@logansdadtoo Play something that doesn't have crossplay then. It's not like this game started off without this feature, then added it in. It's been part of the game since the start.
Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.
@legandj
No, i'll play this thanks!
I'll just keep defending what i see as being best for the game & for trying to keep things fair & balanced for everyone.
The community has influenced decisions in the game before, but as you've only been part of this community for 9 days, i wouldn't expect you to know that! So if enough of us have an issue, then there is a good chance Rare will listen!And just FYI, this game did start out without crossplay & it was added in!!
I suggest you do your research m8!!!@mrn-monir Well then, I rather have smaller player base than one full with cheaters or unfair advantage PC gives (visuals, m&keyboard, hearing game chat and party chat at the same time).
I've seen the videos of cheaters but I'd never thought I will meet some. Yesterday we spotted a fully upgraded gally so we snuck up on them (it was a long swim..). Each of the b******s had to take 4 direct shots from the blunderbuss at an arms distance. We've been able to blow up gunpowder on their ship and watch it sink. When their 2 lower decks and some of the main deck was already covered in water...we got teleported back to our ship and their ship just suddenly popped back up nice and fixed with no water. I'm sure there was no lag as we sank 4 galleons in the past hour.
@legandj No it wasn't. Cross play was not in the first alphas. They've added it like a half year later.
@legandj It's not about removing it, it's about making it optional. And just for the record, I play SoT mostly on PC and I see how unfair it is and how it ruins the Xbox live experience that we're used to. If they'll make cross-play optional, I'll be back playing on my X.
@legandj You're missing the point. Sure you can complete, I can too, but the fight is still unfair. There is a clear advantage in many ways. No matter how good you are you're still handicapped on a console against a PC player. This is of course not including all the cheater's infestation that came with cross-play.
Little anecdotal story here.
I'm a member of a battlefield clan and we had clanwars against other clans. Sometimes t12, t10 but mostly t5 (5v5).
We fought against opponents that were using Xim4 instead of a controller. They performed far better with KB + mouse than with the controller. Sure they broke the ruleset we agreed upon but those players ultimately showed us the difference and the massive advantage they were having just by emulating pc controls, which isn't even the real thing.In SoT it is even worse because KB + mouse is the real thing there (actual pc players) and we don't even have aim assist (which I despise and don't want to see implemented to "balance" things out).
Most xbox players don't care about that and that's fine. They can play disadvantaged and get farmed for all I care. We just want the option(!) to disable crossplay. Literally nobody gets hurt through that and I don't understand why we have to state the obvious all the time.
Its getting tiresome.
@legandj
Another thing, we have @CNT-Thelrox here backing this argument & he was probably one of the Top console 'pvpers' during the tech alphas.
If one of the better console players is asking for the option, then surely that is saying something in itself!I personally don't care about cross-play at all: the game is as casual as it gets.
However i agree with some of the posters about the need to make it optional: cross-play is arguably not a fair ground, PC players will always find ways to make it more bearable for them (see the DPI switch on mouse aim) while console players are stuck with what they have.
Unfortunately, i have strong doubts that's ever gonna happen, because Microsoft is pushing their play-anywhere agenda super hard.
@logansdadtoo You're giving me far too much credit! I can't handle those things as a modest person lol. I wouldn't say that I was really at the top. Sure, I made a few massacres here and there but nothing that really stands out compared to others that I've met.
I just want to see a real argument against the freedom of choice (or association lol) when it comes to crossplay. I couldn't spot any so far except that either microsoft is too rich to care or too broke to risk it. I mean, come on!
Edit: I don't even know a single game with crossplay where there's no option to disable it. This option matters the most in first person shooters.
@cnt-thelrox
Give over m8, your name used to crop up quite regularly on the forums, along with Salem, Cr0ss, Sirio etc as being, how shall we say 'a reasonably aggressive player' ;)@logansdadtoo said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@cnt-thelrox
Give over m8, your name used to crop up quite regularly on the forums, along with Salem, Cr0ss, Sirio etc as being, how shall we say 'a reasonably aggressive player' ;)Argh! Enough, stop it. I like to fly below radar x)
We also have an important matter to discuss here ;D
@captain-surgee said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@mrn-monir Well then, I rather have smaller player base than one full with cheaters or unfair advantage PC gives (visuals, m&keyboard, hearing game chat and party chat at the same time).
