The toxic player base is going to kill this game

  • JinnaiTag

    Brand new player trying to just do my first quest. Capture and turn in 2 animals to a specific outpost. I move out, get the two animals, head towards the outpost I must turn these in at and see a galleon parked there. Having read these forums my heart immediately sinks. Yep. People going to try to steal my two chickens. They have no idea what I have, they just see a sloop coming in. I'm pretty good at driving so I manage to park right on the dock without taking damage. Close enough I can literally jump across without getting wet. The whole time I'm being bombarded by canon shot but I turn in both chickens without getting hit. Yay server bug I get no gold or reputation but it does say voyage complete at least. I walk off and the galleon KEEPS TRYING TO SHOOT ME. This is no longer trying to steal someone's treasure and is now just griefing. Hey it's a player that's not part of our crew! Let's kill them! I swim to their ship, kill two of them, and wound a third before the last two take me down.

    The guide suggests players should HELP new players. But that's not what's happening at all. I have a group of 12 friends that wait to see what I think of a game before they purchase, because I tend to have a little more disposable income. If I have to get into a fight every time I encounter another player, and it's acceptable for ships to camp outposts, then this game is not going to live long. I'm definitely not recommending it to any of my friends. This is not a PUBG or Fortnite style game. The player base will quickly dwindle and soon just those campers and griefers will be left. With no prey they will grow bored and leave. The game will be dead in less than six months unless Rare addresses this.

    Yes, I've seen many posts complaining of griefers and campers. Yes, I've seen the reviews for this game plummeting. Microsoft Store rating is hilarious. Yes, I knew I was getting into a PvP game and I'm all for PvP in the world fighting over the same resources. But when you're forced to turn in at a specific outpost, not that it matters because every outpost I visited had at least one galleon camping, people who bought this game thinking they were going to get a Pirate simulator are going to be disappointed. It's going to devolve to battles at outposts and no longer actually running missions or even raiding a fort. But hey, then Rare won't have to come up with new content.

    Countdown to flood of "you shouldn'tve bought this game if you didn't want PvP" flood of replies.

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  • Mat and Rach
    Ship Mate

    @jinnaitag I think its fun this way, its what the game is about. Greedy Pirates.

  • Mat and Rach
    Ship Mate

    @jinnaitag i was playing around solo had no Cargo big galleon attacked me, Ram my ship in a big storm, Heard them laughing from mic. Could not help laugh myself, b******s left me in a stormy sea with sharks. dam fun it was.

  • oeGStefan
    Master
    Founder

    It's written as clearly as possible in the crew select screen: Sloop, especially soloing, is much more difficult and for experienced players. A galleon seeing you soloing a sloop will assume, you are experienced and know what you do. They will fight you.... cause you obvisiously want it that way...

    If you get your friends on and you play with 4 players together on a galleon, you will see the bright sight of the game. It's entertaining, challenging and a social pleasure. Give it a try ... you don't need to be a greedy pirate. There's a lot who aren't.

    I allways state: I will counter attack any aggressive behavior .. but for the freedom of new players sake... if they don't want a fight, let them go. Mostly it works out...

    Be yer own pirate-style pirate. But let the others be their's.

  • JarOfPeachz

    @jinnaitag here's some advice for situations like this. park your ship on the opposite end of the island from where the galleon is camping. quickly drop your cargo onto the beach, and make your ship sail away by itself in a straight line as a possible decoy.
    it's kinda your fault for parking the sloop within the line of cannon fire if I understand your post correctly. always keep in your mind that anyone and every one will probably shoot you because shooting at things is fun for them. you just need to play smart.

  • Grumpy Old Fox
    Marauder
    Insider

    It is my sincere hope that as months go on, those who are constantly griefing other players will stop playing, or Rare will make the outposts a safe zone.

    I'm all for skulduggery on the open seas, but working hard (sometimes for hours) to find what you need to complete a quest, only to be robbed as you make port, is disheartening and something the developers should have fixed.

  • Hobosloth28
    Marauder
    Insider

    if you don't want to PvP you absolutely can play this game. it just takes extra skill to avoid conflict. an art which i think is fun to learn and improve. Things to keep in mind are that the sloop is much more maneuverable than the galleon and the galleon is much faster than the sloop. so when sailing you want to play to those strengths. if your being chased by a galleon in a sloop doing a quick handbreak turn and then going back towards the galleon can can help you escape as the galleon takes it's time turning around to continue pursuit. Another tip is heading into a storm, I've lost many threats in the dark of the storm.

    so this game does have a large PvP presence but it is avoidable if you know how to do it.

