I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.

@zer0t1m3 I don't even join random groups - never have, that being said all my friends are bored af of this game. They don't want to do voyages because we've already done a tonne - we used to stop for shipwrecks but that's become too tedious to even drop the anchor for.

We only pop on now and then to pvp and all we see is sloops - not very fun or challenging when your a 4man co-ordinated crew.

I've seen a lot of the fanboys turn around since post launch and say "actually you're right this game is lacking" but there's a stubborn few who might take another week to turnaround.

@zer0t1m3 said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

then the next 40 hours you'll be in denial, pretending that it really IS a good game as long as you use your imagination, give the creators some credit for their hard work etc etc.

This is bang on the button for me, I was in denial for a long time once I hit 30 ish in gold hoarders and realized its no better than 1 I started to snap out of it and come to the realization this game could be great but in is current state is just garbage then I spent the next 10-20 hours just chasing people around trying to force PVP at every turn and now I'm back on league of legends browsing the internet looking for the next game to pump some hours into...either that or go back to Black Desert Online but who knows this game isn't going to be worth playing for atleast a year.

well duh socialaizin in gaems iz hard for peeplez
me head hurtz

@mindofmadness69 You might need to reread what I said; I didn't say anything about how much money Rare had when developing the game, only that they didn't have the money from game purchases until around the time it released.

I didn't defend Rare, attack them, say they were broke, say they were rich, or anything even remotely close to in between.

So yes, I "have an actual idea of W*F I'm talking about."

@sweetcalf942652 said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

I didn't defend Rare

One more time I guess; I wasn't defending Rare, I was pointing out an issue I saw in the forum post. Unrelated. To how much money. Rare had. During development.

1. You should play with friends and use some voice chat software to coordinate properly.
2. The game is not an mmo. It's more comparable to a battle royale or a moba. Treat it accordingly. It's not a PvE game, it's not a story adventure game, and it's certainly not an mmo. It's a pirate battle royale. The quests and loot just serve as an incentive to do PvP.
3. Every PvP encounter I've had was unique in its own way and incredibly fun. I suspect your experience would change dramatically if you had proper mates to play with. There's nothing repetitive about it.
4. The price is indeed a bit steep. You should probably complain to Microsoft about that. But your math is flawed anyway, since not all of those 1 million sells have been made in Australia. In Europe, the price is 69€, which is still expensive for a game - thanks consoles.
   But Rare does not get all of that money. After Microsoft takes their cut, after taxes and expenses, they're left with a fraction of it.

@nebenkuh Battle royale with 16 ships most of them being 1 man sloops that have no interest in fighting.

Also please stop using the "play with friends" I have and when one group of friends got bored I played with another and guess what? they got bored too along with me.

Searching the Seas for an hour for a galleon to fight isn't fun, voyages aren't fun, shipwrecks aren't fun, exploring islands aren't fun because maybe out of 10 islands you might find 1 chest.

The pvp is good when you're actually against another crew of 4 but when all you see is 1 man sloops it's just a couple of shots and it's down - boring.

@sweetcalf942652 said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

@sweetcalf942652 said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

I didn't defend Rare

One more time I guess; I wasn't defending Rare, I was pointing out an issue I saw in the forum post. Unrelated. To how much money. Rare had. During development.

The point I was making, is that THAT is what they charged for the product, when it is clearly rubbish. I would bet that the strategy was to over-hype and sell fast, I don't think Microsoft EVER intended for the game to be as good as they made it look through the millions they dumped in advertising it. Their marketing department was probably bigger than their content development team lol. They probably expected the reaction too. It's daylight robbery.

@nebenkuh "It's a pirate battle royale."

Really? I don't ever remember Rare selling it like that. But I guess we need to start calling the game something it was never meant to be since we've got to come up with some way to defend it.

"The quests and loot just serve as an incentive to do PvP."

No, they don't. People are more than happy to do PVP for no reason whatsoever. Loot and quests were just a sad attempt at giving the game content.

"Every PvP encounter I've had was unique in its own way and incredibly fun. "

Yes, this is true. Until the same ship you just sank returns seconds later, fully stocked, and you realize that the battles are meaningless.

@snakey9419
Maybe you just dont know how to have fun.
I don't know what you've been doing, but I spot other ships pretty much as soon as I climb up the crows nest. Whenever there's a fort going on, you're likely to find people there.
Granted, voyages are repetitive in their structure, but they're not really what the game is about, and they seem to be always a little different even when you've been to the same island before. I definetely find random drops more frequently than on 1/10 islands. Maybe you're just not looking hard enough?

I understand why some people feel there is a lack of content. But claiming the game simply isnt fun sounds more like you're the problem. Maybe the game's just not for you.
I didnt have fun in PUBG. Guess what I did? I stopped playing it. :)

@snakey9419 "shipwrecks aren't fun"

Boy, you said it. Seen one you've seen them all.

@zer0t1m3 You're absolutely correct.

They dumped a tonne of money into marketing just look at all the random c**p they've done.

The whole stunt with blasting a guy out of a cannon for guiness world record.

The xbox controller.