I've seen the videos of cheaters but I'd never thought I will meet some. Yesterday we spotted a fully upgraded gally so we snuck up on them (it was a long swim..). Each of the b******s had to take 4 direct shots from the blunderbuss at an arms distance. We've been able to blow up gunpowder on their ship and watch it sink. When their 2 lower decks and some of the main deck was already covered in water...we got teleported back to our ship and their ship just suddenly popped back up nice and fixed with no water. I'm sure there was no lag as we sank 4 galleons in the past hour.
Its not about what you want. Its about the game. The game needs active players to survive. Its upto the dev to fix the issues you mentioned above. Its not a problem with pc players. The devs are too amateur to even implement any anti cheat engine into the game. If it was some early access steam game which cost 10 usd then we would understood. But SOT is FULL AAA game with cost 65 USD.
@oneshotwokill87
doesn't appear to have hurt any of the other crossplay games & ALL of them have the option to disable crossplay!!How is it that people get so worked up over asking for an option?
Options are good. They make people happy.
If someone has the perception that PC players have an advantage, then they are never going to be happy playing in the same game as them, whether or not it is true. So let them opt out and be happy.@logansdadtoo said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@legandj
Because most games that offer crossplay also include the option to disable it!!
Yes the playerbase may be cut in half, but as i stated, the server/instances are 16-20 players each, so you wouldn't even notice any difference in matchmaking, apart from possibly getting matched with more pc players. As PC players are far superior, pitting them against one another wouldn't be a bad thing would it? Surely we'd all be happy!
As i stated earlier, i will still use crossplay as i play on pc & console & a lot of my friends play on pc, i just think it would be much fairer to have a simple option to disable it if the player wishes to!At present the only game that I know of (and has been referenced) with the option to disable Crossplay is Rocket League.
Yet, Rocket League is a "Special Case" because not only was Crossplay not in the original PC Release (unless you count Linux, Mac, Windows as Crossplay., which technically it is but no one's complaining about that) but Sony refused to allow Crossplay with the Xbox One.Now ordinarily what a Company would do would either omit Crossplay (which as a note was something that had been required from the Player Base ever since the Console versions were announced) or to make a decision on which Console would exclusively receive the Game.
Except., Rocket League had been launched on the Consoles already; and actually what's worse is Crossplay had been touted as an additional Feature they were going to include at Launch of the Console Version... something that Sony's refusal to allow Cross-Platform between PlayStation and Xbox actually put in jeopardy.
The reason it can be disabled is because it was a Sony stipulation, it just wasn't removed for the other platforms. What's more with Sony refusing to allow Cross-Console., PC Players had to have the option of which Cross-Platform they wanted to access.
Now just for the record, while Rocket League has fewer Sales on Xbox., it's Cross-Platform Community is the Larger Concurrent Player Base.
This aside., many Games that have Cross-Play do not allow it to be disabled.
Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XIV, Unreal Tournament 3, Halo Wars 2, Gears of War Ultimate Edition, Gear of War 4, Forza Motorsport Apex, Forza Horizon 3, Forza Motorsport 7, Minecraft (UWP Edition), Deep Rock Galactic, Fable Fortune, Gwent, Elite Dangerous, etc.As far as I'm aware the only other Cross-Play Game that you can Disable it within is Fortnite., which like Rocket League is a Multi-Platform Title... on top of this just like Rocket League, it doesn't allow Cross-Console Play.
There might be more, feel free to list them... but then check to see how many of those are on both Consoles. Compare that to the list above where each are only available on PC and a Single Console Platform.
In fact Final Fantasy XI is most interesting because when they shutdown the PS2 Service., within a matter of weeks they announced and launched the Xbox 360 Version.
A lot of PS2 Gamers were expecting to also see an announcement for there to be a PlayStation 3 Version., which as we all know now just never appeared.While Square-Enix might not have the position to have been the first Developer to essentially force the Console Manufacturers to allowing a Game that showcases the benefits of Cross-Play., especially between Consoles.
Activision-Blizzard are in a position where they can essentially dictate that this is their plan and should they not agree they can simply shutdown the Services on their Platform.
Doing this with Overwatch would be a huge blow to said Platforms., especially PlayStation 4 which has the largest Player Base.And I say this because it's Sony at present who are being difficult in this regard for Developers. It's also why Microsoft are making such a big push with it for all of their 1st Party and Exclusive Titles.