  • OneInsightning

    Of course it doesnt feel great but thats nothing unusual in a game called Sea of Thieves. Just play and do your best. Dont live with the premonition that this game will always result in a conflictless mission. Wouldn't it be boring then?
    Play long enough and you'll get enough gold to fullfill your needs anyway instead of complaining here in the forums.

  • Anndy578
    Founder

    lack of content will destroy it FAR faster then toxic players.

  • CheeseMogul7566
    Ship Mate

    The only thing saving this game from a downright terrible amount of content is the PVP experience, even if u don't try to get in fights, it will eventually happen, and its fun no matter what side of the fight you are on.

    This will be happening to you until theres more content to enjoy, instead of people wanting to ruin people's day.

  • WLBCrash
    Marauder

    Never stop at an outpost if you see a ship nearby... there's always a way to win or get out of trouble. Always.

  • syntxerr
    Master
    Insider
    Founder

    Probably not a popular opinion but some player or crew trying to kill you just for the fun of it is not really griefing in m opinion.

    Spawncamping or otherwise hunting you down repeatedly trying to ruin your fun is. But simpl attacking another plaEr? Come on, let’s not exaggerate. This is a PVP game after all and then you went in for kills anyway so wasn’t that fun?

    I am genuinely afraid that this whole exaggeration and complaining ever time someone gets killed once somewhere will actually ruin this game.

  • backstreetboy69

    @mad-fox-mcgeek It should not take you hours to complete any quest in the game. If so, you are doing something very wrong

  • BAKAsama83
    Marauder

    I solo on a sloop n i stealth this. 1. If u gonna solo on a sloop git gud like we other solo players had to learn. 2. Its a pirate game. Its gonna happen man. 3. You taking the game too seriously. Either look around n nibja a outpost by weighing anchor where they didnt see you or search to another outpost. 4. If you running from a galleon on s sloop, a sloop is faster. Make sure u angle your sails to wind at full to outrun em.
    Tbh the game wont die cause u guys cant have your way. This isnt Disney Pirates of the Carribean Online. Its Sea of Thieves n Rate already said everyones full game friend. U just gotta get better

  • SEBARIO

    The trouble is the lack of content after 4-6 hours of quests there really isn't much to do thats fun. Loot isn't worth going after so people have just resorted to deathmatch on the high seas because it's a new released game and people wanting to play it.

    After the weekend we shall all see a large portion of the player base move on to other things because of boredom.

  • godslayer1975
    Sailor
    Insider

    @sebario said in The toxic player base is going to kill this game:

    The trouble is the lack of content after 4-6 hours of quests there really isn't much to do thats fun. Loot isn't worth going after so people have just resorted to deathmatch on the high seas because it's a new released game and people wanting to play it.

    After the weekend we shall all see a large portion of the player base move on to other things because of boredom.

    agree its empty game and boring im happy i did not buy it ata $90 after tax here but get it with gamepass. the game is fun as i solo it but its not tweaked in anyway for solo and its same 4 style quest nothing more even when i search for cursed chests its still same as gold quests . also disney pirate vibe is so kiddie would rather of had Black flag pirates but the micro transactions will kill the game off just look at prices 800 000 a ship part some weapons 90 000 and you get 1000 a chest and thats being nice .

  • AliOgun0022
    Ship Mate
    Founder

    I completely agree with the op. I get that some people will be drawn to the pirate game and this is what the game is. However there are people like me that don't care for that aspect alot of the time. I came to this forum to post this. I played in beta and some guy decided it would be fun to sink my ship while I was on a quest. He continued to do this multiple times and it just killed the experience for me. It wasn't fun. I will say that I have had less issues with this since launch. I just read the polygon review where the reviewer said this very thing (regardless of your feelings for polygon, it proves this isn't just a few people feeling this way). Idk what the solution is. The option to have a friendly only world vs a normal game world? Otherwise a lot of people are going to just quit playing. Rare, have you guys discussed this? If not can you?

  • DutchDeadSchot
    Master
    Insider
    Founder

    @jinnaitag “and now it’s just griefing” um dude you are a real player in a world full of real players. They’re going to kill you. That’s what this is.

  • FirstRarewolf
    Castaway

    I agree with you OP. really hate this, cause i dont have anyone that wants to play, and then there isnt anyone with a *@)# mic at all.

  • TamPosla

    Sea of Thieves.

    Not Sea of Merchants, or Sea
    of Chicken Farmers, or Sea of Kraken Spotters.

