Most everyone I play with agrees... what is the deal with gold border chests value? Captains being sold for less than $700!? Seaferrers for around $150!? And how come those special chests (sorrows and grogs) are also so cheep!? For all the hassle one goes through to deliver, and the rarity of these chests one should be awarded a greater amount than a captains chest. Honestly, any gold chicken, pig, or snake makes a bunch more money than any chests. In some cases I’ve mad double a captains chest with one gold chicken. It doesnt make sense. Please correct this issue?
Value of Chests
@schwiftylilbits I’m not too concerned about the price of the regular chests & skulls. Yes, it would be nice for them to be worth more, but it’s not a deal breaker for me. I do agree that the “special” chests like the Grog & Sorrows should definitely be worth more, like $1,000-$1,500 due to their rarity. I also feel the stronghold items should sell for a minimum $2,800-$3,000 each due to the effort it takes to retrieve them.
@entspeak said in Value of Chests:
@coel03 I agree with the exception of the Chest of Sorrows. I really think that should be worth more.
Agreed. It should really be in the 1800s IMO. Chest are cheap yes, but at higher levels, I've had island have 6-8 chests on it. You cant get that many animals / skulls from one stop. Gold Hoarders is all about the bulk value.
Merchants are the most profitable, but you cant start a voyage, pick up only a few then cancel and start a voyage. It really requires the most sailing.
OOS is the most difficult to obtain and nearly un-soloable at higher levels. If anything, the value of skulls should be buffed.
Sold a Captain's Chest last night for 526g. lol...
Try running an entire legendary voyage and coming out of it with eight Castaway's Chests... They should just block those from legendary quests entirely... I mean, I had to pay 67875g for a glowing clown shirt but I had to earn that in 46g increments.
Seems fair.
@aod-fluid said in Value of Chests:
Sold a Captain's Chest last night for 526g. lol...
Try running an entire legendary voyage and coming out of it with eight Castaway's Chests... They should just block those from legendary quests entirely... I mean, I had to pay 67875g for a glowing clown shirt but I had to earn that in 46g increments.
Seems fair.
Legendary voyage loot 100% needs buffed. If they buffed GH and OOS why couldnt they on legendary?
I feel like the consequences of this would lead to a more standard value for specific chests.
But why does the name or type of chest determine what's IN the chest?
Maybe it's the finest chest that can be found but there's only 300 gp or less.... worth of stuff in it.Should every sunken ship have the same loot? Like 3 skulls and at least one chest. Should there be the same value per sunken ship?
Not that you're suggesting that it result exactly how I've described....but it could progress to something similar.
Disregard my comment if I've missed the mark.
@coel03 I disagree. I leveled up from 35 to 44 in merch in the last three days. It takes about 30 min to collect a bunch of chickens, and you get about $5,000 - $8,000 per voyage. Gold quests take so much longer.. multiple islands, hunting riddles, bailing water from tears and swaying from drunkenness. Only to get a few thousand in profit and hardly any experience.
@twiladerp chests fluctuate from moment to moment. At the same outpost I’ve sold a captains for $600 and then another ten seconds later for $1,200. Why would it double in value?