Interestingly enough Nintendo have reached an agreement with Microsoft, so it is likely we will be seeing Cross-Play between the Switch and Xbox One. Given the rising popularity of the Switch (and classically Isolationist stance of Nintendo) … this will likely be a boon for both Companies.
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Now as for what the Harm in allowing Cross-Play to be disabled., well it's simple.
You'll Schism the Community... and don't be fooled into thinking that only Xbox Players will "Opt Out" of Cross-Play.What you'll actually see is a Schism into Windows Players., Cross-Play Players and Xbox Players... while I don't think this will be as dramatic as "Half" the Community., this is really dependant upon if Cross-Play is Enabled or Disabled by Default.
If it's Disabled., then the Cross-Play Community will likely end up being at best 8% of the Total Userbase. While if it's enabled by Default we could expect to see up to 20% of Windows and Xbox Players chose to disable it, at least initially.
So, sure you're right; that's 40-50% of the Community.
Except now you have 20% Windows, 60% Cross-Play, 20% Xbox.
You've halved the number of people in Cross-Play., dropped your own Communities by 1/5th... what's perhaps worse still here is most Cheats / BM Players / etc. will remain in Cross-Play, resulting in the "Toxic" Community not only being what most new Player Experience but a worse (larger) percentage of the Remaining Community.This won't grow the other Communities., all it will serve to do is turn people off the Game. Those who want to play with their Friends because they'll slowly quit dealing with the Toxic Elements and just find it not worth it., which will itself snowball because the more that leave means the more of said behaviour that has to be dealt with proportionally.
And New Players will assume that's just what this game is like and chose something else., a lot like they're already doing with a Unified Player Base... imagine if it was a more prevalent and obvious problem than it is now.
Oh but it gets better.
Each of these Communities will have unique problems., things that can't really be solved with a single Runtime / Server... as quite a few will likely be entirely counter to each other.
Rather than a forum discussion with Pros and Cons being discussed (Semi) Civil amongst the whole community., each will segment themselves off forcing Rare to be torn between which should be listened to (see: Eve Online., High-Low-Null Arguments, as these regions DO Segment that Community as well, which has always hurt the games ability to grow and sometimes led to notable exodus from various expansions that are like a big F-U to a specific group) … how will they best serve these new communities?
The Largest Community? The Loudest Voices?No, the demand for a Feature of this Nature; is outright little more than a Selfish Demand based upon False Pretences, Assumptions, Stereotypes (some might call Bigotry,. but what do I know, that's not how that word is commonly used today) all to avoid imagined problems with the full intent to creative divisions.
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The attitude being displayed, frankly I'm not surprised at given these are almost identical whinging and complaints I see and hear about on a daily basis in every other aspect of life.
People Crying over how others have (often Imagined) Advantages over them., as if they don't have any Advantages themselves.
Seriously listen to what is actually being "Demanded"., which is absurd in of itself... feel free to Suggest, Recommend, Request and have a civil OPEN discussion about the Merits of the arguments put forward for the Developers to take into consideration; but you sunshine (or any others) are not in a position to Demand anything.And while you might not have personally demanded, others have and you're behaving like an apologetic as a means of pandering to said Children. Who are stomping their feet and screaming blue murder until someone listens to them and accepts what they demand.
They're certainly not happy with being told "No", but it's word that they really need to learn. Given they're incapable of thinking beyond themselves.
These people are "Demanding" for the ability to have Segregation.
Essentially they want a "Safe Space" for Xbox People... whom are being played up as the Victims., incapable of possibly competing with the big bad PC People who have ALL of the Advantages to be Successful at the Game.Grow Up!
Which actually I think is deeply ironic to say as most of the Teenagers (and some that I think are below the 12 year old Age Rating., but eh, I'm getting old, it's hard to tell the difference... both have squeaky high pitched voices) who aren't complaining … no they're typically the ones that are like an endless wave of mobs that just keep coming until you run out of resources.They're not crying about needing an "Xbox" or "PC" only Space where they can play in peace... and heck most of these people are the SAME dang people who were also fully behind PVE Only Servers or Sloop Only Servers.
Are you spotting a Pattern here?
Essentially what they want to play is Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker… and I have good news! That game already exists!Im on PC, use an xbox pro controller, still wreck everyone.