    If you let yourself become the prey then sure, you’ll get eaten alive. Otherwise bemorepirste: use cunning, misdirection, skullduggery anything really that gets you gold. Or don’t even care about that - I’m perfectly happy bobbing about in my scruffy patched up boat with threadbare clothes and a cheap eye patch.

  • LoboFH
    Marauder
    Insider
    Founder

    I completed right now my first Skeleton fort.

    While I was sailing there I see a docked galleon. Well, I had not loot in the ship so I said to myself they will kill me on sight but who cares.

    I dock in the other side and start killing the towers gunners and then proceed to the central arena where the other guys were fighting, I fight the skeletons in front of them to make clear my stance, no tricks, not sneaky tomfooleries, just fair cooperation. They were only two and my help was worthy, I even killed another gunner and warned them that they should repair their ship as it got serious damage.

    I fight hard and even kill the boss...and they simply give me the stronghold chest, they told me that I deserved it. Then I sail merrily to an outpost...Rare, you owe me a bunch of doublons, by the way, clean those rusted servers XD

    Ok, perhaps I will try the same dozens times and I wil be killed on sight, but just allow yourself to be surprised by people, you will remember more these cooperation moments than the hilarious backstabbings.

  • JinnaiTag

    The replies are mostly what I expected. But I wanted to be clear, it's not that I'm against PvP in this game. I love that aspect and think it fits perfectly. If I'm on the open seas or if I'm trying to find treasure on a deserted island and encounter other players it only makes sense we're going to go at it. That's what being a pirate is.

    My complaint is about the players sitting at outposts with canons loaded and trained on the turn in NPCs that just wait for people to show up to open fire on them. I mean, why bother actually going anywhere or doing anything when you can just claim someone else's reward when they try to turn in?

    It's not an issue of "git gud" either. As I mentioned, I turned in both chickens and the server decided to give me nothing for it. I went one on four and killed two before they took me down. If this fight had happened on the island I was trying to collect the chickens I would've written a post about how awesome and fun it was.

    My only complaint is people camping the outposts. And with this quest, sailing to a different outpost wasn't an option. Not that it would matter because there was a galleon camped at every single outpost I visited.

    If that camping game is the game you want, great. Keep playing it that way. Just realize you're going to chase off far more players than attract. Players that want pure PvP won't bother with this game, they're going to be over playing PUBG, Fortnite, Hunt, or Overwatch.

  • syntxerr
    Master
    Insider
    Founder

    The thing is and I believe that Rare said that somewhere once, that in order for one to have fun in PVP there needs to be someone on the losing end.

    So obviously some moments will cause frustration and it does not work without it. Learn and move on.

    At some point you will be on the winning end and it will be super sweet. But for that someone else needs to suffer a bit.

    It seems a real lot of people are complaining because of getting killed in some outpost. Many of which didn’t even lose anything significant. Seems to be just the fact that they got killed in a situation they didn’t like.

  • Padd
    Castaway
    Founder

    I don't know how people are so bad at the game they have this much difficulty avoiding other ships lol

  • Melli Mel FTW
    Marauder

    I'm also kind of with the OP on this one. I suffered some griefing/bullying a few times in my session tonight. Rather than change the base of this game, though, I would prefer an option to select a different game mode for those of us that are more objective driven. That leaves the original mode untouched but still allows more casual players an opportunity to check it out.
    I'm sure they don't have the base for this yet, but it might also help to have "crew only" and "solo only" option so at least you know if you're playing solo you're not going to get g*********d by a group of 4. I hate to compare it to a BR game because that's not really what it's supposed to be but it would be leagues better if we were able to filter our options in the way you can with those types of games. I really, really really don't want this to become a pirate themed Battle Royale. Not once did I encounter someone that didn't have the "must kill" mentality. I thought I'd at least be able to make one morally-questionable friend. :(

    And on that note, if anyone would like to squad up, let me know! I'll be playing most afternoons until an event pops up in another game. ^_^

  • LoboFH
    Marauder
    Insider
    Founder

    @jinnaitag dijo en The toxic player base is going to kill this game:

    The replies are mostly what I expected. But I wanted to be clear, it's not that I'm against PvP in this game. I love that aspect and think it fits perfectly. If I'm on the open seas or if I'm trying to find treasure on a deserted island and encounter other players it only makes sense we're going to go at it. That's what being a pirate is.

    My complaint is about the players sitting at outposts with canons loaded and trained on the turn in NPCs that just wait for people to show up to open fire on them. I mean, why bother actually going anywhere or doing anything when you can just claim someone else's reward when they try to turn in?

