The ladders that lead on the ship should be withdrawable

@gloog sagte in The ladders that lead on the ship should be withdrawable:

You wrote all this after one guy one time sword dashed to your ladder faster than you?
This is an antifun suggestion just because you got played one time.

I was never played though? How can I be played when my biggest enemy is still the Curse of this old Voodoo Priest called "Longbeard" ? ;)

If this is something everyone will do, then it is not overpowered is it?
My thoughts are simple: Bring a Ship if you want to sink a Ship, or enter it. Or use some possible canons nearby. Ships are supposed to be "guarded enemy territory", not just a puny fisherboat every p**b can jump on. ;-)

Also it is not something everyone can do so easily.
Especially not when playing alone. If you let them down after jumping on an island you can enter it faster. But if not, you have a way longer way back on board.
This is making teamplay even more important or attractive and hey... I am a Solo player still.

@lil-fokker sagte in The ladders that lead on the ship should be withdrawable:

I'm so down....for ladders up!
LOL

Thank you! I was hoping it would push this exact buttons in other players.
I want to have the feel that my ship is not necessarily a highly secured fortress, but also not just an open garden that anyone can just walk in either.

If hostile players want to sink or board our ships, one way or the other, they need to bring their own ship, board it by crashing into it, or sink it with their own canons and tenacity! :)

They are not supposed to roll up. This by design to allow multiple ways to board

@nwo-azcrack sagte in The ladders that lead on the ship should be withdrawable:

They are not supposed to roll up. This by design to allow multiple ways to board

Yeah and I ask myself what is next?
Why not buy an magic infused item that allows you to teleport on an enemy ship?
Or maybe a Sword like that of Blackbeard, that summons Ropes and immobilizes enemy Crews instantly?
... and make your way on the enemy Ships even easier?
I mean there can never be enough ways, right?
And it cannot be easy enough, right?

Actually I just want to board an enemy vessel "just by willing it". Hmpf! xD

Hmmmmmmmmmm, but...
I really wonder how many people have the strenght to grab the ropes and hold onto a ladder from a ship in full drive, or are not just knocked away or maybe even killed like flies crashing into a cars frontwindow, when they collide with the ships planks?

Is is unrealistic as hell and it makes Ships feel saddening weak and pitiful for me.
Sorry to bring forth a suggestion that destroys a playstile you have already grown fond off.
Some things should have never been.

I really hope grappling hooks make it into the game.
You can board my ship IF you can - but please do it with style.
And not like another unimpressive "omg m4ass1v rUling Progammer" okay?

@jesusthebird
Ima agree with u that the sword lunge is a bug and they probably didnt expect ppl to use it to board like they do. And i would love a grappling hook very much to board with. The ladders just add another way for ship combat. Its already so easy to hear someone on them and defend. I dont see why that would need to change. I dont care about realism. We shoot ourselves out of cannons mate....

I too am in agreement that the lunge-into-boarding maneuver is lame.

@jesusthebird sagte in The ladders that lead on the ship should be withdrawable:

@nwo-azcrack i can agree. If youre paying attention to sounds watching the ladder isnt tough.

Its also dangerous cause your character has the hands on the rope and cannot use a weapon but still... the overall immersive standoff of two ships should be between the Ships only, if not for a proper collision and boarding maneuver.

To this point in time people are not really encouraged to play immersive cause you just have access to all this atmosphere breaking actions.

I'm not sure I understand... did you even play the game at all? Or did you just watch a few videos?

That aside, the sword lunge into boarding isn't exactly easy to pull off. You have to time the lunge and jump to gain the most distance and momentum, you have to lead your target and watch the distance.
Boarding via cannon is extremely unreliable because it's very hard and because you kinda bounce off everything you hit, sometimes extremely far. It's also much louder and easier for the enemy to see.

Boarding right now is the only way to ensure a ship will actually sink. If you can not kill the enemy crew and keep them from repairing, they can save their ship from ever being sunk. Making ladders retractable would lead to no competent ship ever being sunk ever again.
As of right now, it's very easy to defend against boarders. A slash with the sword will knock them off the ladder, they make a loud splashing noise when swimming and starting to climb up.

I get the point about immersion, but removing those ways to board and instead forcing players to ram or get close with grappling hooks would completely cripple the meta.
Battles right now are won by positioning - bringing your ship in a position to fire upon the enemy without being fired upon, then boarding the enemy to drop their anchor, ensuring they stay in their disadvantaged position, then killing the crew to ensure sinking of the ship.
If you have to ram or get close, all that positioning would go out the window, and the crew with the better fps skills would win every engagement. It would be affect the gameplay very badly.

I absolutely do want grappling hooks tho. But we must keep the ladders as well.

As for powder kegs, they're pretty easy to avoid as a sloop and easy to repair as a galleon. However, they do give you an opening and possibly some chaos that you can use to board the enemy ship and make sure they can't repair. This is especially useful for smaller crews.

Yesterday, we duo slooped and tried to do a fort, but kept getting interrupted by 3 different galleons coming back over and over and over again, but sort of staggered so we only ever fought one. They were rather bad crews, so I was able to powder keg them every single time and kill all of them in the follow up boarding. In the end, we had sunk 8 galleons and 2 sloops, but had to go offline because of work, so the third galleon returning for the third time actually got the key. Without kegs damaging from underwater or the ability to board via the ladders, none of this would've been possible. I even attempted to cannon myself onto their ship from a tower, but the cannons were bugged and wouldn't let me climb in.