The mouse tracking is pretty terrible in this game, it feels just as slow as using analogs sticks.
Let me make this easy...I fully support this... I do not want to play with or against pc players... Give me the option... As a previous pc gamer I know all to well the advantages of a mouse well as the capabilities to cheat.... I went to console to be on the same plating ground as my opponents..... Get me off of Cross play... Don't force it
@leyvin Pretty much what I have been getting at, but you explained it in a much clearer manner with extra detail. Thanks.
@leyvin said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@logansdadtoo said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@legandj
Because most games that offer crossplay also include the option to disable it!!
Yes the playerbase may be cut in half, but as i stated, the server/instances are 16-20 players each, so you wouldn't even notice any difference in matchmaking, apart from possibly getting matched with more pc players. As PC players are far superior, pitting them against one another wouldn't be a bad thing would it? Surely we'd all be happy!
As i stated earlier, i will still use crossplay as i play on pc & console & a lot of my friends play on pc, i just think it would be much fairer to have a simple option to disable it if the player wishes to!At present the only game that I know of (and has been referenced) with the option to disable Crossplay is Rocket League.
Yet, Rocket League is a "Special Case" because not only was Crossplay not in the original PC Release (unless you count Linux, Mac, Windows as Crossplay., which technically it is but no one's complaining about that) but Sony refused to allow Crossplay with the Xbox One.Now ordinarily what a Company would do would either omit Crossplay (which as a note was something that had been required from the Player Base ever since the Console versions were announced) or to make a decision on which Console would exclusively receive the Game.
Except., Rocket League had been launched on the Consoles already; and actually what's worse is Crossplay had been touted as an additional Feature they were going to include at Launch of the Console Version... something that Sony's refusal to allow Cross-Platform between PlayStation and Xbox actually put in jeopardy.
The reason it can be disabled is because it was a Sony stipulation, it just wasn't removed for the other platforms. What's more with Sony refusing to allow Cross-Console., PC Players had to have the option of which Cross-Platform they wanted to access.
Now just for the record, while Rocket League has fewer Sales on Xbox., it's Cross-Platform Community is the Larger Concurrent Player Base.
This aside., many Games that have Cross-Play do not allow it to be disabled.
Final Fantasy XI, Final Fantasy XIV, Unreal Tournament 3, Halo Wars 2, Gears of War Ultimate Edition, Gear of War 4, Forza Motorsport Apex, Forza Horizon 3, Forza Motorsport 7, Minecraft (UWP Edition), Deep Rock Galactic, Fable Fortune, Gwent, Elite Dangerous, etc.As far as I'm aware the only other Cross-Play Game that you can Disable it within is Fortnite., which like Rocket League is a Multi-Platform Title... on top of this just like Rocket League, it doesn't allow Cross-Console Play.
There might be more, feel free to list them... but then check to see how many of those are on both Consoles. Compare that to the list above where each are only available on PC and a Single Console Platform.
In fact Final Fantasy XI is most interesting because when they shutdown the PS2 Service., within a matter of weeks they announced and launched the Xbox 360 Version.
A lot of PS2 Gamers were expecting to also see an announcement for there to be a PlayStation 3 Version., which as we all know now just never appeared.While Square-Enix might not have the position to have been the first Developer to essentially force the Console Manufacturers to allowing a Game that showcases the benefits of Cross-Play., especially between Consoles.
Activision-Blizzard are in a position where they can essentially dictate that this is their plan and should they not agree they can simply shutdown the Services on their Platform.
Doing this with Overwatch would be a huge blow to said Platforms., especially PlayStation 4 which has the largest Player Base.And I say this because it's Sony at present who are being difficult in this regard for Developers. It's also why Microsoft are making such a big push with it for all of their 1st Party and Exclusive Titles.
Interestingly enough Nintendo have reached an agreement with Microsoft, so it is likely we will be seeing Cross-Play between the Switch and Xbox One. Given the rising popularity of the Switch (and classically Isolationist stance of Nintendo) … this will likely be a boon for both Companies.
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Now as for what the Harm in allowing Cross-Play to be disabled., well it's simple.
You'll Schism the Community... and don't be fooled into thinking that only Xbox Players will "Opt Out" of Cross-Play.What you'll actually see is a Schism into Windows Players., Cross-Play Players and Xbox Players... while I don't think this will be as dramatic as "Half" the Community., this is really dependant upon if Cross-Play is Enabled or Disabled by Default.
