a matter that touches bla bla bla, but a video game isn’t the right place to talk about that, there are also other kinds of matters but a videogame isn’t a place that will help fix those matters
You highly underestimate the impact a game can have on people's lives there, matey. If we were an inclusive community, which we clearly aren't, and live by that within the game then the community itself becomes a safe haven for a lot of people. That stuff changes lives, whether you believe it or not.
I understand a lot of people look to politicians to solve these types of issues, but it's everything else that has the most impact. Even if it's something small like adding a rainbow flag.
Sorry mate I undertand you have good intentions with what you are saying but those are liberal sermons.
I don’t actually think having a rainbow flag would help, it’s not like a LGBT opposer would see a ship with a rainbow flag and say “oh now I changed my mind, those people had a rainbow flag so know I became open minded”, sorry but no, it’s actually unnecessary, of course the intention of adding a rainbow flag is to show support and affection to people from that community, but a pirate game is not the right place, a videogame is for having fun not for showing support
You've got it all wrong there mate. It's not there to get you to change your mind, it's there to show the people that belong in this minority group (I hate the term minority, but it's what I've got) that they have a place within this community.
Yeah I know the intentions for the rainbow flag to be here, I mentioned them in my previous answer of these
An online videogame is most definitely the place to show support and let these people know that they have a place here, just like everyone has.>
An online videogame shouldn’t be the right place for talking about real world issues. A rainbow flag isn’t necessary for letting these people know they have a place here, at this point is already obvious they have a place here, as I said a rainbow flag is not needed
But by god you should show the same respect you are clearly trying to make people have for yourself to these people and their supporters.
I have never been disrespectful with the rainbow flag community, I have always discussed with respect.
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