Scuttling a ship an actual technique for losers?

  • PixelHood

    I'm seeing more and more lose a fight you see them sail away and while either they are filling with water or out of resources after a fight. The ship is scuttled. There is a lot of reports that a scuttled ship re spawn's closer than if a ship is sunk.

    So my experience is that my crew usually take control of a fort and manage to defend it shooting and doing a lot of dmg to a boat and they sail a small bit away and scuttle? I know this because after doing a lot of dmg to enemy 2 board and have heard the scuttle happening as they board.

    I havn't actually tested this as we very rarely lose a fight and if we lose a fight we certain don't think quite voted scuttle... so can someone confirm a scuttle ship will re spawn closer to the place it sinks?

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  • MindArchitect

    It seems to work indeed... Something they should fix as it is becoming a norm to use for losers.
    Many times have I boarded a ship just to hear/see it being scuttled, and it happens more and more.
    This is especially annoying when doing a fort while there are about 5 ships going for it...

  • Gloog
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    Founder

    I don't think a scuttled ship is treated any differently than a sunk ship. Sometimes they just do spawn closer.

  • Ghostpaw
    Legend

    The respawn is the same level of random. People tend to see something happen once or twice and mistake correlation for causation. Someone may have scuttled a ship and respawned a little closer so they jump to the conclusion that scuttling puts you closer. Then it gets passed around by other players like an old wives tale.

    You could test this. Get sunk 60 times and each time record the distance to where you were sunk. Then scuttle 60 times and record the distance you to where you scuttled. Then do a simple t-test to see if the two groups (sunk vs. scuttle) are significantly different. Very simple stats. If you believe the distance to be very different then you might get away with just doing it 25 times for each group.

  • Pugmie
    Marauder
    Insider

    The solution is to simply reinstance people when they scuttle and/or their ship sinks.

  • PixelHood

    @pugmie said in Scuttling a ship an actual technique for losers?:

    The solution is to simply reinstance people when they scuttle and/or their ship sinks.

    Love this idea...

    As you've stated its just a "wives tale" why am I seeing it a lot more and why do the ships seem to return faster ?

    Again could just feel like that but I'd love to hear from someone that has run tests on this

  • MindArchitect

    @pugmie That would actually be a nice idea...
    People who scuttle often do it to avoid a PvPing ship anyway, might as well server hop those.
    Also prevents abuse for those that do it for different reasons, in case it isen't just an old wifes tale (Which I would also believe considering all the myths that went around since launch) and it does make you spawn closer.

    @Ghostpaw I feel like it's up to Rare to test those things...
    I'm not getting paid for it, neither will I get credit for it, so why would I put a whole lot of time and effort in it?
    They have employee's to do that kind of thing... =þ
    But I agree that it could be just perception, I don't know cause I never tried it myself.
    Just see more and more people doing it which leads me to believe it actually works.

  • SexyJeep
    Marauder
    Insider

    We've been doing this since the day they changed the spawn distance on forts. Most times we can scuttle and be back in less than 4 minutes. There's nothing wrong with scuttling my ship before it sinks - two people always vote yes right from the start and the 3rd person is always on "stand-by".

    I wouldn't have a problem with the developers switching you instances on a scuttle. I don't know why more of these changes aren't more thought through before being made.

  • Ghostpaw
    Legend

    @mindarchitect said in Scuttling a ship an actual technique for losers?:

    @Ghostpaw I feel like it's up to Rare to test those things...
    I'm not getting paid for it, neither will I get credit for it, so why would I put a whole lot of time and effort in it?
    They have employee's to do that kind of thing... =þ
    But I agree that it could be just perception, I don't know cause I never tried it myself.
    Just see more and more people doing it which leads me to believe it actually works.

    You don't have to do it. I would be surprised if anyone would.

  • A Cranky Eskimo
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    Founder

    We brought up the reinstancing of sunken ships in the pioneer and alpha sessions too and as with most feedback never heard a word about the topic other than them finally making spawn farther away. They never mentioned any possibility to make sunk ships move to a new server. They seem to only look for solutions that are beyond simple, oh and only add content that is beyond beyond simple. It’s sad thinking what this game could be or have been with a lot of the core decisions being about level playing field and sandbox open world gameplay. As is we have like one block and a shovel without a pail, and a broken matchbox car for our set of sandbox toys. But we’d better use our imagination becuase it’s the players fault right! Lol... woke up to like 50 upvotes for posting comments like this yesterday and 4/5 of the threads were locked by rare and redirected to the giant garbage cans that are mega threads..

  • FancyPantzMcGee

    I believe you are correct as I am a 'loser' who scuttles as a tactic, though not for the reasons that you are saying.

    It does seem that I am closer to my location of sinking when scuttled as apposed to when I am just sunk through PvP or heaven help me PvE.

    With all that said though, I can't speak as to why others scuttle but I usually scuttle when the odds are rediculous and all the enemy ship is getting is supplies.

    It, like many things in this game, is a risk loss scenario. I can waste MY time on MY ship getting spawn killed by a galleon crew, or I can scuttle and make things a bit of a p.i.t.a. for them.

    I save time and give one last noogie to my attackers.

    P.s. I'm not saying it is ok that a scuttled boat spawns closer. I'm just confirming my belief that it happens.

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