I like the game and running into other players although I think when your playing solo you shouldn’t be able to run into a full 4 man squad as they alwase have the advantage.
I think it contradicts the facts that there’s no progression in te game in the sense that you can’t even get armour or better weapons, but then you can run into massive boats with 3 cannons facing either way, how is this fair?
I personally don't want the game to be completely fair. I've had more than my fill of that in other games. I think for a pirate game it just makes sense that players can gain unfair advantages over others. It can happen with a galleon against a solo sloop. It can also happen through in-game alliances. I really don't see the harm in going the extra step and having advantageous equipment. We already have the blunderbuss grind at the start of each reset. I would love it if there were several hundred more items/weapons like that to spice up the game (not RPG levels/gear, just items with different strengths and weaknesses).
@zx7t So you were playing alone while a galleon crew sank you? Easy fix: Join a galleon crew.
Don't advocate for balancing when its not needed.
I got smashed by a galleon crew in my last session, so what? I had four chests on board and I let them fight hard for it. They earned those chests thru outplaying me and I congrulated them. It took them nearly 40 minutes.
They outnumber you therefore it should be harder for you to survive, otherwise there's no reason to crew up in the first place, if a full 4 man crew has no advantages.
@zx7t Having sailed solo, with another person and on a 4 man boat i can completely agree with your statment. 4 man boats have a huge advantage and some will attack a 1 or 2 man vessel just to kill them. While on a 1 and 2 man vessel i always made sure to steer clear of 4 man boats. While on a 4 man ship if i saw a 1 or 2 man boat in the vicinity i never even payed any attention to them unless they fired first since we could easily destroy them. I'm hoping when the game is released 1 and 2 man boats are put on servers with more 1 and 2 man boats and less 4 man ships
About the same opinion, though I would not say it is a matter of advantage/disadvantage. Yes, it is obviously an advantage in numbers. Yes, skill can sway the victory. However, I do not understand why the game does not in any way distinguish between the two ships in terms of rewards. Let me explain this statement.
In my opinion, a realization that just recently occurred to me, the problem is it does not matter if you have a small crew or a big crew when it comes to the rewards. Since a sloop is likely to have the same amount of loot as a galleon and it is easier to pick off, then, of course, the galleons are going to pick off the sloops.
If larger crews gained considerably more rewards from voyages, then galleons would want to go after galleons. The fight would be more difficult, but the reward greater. This would also encourage us to group up. Likewise, it would be worth it to say two sloops to engage a galleon. This was more common practice by pirates than sailing a larger and more visible galleon.
this is simply not true, the only reason your getting sunk by galleons is because they have a greater understanding of game mechanics, ive witnessed sloops sink galleons plenty of times, its hard to make the argument on my part because ive never been sunk but ive watched it happen and have had sloops give us a run for our money but ultimately get outplayed by superior cannon shot placement and strategy. the galleon is quite hard to maneuver, harder to get repaired, harder to bail water from in comparison to sloops. the sloop is infact OP especially operated by a 2 man crew
I think there should be an advantage if you have a 4 man vs 1 man. But I also think there could be some adjustments. If I am a 1 man ship and am a great shot and hit 3 cannon shots right near each other, it should be harder to patch as it would be a bigger hole. In addition, perhaps damage beyond a certain point shouldn't even be repairable? Or you can damage cannons, masts..etc. It would add a bit more to the combat which is pretty simple right now. 1 man can get a good shot in and damage a cannon or mast and the advantage will lessen.
Or how about taking a barrel of gun powder and sneaking up to a nearby ship, putting it in the water near it and then setting it off?
I like the game. I see a lot of potential for it - so far with the minimal content it seems they may have kept things far too simple when a little more options and complication could add a lot more to it. I'm looking forward to the release to see all the other content (hopefully a lot) and to see what else they have planned as time goes on.