    It's not an issue of "git gud" either. As I mentioned, I turned in both chickens and the server decided to give me nothing for it. I went one on four and killed two before they took me down. If this fight had happened on the island I was trying to collect the chickens I would've written a post about how awesome and fun it was.

    My only complaint is people camping the outposts. And with this quest, sailing to a different outpost wasn't an option. Not that it would matter because there was a galleon camped at every single outpost I visited.

    If that camping game is the game you want, great. Keep playing it that way. Just realize you're going to chase off far more players than attract. Players that want pure PvP won't bother with this game, they're going to be over playing PUBG, Fortnite, Hunt, or Overwatch.

    How do you know that they were camping?, perhaps they were shopping, now they watch an insensate sloop sailor and they think: hell, why not?, this is a pirates game, let's kill this scurvy dog and steal his booty, yarrrr, perhaps your intentions were to sink their ship, they can't know.

    I still didn't meet a real outpost camper in two days, obvioulsy I don't dock in a busy outpost, merchant alliance quests have insanely lenient deadlines, you could always to wait or visit a close island and wait they leave, most of the times they leave as soon as they are done with the shopping and chatting and drinking in the pub.

  • brandonblk
    Seafarer

    @crash4654 he HAD to stop there though thats what sucks about the animal quests
    Tbh i don't mind PVP just if it was a little less oh look i see a ship, die. if everyone was like, 20% more friendly, that would be nice, but yknow this is the internet what do you expect.
    i think there should be a flag on the top of your ship that changes colour when you have attacked someone this means that players can tell if you are friendly or an animal outpost camper, ofc the flag would slowly fade back to white (a bit like gta v onlines mechanic but less stupid)

  • xPUREHATEx28

    @jinnaitag said in The toxic player base is going to kill this game:

    The replies are mostly what I expected. But I wanted to be clear, it's not that I'm against PvP in this game. I love that aspect and think it fits perfectly. If I'm on the open seas or if I'm trying to find treasure on a deserted island and encounter other players it only makes sense we're going to go at it. That's what being a pirate is.

    My complaint is about the players sitting at outposts with canons loaded and trained on the turn in NPCs that just wait for people to show up to open fire on them. I mean, why bother actually going anywhere or doing anything when you can just claim someone else's reward when they try to turn in?

    It's not an issue of "git gud" either. As I mentioned, I turned in both chickens and the server decided to give me nothing for it. I went one on four and killed two before they took me down. If this fight had happened on the island I was trying to collect the chickens I would've written a post about how awesome and fun it was.

    My only complaint is people camping the outposts. And with this quest, sailing to a different outpost wasn't an option. Not that it would matter because there was a galleon camped at every single outpost I visited.

    If that camping game is the game you want, great. Keep playing it that way. Just realize you're going to chase off far more players than attract. Players that want pure PvP won't bother with this game, they're going to be over playing PUBG, Fortnite, Hunt, or Overwatch.

    I disagree with you completely here. THE MAIN attraction for this game was the PVP... Or did you miss that? This game is meant to have an unforgiving dangerous feel. Especially with the fact that there is ZERO progressive leveling system. So you're not being ganked by players who out gear or out level you.

    If you got ganked at an outpost... you probably should have picked a different outpost. The situation definitely could have been avoided had you chosen.

    Here, let me tell you of an experience I had last night. I've just completed several voyages, and I've got about 8 chest or so on board. I pull into port, and begin unloading and selling my loot.

    I'm down to my last 2 chests to be turned in. As I'm in the bay of my ship, I hear a single player boarding my ship. We fight to the death in the bay of my ship. HE SUCCESSFULLY JACKED ME.

    Yup, I was frustrated. But guess what? It was fun. Dude caught me off guard and capitalized on me. Good on him.

    Stop being soft...

  • brandonblk
    Seafarer

    @xpurehatex28 he couldnt chose anouther outpost though because of the stupid animal quests

  • WLBCrash
    Marauder

    @brandonblk I have yet to come across one of those merchant voyages that I didn't have 3 days left over to turn it in. It gives some really generous time

  • brandonblk
    Seafarer

    @crash4654 Oh yeah, it gives you loads of time, just it still keeps it at the same outpost, yknow the same outpost with the 4 player camp team

  • WLBCrash
    Marauder

    @brandonblk they'll leave, in the meantime just sail off for an in game day or two and complete some other stuff

  • xPUREHATEx28

    @brandonblk deal with it? Wait it out or move on to something else.

  • brandonblk
    Seafarer

    @crash4654 you would be supprised how stubborn people are :P

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