If it's Disabled., then the Cross-Play Community will likely end up being at best 8% of the Total Userbase. While if it's enabled by Default we could expect to see up to 20% of Windows and Xbox Players chose to disable it, at least initially.
So, sure you're right; that's 40-50% of the Community.
Except now you have 20% Windows, 60% Cross-Play, 20% Xbox.
You've halved the number of people in Cross-Play., dropped your own Communities by 1/5th... what's perhaps worse still here is most Cheats / BM Players / etc. will remain in Cross-Play, resulting in the "Toxic" Community not only being what most new Player Experience but a worse (larger) percentage of the Remaining Community.This won't grow the other Communities., all it will serve to do is turn people off the Game. Those who want to play with their Friends because they'll slowly quit dealing with the Toxic Elements and just find it not worth it., which will itself snowball because the more that leave means the more of said behaviour that has to be dealt with proportionally.
And New Players will assume that's just what this game is like and chose something else., a lot like they're already doing with a Unified Player Base... imagine if it was a more prevalent and obvious problem than it is now.
Oh but it gets better.
Each of these Communities will have unique problems., things that can't really be solved with a single Runtime / Server... as quite a few will likely be entirely counter to each other.
Rather than a forum discussion with Pros and Cons being discussed (Semi) Civil amongst the whole community., each will segment themselves off forcing Rare to be torn between which should be listened to (see: Eve Online., High-Low-Null Arguments, as these regions DO Segment that Community as well, which has always hurt the games ability to grow and sometimes led to notable exodus from various expansions that are like a big F-U to a specific group) … how will they best serve these new communities?
The Largest Community? The Loudest Voices?No, the demand for a Feature of this Nature; is outright little more than a Selfish Demand based upon False Pretences, Assumptions, Stereotypes (some might call Bigotry,. but what do I know, that's not how that word is commonly used today) all to avoid imagined problems with the full intent to creative divisions.
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The attitude being displayed, frankly I'm not surprised at given these are almost identical whinging and complaints I see and hear about on a daily basis in every other aspect of life.
People Crying over how others have (often Imagined) Advantages over them., as if they don't have any Advantages themselves.
Seriously listen to what is actually being "Demanded"., which is absurd in of itself... feel free to Suggest, Recommend, Request and have a civil OPEN discussion about the Merits of the arguments put forward for the Developers to take into consideration; but you sunshine (or any others) are not in a position to Demand anything.And while you might not have personally demanded, others have and you're behaving like an apologetic as a means of pandering to said Children. Who are stomping their feet and screaming blue murder until someone listens to them and accepts what they demand.
They're certainly not happy with being told "No", but it's word that they really need to learn. Given they're incapable of thinking beyond themselves.
These people are "Demanding" for the ability to have Segregation.
Essentially they want a "Safe Space" for Xbox People... whom are being played up as the Victims., incapable of possibly competing with the big bad PC People who have ALL of the Advantages to be Successful at the Game.Grow Up!
Which actually I think is deeply ironic to say as most of the Teenagers (and some that I think are below the 12 year old Age Rating., but eh, I'm getting old, it's hard to tell the difference... both have squeaky high pitched voices) who aren't complaining … no they're typically the ones that are like an endless wave of mobs that just keep coming until you run out of resources.They're not crying about needing an "Xbox" or "PC" only Space where they can play in peace... and heck most of these people are the SAME dang people who were also fully behind PVE Only Servers or Sloop Only Servers.
Are you spotting a Pattern here?
Essentially what they want to play is Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker… and I have good news! That game already exists!Haha you're killing me with your smugness and you're not only full with that I tell you sincerely, lord from the ivory tower.
And thanks for the lecture about the history of crossplay. I don't know why you wrote so much about it but it doesn't actually matter. As a customer I don't care what the corporate overlords are planning to achieve with crossplay.
All I care is about the option(!) for an equal playing field and it seems that its far too much to ask here for some suspicious reasons I guess.
Can you give me a reason why it should be allowed for both sexes to fight each other in mma? I hope you're not one of those guys that are saying that there are no physical differences between men and women. If so then please don't answer to this post. Our little exchange ends then and there.
And if you think that this is an unfair comparison then please explain me how.