Paying for it to be an advert on one of the biggest screens in central london and new york (not cheap).

All the random props and cosplay s**t in their "dev talks" series. Instead of making those props for youtube videos maybe they should have actually made more stuff to do or at the minimal more than 4 sets of clothing in a game where your only progression is COSMETICS.

@ethnine
Learn to read. I never said the game was marketed as a BR or MOBA. But that's clearly what it is. It certainly isnt an mmo. I know, because I've spend over 2 years of actual lifetime playing mmos. Edit: It's obviously not an RPG either. I guess Rare and MS did a bad job at describing their game, and that's where a lot of grief is coming from.

@spec24
I agree that respawn times could be longer. But you cant seriously deny that stealing other peoples loot is not a way to incentivize PvP.

@nebenkuh Stop saying it's a battle royale - it isn't.

Battle royales all have something that draws all the players to action i.e gas, storm. That is the CORE mechanic of a battle royale without that mechanic it pubg would become dayz in a way, just walking for miles until you eventually stumble upon someone.

@zer0t1m3 That's some serious stages of grieving. Games shouldn't do that to a guy.☹️

One question though, does games really cost $99?

@nebenkuh said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

1. You should play with friends and use some voice chat software to coordinate properly.
2. The game is not an mmo. It's more comparable to a battle royale or a moba. Treat it accordingly. It's not a PvE game, it's not a story adventure game, and it's certainly not an mmo. It's a pirate battle royale. The quests and loot just serve as an incentive to do PvP.
3. Every PvP encounter I've had was unique in its own way and incredibly fun. I suspect your experience would change dramatically if you had proper mates to play with. There's nothing repetitive about it.
4. The price is indeed a bit steep. You should probably complain to Microsoft about that. But your math is flawed anyway, since not all of those 1 million sells have been made in Australia. In Europe, the price is 69€, which is still expensive for a game - thanks consoles.
   But Rare does not get all of that money. After Microsoft takes their cut, after taxes and expenses, they're left with a fraction of it.

seriously dude? 69 euro is 110 aud, your math is flawed, not mine. And also, this game is not PvP primarily, cause often you dont see a ship for 30 min plus. PvP interactions are scarce and guess what? They too get boring. I've sank tons of ships, half the time the other crew wants none of it and runs off, the other half they will engage and then sometimes its an hour long battle of awkwardly trying to manoeuvre a massive galleon. And that's only galleon on galleon battles.

So what if we sink them, what would we get? Maybe some loot that again is useless, and most often you dont get loot. So you are saying this game is only playable under all the rules you've listed, it's got virtually no room for solo players etc? Why even have those options then? Why have a solo sloop option. If you're saying that they intended people to use quests just as a "side thing" as an excuse to get into PvP battles, that would be the dumbest thing for Rare to do, why even bother advertising the quest side of the game pre-release? They clearly did not intend the game to be that way. That is an excuse you've adapted to explain away the utter lack of content in the quest side of the game. How much better could the game have been if they made elaborate quests for crews to solve together?

Ultimately this game amounts to being a glorified chatroom, with 4 people only, in the best possible scenario.

@snakey9419
Okay, for people who take everything literally:
Sea of Thieves, to me, is more of a Battle Royale than it is an MMO or RPG.

Besides, it's got forts and loot and outposts where you turn in the loot. That is drawing players to the action. You can cross the entire map in what, 10 minutes? It's not really hard to get into trouble if you're looking for it.

@zer0t1m3
Honestly mate, if you can't understand why 1 million sales does not amount to 99 million $ in Rares pockets, idk what to say to you.

Regarding your other points, I'm sorry, but it honestly sounds like you're just not very good at the game. When I'm sailing around the map, I see plenty of ships. I barely go 10 minutes without spotting one. I also dont find the maneuvering to be awkward. You got sails and an anchor - use them to your advantage.

How is loot useless? You can sell it for gold.
Where have I said the game is not for solo players?

@zer0t1m3 said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

As soon as you login, 80% of the time you will be with a crew that doesn't know anything or doesn't give a damn and just throw anchors at random etc... So a large part of my game is already spent cycling until I find a somewhat decent crew.

Then when you do log in, well you can play about 40-100 hours worth of this game, the first 20 will be great cause of all the eye candy etc, cause of your expectations of a pirate mmo game and then the next 40 hours you'll be in denial, pretending that it really IS a good game as long as you use your imagination, give the creators some credit for their hard work etc etc. Then after about 80 to a 100 hours depending on your attention span, personality etc, you would be hardpressed to be able to play this game more than 10 minutes at a time. Because the truth of the fact that it is all utterly repetitive, inconsequential drivel won't be avoidable no matter what excuse you tell yourself.

Cycling through servers to find a semi decent crew, other ships after you killed them to come back and harass you, glitches galore, and the ultimate aim of unlocking different skins for a scant number of weapons and ships, 2 ships, 3 weapons.

And then we're charged $99 dollars in Australia. Similar or more in every other place apart form USA and I bet they got atleast 1 million straight buys so far. That is 99 million dollars, Rare, is this all you can come up with with 99 million dollars?