@schwiftylilbits
Hopefully you read this, I found alot of joy writing it. ( At least the explenation part of it) Enjoy.Well ya in a meta gameplay point of view that is how it works. I already know that and I don't need you to tell me. But why does it fluctuate IN game. Lore wise. Story buildup. Clearly when you buy a map you sign a contract with Gold Hoarders. Knowing that they are greedy B******s they won't split it evenly. They want as much money as possible so either each treasure chest holds a different amount ( most likely the case) or they are taking more out of one chest and giving you less for the voyage. Instead of a 70-30 it's a 90-10, You have no choice in the matter because like both of you know the Gold Hoarders is one of the very few sources of income and if you attack him they may not do business with you again or even get kicked off the outpost. There is also the case of how much it cost the pirates to buy the chests. lets say that Blind Eye Wally has 6000 gold. That is enough to perches the best most secure chest of the four (how many captain chests do you see open on islands with no treasure). Most likely they were purchased from the Gold Hoarders because they are the only ones that can open them. (Probably have a skeleton key for all four chests, each one with a different amount of tumblers). Each one would lets say is 1200 gold, that would leave 4800 gold to be put in the chest. The Faction then hires you to retrieve the chest ( which has a tracking enchantment on it so they know where it is) and take 70-30 split. That would give you 1440 gold for your job well done. Well it would, but after 300 gold for shipping and handling, documentation storage costs, and the transaction fees ( plus tax) you get 1140. Now take that except with gullible Jim who has 4000 gold. He falls for the bait and switch and gets up charged from the Marauder's package to the Captain's package. ( Gold Hoarders are REALLY good marketers) Well that leaves 2800 left. After the 70-30 split you get 840 gold and then the 300 gold for fees and taxes gives you 540 gold. And that is why you feel cheated by the Gold Hoarders, they try and maximize profit any way necessary.
@twiladerp As cut throat savvy pirates we should be able to haggle. We already pay for the maps or riddles and as your rep gets higher they become very pricey, many times not returning what we've outlaid.
Example:
Rank: 800g
Each Voyage: 100gReturn with bloody castaway's chest: 54g
I'm pretty sure that I have spent more on the voyages than I have on the upgrades and I've bought sails
worthpriced at 70,000g, as well as few items. lolJust before the game launched the SoT wiki pages listed the value of each chest. It had the Captain's chest at 800g - 1,200g. It now has it valued at 600g - 1,200g but the game has given us under 600g many times and sometimes even less than 500g.
That's just one example but it's consistently inconsistent. lol
The price offered varies so much that I believe it has to be a randomly generated variable set between parameters regardless of distance or difficulty in getting the treasure.
Even with the possibility that Rare might think one riddle is easier than the next therefore the values differ. That's just a matter of personal opinion as to which was easy or difficult.A slight tweak to the script could have the randomly generated price / offer broadcasted on screen before the transaction takes place. Try to haggle a bit more out of the ol' f**t.
Don't like the deal, then go elsewhere. He's not the only Gold Hoarder and it's not the only outpost. Just like we're not the only crew.Although it would mean further distances traveled and longer stays at outposts, I think it would add further elements to the game. More dangers.
Maybe the gold hoarder of one outpost (Sanctuary) is know as a cheapskate, are you prepared to sail across the map to others (Ancient Spires) who offer more gold but are in the bad gloomy parts of the world with more hazards and greater possibilities of losing it all to cut-throat pirates and the creatures that lurk in those waters? Oh hell yeah. lol Or maybe not.
There could still be that random price offered but set the parameters to different brackets / levels for different parts of the game world.
Perhaps a scale of distance traveled could be the key parameter. The longer any treasure is on your ship (in mileage) the more it's worth. That then divides the more conscious players from the greedier ones. lol Yet another spin on how you, the individual, prefer to play the game.
Fair winds and happy sailing. :o)
@poppasquids Well, I just did a 6 animal voyage at Crook’s Hollow this evening (3 chickens and 3 snakes), so... :)
But, yes, it can require more work and planning to do a Merchant voyage - especially since you can only drop off at one outpost. Of course, I’m also playing solo.