The point is that women are disadvantaged to fight men physically and xbox players are disadvantaged to fight against pc players in shooter games.
It has been pointed out several times why console players are handicapped against pc players in first person shooters. Crossplay is not that much of an issue in other genres. It doesn't matter in Gwent for example and even that game has the option to opt out of crossplay.
Even in Gears of War there are restrictions to crossplay, if I remember correctly. Hm, I wonder...
I don't play Fortnite but lets assume that you're telling the truth about crossplay there. Its another shooter and you're saying that players can opt out of crossplay.I wonder why the devs implemented such a ridiculous option. Can you explain to me why that is please?
And if I want to turn this game into Wind Waker then I would advocate for removing pvp and that is actually the best part of this game.
All I ask is for an option to not have to fight against a galleon of 4 juiced up space surgeons while playing solo.
Too much to ask, eh? How about you're telling me that I should play on a pc to avoid this issue.
It's nowhere near as bad as you're making it out to be. That's all. This game is a social game, not a competitive online fps. It's pretty much the perfect candidate for the crossplay system.
@legandj And I say that this issue matters the most in this game. You want to know why? Because you can literally rob time from other people.
@leyvin What you've said about Gears of War is not true. in Gears YOU CAN disable crossplay. It's completely optional. Elite Dangerous doen't have cross-play on Xbox one, only BGS (background simulation). Another game I've tried with cross-play is Ark:Survival evolved and it's optional there too. I didn't play the other games you've mentioned so I can't really say anything but considering you've been wrong with this, I will take your comment with a grain of salt.
@captain-surgee said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@leyvin What you've said about Gears of War is not true. in Gears YOU CAN disable crossplay. It's completely optional. Elite Dangerous doen't have cross-play on Xbox one, only BGS (background simulation). Another game I've tried with cross-play is Ark:Survival evolved and it's optional there too. I didn't play the other games you've mentioned so I can't really say anything but considering you've been wrong with this, I will take your comment with a grain of salt.
Well look at this! Who would have thought? Seems to me that the option(!) to disable crossplay is pretty much standard practice. I guess all those games are dead by now just because of this one single option.
@cnt-thelrox Well crossplay is auto enabled in social. Social happens to be the only game type I can find a match in, locking me out of ranked and any other game types (I have sat in ranked queue for 30 mins +). So yes it is dead, apart from the only gamemode where crossplay is forced. See? That's the problem. If I pay for this game, I don't want to find it unplayable 3 months later.
Ark isn't a good example as it has a huge pc community due to being released on steam. If this game was on steam I really wouldn't care if they made it optional, because the steam community is huge. The MS pc gaming community is tiny. That's my main issue. I also don't think the balance issue is anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be, but whatever, we can agree to disagree on that.
@legandj said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@cnt-thelrox Well crossplay is auto enabled in social. Social happens to be the only game type I can find a match in, locking me out of ranked and any other game types (I have sat in ranked queue for 30 mins +). So yes it is dead, apart from the only gamemode where crossplay is forced. See? That's the problem. If I pay for this game, I don't want to find it unplayable 3 months later.
How about you just switch over to xbox? Just kidding.
Alright, so the game is dead on pc? You'll tell me its because of crossplay I assume? You can play social with xbox players but its impossible on ranked for you?
Did you ever ask the question why it is not allowed to play ranked with/against xbox players?
@cnt-thelrox Yes and that's fair enough. It's a competitive shooter so I get it (still sucks to have noone to play with though, I'd be happy with them implementing a forced controller check just so I could play, but I don't know if that's even possible). But with a game like this (it's more of a fun social game, no stat trackers or ranks or anything) I just don't think it should be removed. I would get an Xbox but I'm just used to 60 fps and the ability to pick and choose my graphics options as I play. I'm not against console players, and I don't just want to keep them in to have easy kills or anything, and like I said I tend to just kick back with a controller when playing this one. Honestly, if they threw the game on steam I wouldn't even be complaining because I would know that in a couple of months the game will still be alive.
Skiers and Snowboarders.
When snowboarding first became a thing, all of the skiers complained about them. All kinds of arguments for segregating the two sports. "They destroy the moguls", "They scrape all the snow down the mountain" and on and on. Eventually an etiquette evolved so that the two could get along on the hill.
However...
The two are completely different and there is no competition that pits the two against each other.