Adversely, I've been on the receiving end of powder kegs. We were a galleon crew at a fort, and this sloop kept circling outside of the forts 'effective' (lol) cannon range. When we tried to pursue them, they would immediately sail against the wind and around a bunch of rocks. They didn't want to fight us head on, and we didn't want to move away from our vantage point at the fort, so we just kept 3 people aboard while one of us did the fort.
Eventually, the sloop started to do long range powder keg attempts, swimming all the wax towards us. It worked a lot of times, but their follow up boarding didn't succeed in keeping us from repairing. In the end, we survived 6 powder kegs, when I decided I had enough and attempted a keg move of my own, swimming 2 minutes into their by now very predictable path. I climbed the ladder of their sloop and the helmsman didn't see the powder keg on my back, so he shot me and the keg exploded, killing me and both of their crew. Their sloop had only one hole in the back, but the wheel had been turned slightly, causing the now driverless sloop to sail right up to our broadside, where we boarded it, shot it to pieces and ensured the crew met a watery grave upon respawn.

In both those encounters, gunpowder barrels AND boarding via ladders ultimately ended encounters that otherwise would have been endless battles of attrition otherwise.

Long story short, both gp barrels and boarding via ladders are great gameplay mechanics that allow even smaller crews to take on galleons, but are also relatively easy to defend against and thus very balanced. They are a vital part of PvP and balance and that should take priority over immersion in this case. Tbh I don't even find it breaking immersion because it fits into the fast paced and arcady combat.

The most obvious thing seems to be forgotten he says

Go to your armory on your ship, then what you need to do is equip this gun called a blunderbuss, it's the third or fourth slot, the barrel looks like a trumpet, what you gotta do after that's equipped into either the first or second slot, I would also recommend the cutlass, that's the sword, then, what you need to do, is be observant, usually you can see people in the water swimming to your ship during a fight, now you need to keep an eye on them, and utilizing your ears, you gotta listen, when they get close you can hear them paddling in the water, and then you will hear a distinctive sound when they get onto the ladder, at this point you wanna get your blunderbuss and pop some pellets into their face, now, if this doesn't kill them, you be sure they will be almost dead, at that point you equip your cutlass (the sword), and then just hack at them until they die... Just a quick tip

@gloog said in The ladders that lead on the ship should be withdrawable:

You wrote all this after one guy one time sword dashed to your ladder faster than you?

You suggest a ship gaurd at the end of your post. I'd follow your own suggestion.

Rollable ladder is busted dumb for gameplay. It's instantly the thing everyone will do so it's not offering any tactics. It's also not high risk.. I'd just mermaid back on if I forget. This is an antifun suggestion just because you got played one time.

Edit: ship boarding is just as essential as firing cannons at eachother.

This. The ladder is a tactical device and a part of the gameplay. It was designed like that from a gameplay and balancing perspective. The ladders are solid geometry on the ship 3D models, and cannot be removed without making a new ship model with new textures. And then that has to be tested/debugged.
It will not change. And thats a good thing.

@shovel-guy-556 sagte in The ladders that lead on the ship should be withdrawable:

The ladders are solid geometry on the ship 3D models, and cannot be removed without making a new ship model with new textures. And then that has to be tested/debugged.
It will not change. And thats a good thing.

You wish! ;)
Look how easily they placed the bell to another place. Man that stuff will be so easy...!
The unmovable ladders are the most unreal thing yet.
Sorry but I think a simple Soldier should not be able to invade a Combatvessel just like this.
For it is a floating fortress of the open Seas and not some kind of abandoned building.

Sea of Thieves has so much style but yet there are these few things feeling so out of place.
What is next? A Stardestroyer showing up and shooting my Ship to shreds?

Choose... ladders or the diving effect of the Sword-Dash taken out of the water? ;)
At least use the already unrealistic cannon shot if it needs to be.
Use something with a little more risk if you want to break the immersion.

If they were to do this they would definitely need to add a grappling hook to our inventory

@schelmflosse300 movies and pirating are two different things, boarding was a common thing, not to mention it is near IMPOSSIBLE to sink a sloop without killing the crew, too easy to bail and repair

@schelmflosse300 explain how boarding is atmosphere breaking

The way you implement this to keep it from being game breaking is that you can roll the ladder up but you have to hold it up. If you let it go it falls back down (similar to the anchor.) That way you could have two people protect ladders on a galleon but you lose two deck hands in the process. Same with a duo sloop. You could protect your ladders but thats all you can do.

@schelmflosse300
Why would this be a thing? Boarding ships would be so much harder. So many of these forums are people triggered about being outplayed

@Chief Beef DSP
So many of these forums are people triggered about being outplayed

But how can I even be outplayed when I cannot even play for more then 20 minutes before another disconnects sends me into oblivion right again?!
Ever heard of "Longbeard" error? Its driving alot of people crazy.

I have seen this move on YouTube and found it lame as f°°°, thats all.
What I see rather is people complaining about how they cannot gank so easily cause bailers seem to be really creative.

@rumham636
You could protect your ladders but thats all you can do.

And thats all people will do? Normally I would not even care to be honest.
The ladders expose the climber to become a free-kill if the ladders are just guarded properly.

Still... we got the chance to have this cool battle 'between Ships' alone and then people skip this phase and go into the Crewbattle-Phase already?
Just why though? Are they that bored can't they wait at all?

I am okay with both choice, either remove the Sword-Dash's gliding effect through Water or the ladders but both in combination is just making me cringe.
It looks dumb. Why not try to board an enemy Ship by crashing your own into it at least?
Cause it is hard to do if you are chasing?

This is all just about 4-man gankerscrews crying their eyes out about the thought that it would be really hard now to catch other players, isn't it?
But damn f°°° this continuing "Longbeard" b******t's frustration is really rubbing off on this topic for me.

Failed two other methods today to fix it at least for myself.
G******n it. ;-(