@admiral-rrrsole That would be a great idea and give the NPCs a little more individualism and not just another Gold Hoarder. The thing is though, why should they? The gold hoarders on each island are not competing against each other. This isn't Walmart vs, Target, more of a Walmart in one city and another Walmart the next town over. They all work under the same banner, most likely are judged by their districts. They could add a competitive to each and each one would have a district manager that would tally earnings and head to HQ to see how each one has done. Then those earnings would be checked and the two employees from the district that made the most that quarter (3 months) could have a new part of their body covered in gold. Like a rank mark or trophy for a job well done. This would allow a more haggling on map prices, but less gold in the end, or pay more for the map for a higher pay, BUT you have to return those chest to that specific Gold Hoarder to receive that increased reward, and those chest would be specially marked with the symbol of the outpost you got it on. ( Those symbols can be found on the docks, They are flags that blow in the wind specifying which outpost you are on.) This would allow Other crews to gain that reward if they get that treasure.This could also be used on cages for the Trading Company so when you catch an animal specifically for a voyage other crews have the ability to cash in the animals at the designated outpost fulfilling the order and receiving ALL the rewards that they are owed and not 150 for a golden snake when it should be 1500. The way they implemented the stealing of animals is stupid, this should help with that.
@twiladerp said in Value of Chests:
The thing is though, why should they? The gold hoarders on each island are not competing against each other.
Not currently, but why not have them compete?
This isn't Walmart vs, Target, more of a Walmart in one city and another Walmart the next town over. They all work under the same banner, most likely are judged by their districts.
I'm not sure about your location but here in Australia the same chain have different prices for the same item depending on store location.
Their specials might be the same price but that's usually where it ends.
For example: I live within a ten minute drive from three Woolworth supermarkets.
Groceries bought from any one of those stores can have major mark-ups or even in-store specials that the other two don't. Even some brands of certain stock differ from store to store. What is not available ever at one Woolworth we can get from the other Woolworth a few minutes drive away.Again, it's just a game, so we don't need to get too technical.
Any Woolworth executives that might happen to read this I think I have dropped the company name enough for a year of free groceries. Just saying. :o)
They could add a competitive to each and each one would have a district manager that would tally earnings and head to HQ to see how each one has done.
I think this needs official adjudication by none other than @Morganfr33man42 self appointed mayor of Sanctuary.
@admiral-rrrsole Is Woolworth an independently owed market place? If that is the case then they are competing against each other. I may have a better example. Where I live we have 4 Subways within 3 cities/towns. Subway is an independently owned restaurant and chain, BUT all these Subways are owned by the same person. This means that they are not in competition with each other and actually help one another out, if they are understaffed in one shop an employee that works at a different one can then come in to take there place. This is how I think the Gold Hoarders run there 'business'. Walmart is not independently owned and uses the same distributing center to get supplies in the area. I believe the Mid West of the US has it in Chicago.
@twiladerp No, Woolworth(s) are not independently owned.
We are told that the prices are regional based, like renting or buying property in one suburb differs from the next.Woolworth is actually an American owned company which owns more than half of Australian retail.
Everyone got up in arms about their take-over forcing smaller chains and family businesses to liquidate. So the government (although way too late) made laws about how much percentage of the market any one group could own.What Woolworths did to combat this ruling was create a lot of smaller chains under different names. They own "Big W" a rival of K-Mart but quite possibly owned by the same group of investors. "Target" is another company owned by the big wigs but I'm unsure now if that belongs to Woolworths or the other giant "Coles" who also own several liquor store chains, "Liquor Barn" and I think "Thirsty Camel".
The Woolworth group created liquor stores "Dan Murphy's" and "BWS" (Beer, Wines & Spirits) and have them scattered everywhere even across the road from one another. Their obvious plan is to flood the place with their stores, despite the name out front, to corner the market.
For some reason "Dan Murphy's" is always a lot cheaper than "BWS". That reason is tax based alleged "loss" due to their other title "Dan Murphy" taking all of their business even though they are one and the same. Governments obviously get a cut and treat everyone as being stupid.
The "Dan Murphy's" I regularly go to is right next door to a "BWS" drive-through.@admiral-rrrsole That's quite interesting, hopefully your small businesses are doing alright from that. K mart doesn't really exist anymore. At least where I am. I know prices do drastically change frrom area to area, but not usually when the stores are less than 50 miles away from each other. It may very by state, but not by county.
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