If there was NO competition in this game we could all get along just fine. But whether or not there is an actual advantage playing on PC, I perceive there to be one. And at the end of every fight that I lose I have to wonder if it was because of that advantage.
I paid for my Xbox, I paid for the game, and I paid for my Live subscription. This is 3 different decisions that I made to play on and game with Xbox instead of PC. My reasons for this are my own, but I feel like I should at least have an option to stay on the path that I have chosen.
Or is someone paying my live subscription?@legandj But there must be a reason why its not allowed to crossplay on ranked in GoW. Do you know the reason? I want to know.
Besides: Its not a good enough explanation for me to accept being forced to crossplay because a game is deemed for being non-competitive (therefore it doesn't matter somehow?). I actually find it worse to lose hours of grinding because a pc player had it easier with KB + mouse.
Edit: I don't mind losing to xbox players. In that case I will always know that I got outplayed. With crossplay enabled? Well, not so much.
@captain-surgee said in Rare, take a lesson from other highly successful games that allow crossplay.:
@leyvin What you've said about Gears of War is not true. in Gears YOU CAN disable crossplay. It's completely optional.
No, I said there was no OPTION to Disable it because there isn't.
On Gear of War (Original Release) there was a Separate Playlist, because the PC Version Lacked the DLC Maps and the Console Lacked Custom Maps (as it had a Map Editor packaged with it). You also couldn't play the Campaign Cooperative because the Console lacked the Brewmak Act.Ultimate has again Separate Playlists, but for some reason this time they claimed it was because of "Network" and "Player Balance"... so playing in that mode on PC limited you to 30FPS, but as a note said Playlist doesn't exist on Xbox (like the Original); so you have no idea if you're playing with PC or Xbox Players.
Gears 4., there are no limitations and no separate playlists; you're always playing with both Players. There again is no option to Disable it; or at least there wasn't when I jumped back on it again with the release of the Enhanced Edition.
Elite Dangerous doen't have cross-play on Xbox one, only BGS (background simulation).
Xbox One doesn't have Horizons yet., but you have the option to chose the Base Game.
Because of how Elite Dangerous handles System Instances; you enter Instances with only those with the same Expansion unless you're playing in Friends Mode.
Then Xbox Friends can join your Instance (or Visa-Versa) … they just can't Land on Planets, as such you disappear when entering Atmospheres.Another game I've tried with cross-play is Ark:Survival evolved and it's optional there too. I didn't play the other games you've mentioned so I can't really say anything but considering you've been wrong with this, I will take your comment with a grain of salt.
I've never played Ark., and I was curious if it did or didn't have Cross-Play... but as noted above, Ark is available on Xbox One, PlayStation 4 and PC.
Again, reference what I said about why Rocket League is designed the way it is.Can you give me a reason why it should be allowed for both sexes to fight each other in mma? I hope you're not one of those guys that are saying that there are no physical differences between men and women. If so then please don't answer to this post. Our little exchange ends then and there.
I don't see any problem with them being able to compete at all...
The entire point in the MMA is that anyone can Compete to see whose the best Fighter regardless of Fighting Method.Women are typically smaller, lighter, more nimble and more agile... while most will not be able to over-power their opponent; that isn't the only way to Fight an opponent.
Of course IF said Women Trained essentially in a form that relies on Power for a Women' League and then tries to take on a Man of a similar Strength Orientated Style; that'll end badly and you're right they wouldn't be competitive.If however (like most Boxers do when they face different weight class opponents) they change their tactics, their training focus and strategy to outlast, out manoeuvre and strike with precision that uses their opponents advantages turning them into liabilities; well then there's no reason they can't be Highly Competitive.
You want a more in-game example... it's like taking a Sloop against a Galleon.
Sure the Galleon has an obvious advantage in terms of raw damage and tank... but that doesn't mean it's a guaranteed one-way fight.Your assumption that it would be such, is entirely YOUR mistake.
Said arrogance of such actually more typically leads to a greater success rate for them as well because when you don't see something as a threat, you take it less seriously and merely make yourself an easier target to overcome.@leyvin
In all of these examples, someone has made a choice to fight in a different class.
I would imagine that a 110 lb woman would kick the c**p out of a 110 lb man, but you don't FORCE a woman to fight in the men's class. An option is given and a choice made.
We are not being offered an option. That's all that has been asked by the OP.
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