Then go play minecraft...

@ethnine
"Multiplayer Action Adventure Sandbox Game"
Sounds pretty accurate. Also I can't seem to find the words MMO or RPG in there.
If they labeled the game an RPG, that would be, imo, a faulty description, or they have a very loose definition of what an RPG is.

But please tell me, what is so dang hard to understand about the statement "the game is more like a BR or MOBA than it is an MMO?" Comparing the gameplay with games of those genres, my statement is quite literally true.

@nebenkuh said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

2. The game is not an mmo. It's more comparable to a battle royale or a moba. Treat it accordingly. It's not a PvE game, it's not a story adventure game, and it's certainly not an mmo. It's a pirate battle royale. The quests and loot just serve as an incentive to do PvP.

Hmmmm🤔 interesting theory. This isn't an MMO or PvE its a "pirate battle royale."

So we are looking at it the wrong way I assume is what you are getting at.

Lets go with that...

MOBAs usually have a plethora of weapons, vehicles, defensive abilities and varried fighting environments.

SoT has 3 guns, 1 melee, 2 ships, 1 ship weapon(that you can't move around) and...a bunch of water. Just so we dont lose track that's 4 variations of personal weapons you can use, of those 4 you can equip 2.

The only defense options are bananas and sword block (if you have it equipped).

Your character has about as much movement ability as the 1st Doom game in 1993. There is no crouch and they cant even climb up a small small ledge.

A horrible respawn mechanic that can lead to unending battles with the same player(s) because their is no score systems or match timers or any measurable way of "winning".

There is no KD ratio or progression system to judge improvement. And no, cosmetic are no indication of experience. Our first Legendary Pirate proved that.

Even as a MOBA or a Pirate Battle Royale lacks astounding amount of content. So for the sake of this game I hope you are not right because that means this game has missed the mark by further than most of us thought.

@theothervillain
Obviously there could be more content, but the game very clearly is balanced around giving everyone the same chances in a PvP environment.

"So we are all looking at it the wrong way, I assume is what you are getting at."

If you read some of the suggestions that people make, then yes, that is what I'm getting it. The SoT that I play and have yuge amounts of fun in is a PvP based game that lets you find some treasure on the side - but more importantly lets you steal other players treasure. It plays like a Pirate PayDay, it feels a bit like a MOBA or BR, it certainly does not feel like any MMO or RPG I've ever played.

Rare themselves stated that this was kind of a new genre, so maybe that causes a lot of confusion when we try to put the game into the boxes we know. This game is not Skyrim with Pirates, it's not Uncharted with Pirates or AssCreed with Pirates of Warcraft with Pirates.

@theothervillain said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

@nebenkuh said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

2. The game is not an mmo. It's more comparable to a battle royale or a moba. Treat it accordingly. It's not a PvE game, it's not a story adventure game, and it's certainly not an mmo. It's a pirate battle royale. The quests and loot just serve as an incentive to do PvP.

Hmmmm🤔 interesting theory. This isn't an MMO or PvE its a "pirate battle royale."

Lets go with that...

MOBAs usually have a plethora of weapons, vehicles, defensive abilities and varried fighting environments.

SoT has 3 guns, 1 melee, 2 ships, 1 ship weapon(that you can't move around) and...a bunch of water. Just so we dont lose track that's 4 variations of personal weapons you can use, of those 4 you can equip 2.

The only defense options are bananas and sword block (if you have it equipped).

Your character has about as much movement ability as the 1st Doom game in 1993. There is no crouch and they cant even climb up a small small ledge.

A horrible respawn mechanic that can lead to unending battles with the same player(s) because their is no score systems or match timers or any measurable way of "winning".

There is no KD ratio or progression system to judge improvement. And no, cosmetic are no indication of experience. Our first Legendary Pirate proved that.

Even as a MOBA or a Pirate Battle Royale lacks astounding amount of content. So for the sake of this game I hope you are not right because that means this game has missed the mark by further than most of us thought.

if it is a battle royal I am actually not interested too much. Ship battles are fun when they happen but it should not be the goal. The goals should be in PvE and since we are pirates when those goals conflict we take aim . That is just my vision though. I thought this was Rare's vision too from the videos i've seen

@nebenkuh My bad, i edited that phrase you quoted out but I put it back in for consistency.

Back to the subject matter

Yea, so even if we go with your argument, they failed to deliver content by a MOBA standard.

What PvP game has four weapons unless it's unique character like a fighting game? Your character doesn't move like it's designed to flee or chase. The ship has 1 weapon that you can't even move or modify.

So this is an appropriate level of "PvP" content to you?

@x1-two said in I'm already bored and cant play more than 5 minutes.:

@zer0t1m3 So you're saying the game is interesting for 60 hours. Isn't that way more than your typical game? And I am sure you were at one point also a newbie that was just figuring out how it all works. Don't complain, help.

Now that you bring that up that's probably why they didn't put a tutorial in this game. They figured you would eat up some time trying to figure out how to play. I was wondering why something as novel as sailing and map navigation wouldn't have some kind of instructions. I see why.