I solo sloop almost exclusively. They do have an advantage because of their numbers but that doesn't mean they win. I've dealt with more than a few pretty terrible galleon crews where I was able to easily grab their treasure and leap off the side or watched them all leave their galleon completely deserted long enough for me to raise the anchor and point it at something to smash into. True, I have been absolutely wrecked by almost as many galleons but it comes down to keeping at it and taking advantage of weaknesses. If you see a gallon spend time watching it to see if the crew is weak or not by how the ship acts/reacts. Sometimes it takes some planning, sometimes just out-of-the-blue smashing headlong into them and leaping like a superhero onto their deck works just as well.
OR simply avoid them. Galleons are faster than sloops unless they're sailing into the wind. Sloops can easily out manuever them. Just watch which way they're turning, do some laps around big rocks or islands if you have to. I had one chase me for almost an hour before it finally just gave up and went for somebody else. It's a steep learning curve to solo and the best way to learn is to do.
@fayzon11 said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
this is simply not true, the only reason your getting sunk by galleons is because they have a greater understanding of game mechanics, ive witnessed sloops sink galleons plenty of times, its hard to make the argument on my part because ive never been sunk but ive watched it happen and have had sloops give us a run for our money but ultimately get outplayed by superior cannon shot placement and strategy. the galleon is quite hard to maneuver, harder to get repaired, harder to bail water from in comparison to sloops. the sloop is infact OP especially operated by a 2 man crew
It's now my goal to sink you. With a sloop. Have at you!
For real though I sink more frequently in a galleon with people that can't coordinate actions then I ever will in a 2 man sloop that we run like a gravy train.
Yes @SpiderMonkey484 I totally agree that would make things a lot easier for solo and double players, @Natsu-v2 I’m it saying I want the game to be totally fair as I would rather be able to earn better equipment too, although I would rather it be more RPG style, what you said is good to though. But the facts that a four man ship can just wrack a sloop rewins the game for me as teams don’t alwase want to cooperate so sometimes I’d rather just play solo or with one person
@zx7t God this complaint again. It's a game meant to be played with friends. It's not meant as a solo game. They even say right at the start before you click the button that solo play is difficult and only for really experienced people. Join a crew. I'd rather they just take the solo option out altogether so we have to stop hearing from people who haven't bothered to read.
@sn0w37 said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
@fayzon11 said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
this is simply not true, the only reason your getting sunk by galleons is because they have a greater understanding of game mechanics, ive witnessed sloops sink galleons plenty of times, its hard to make the argument on my part because ive never been sunk but ive watched it happen and have had sloops give us a run for our money but ultimately get outplayed by superior cannon shot placement and strategy. the galleon is quite hard to maneuver, harder to get repaired, harder to bail water from in comparison to sloops. the sloop is infact OP especially operated by a 2 man crew
It's now my goal to sink you. With a sloop. Have at you!
For real though I sink more frequently in a galleon with people that can't coordinate actions then I ever will in a 2 man sloop that we run like a gravy train.
i invite the challenge good sir, my crew and i are 67-0 :) but in saying that i have a deep understanding of the mechanics and our crew is organized and on mics with set roles so we do very well, and we do only try to fight galleons unless a sloop opens fire on us first, which happens more than you would think i might add.
@lordblackwolf13 It's kind of already like that. Assuming both crews have the same voyage material, a galleon is more likely to have stuff on it. Their ship is faster in a straight line for going from island to island. And they can also send multiple people to each island, some can pick up the random chests, and others can dig up the main chest. Even if a solo player finds random chests, they have to make multiple trips to their sloop with a chest in hand. So while the rewards are the same, the galleon accomplishes stuff a lot more quickly.
@scheefinator said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
@zx7t said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
I like the game and running into other players although I think when your playing solo you shouldn’t be able to run into a full 4 man squad as they alwase have the advantage.
I think it contradicts the facts that there’s no progression in te game in the sense that you can’t even get armour or better weapons, but then you can run into massive boats with 3 cannons facing either way, how is this fair?
@lordblackwolf13 said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
About the same opinion, though I would not say it is a matter of advantage/disadvantage. Yes, it is obviously an advantage in numbers. Yes, skill can sway the victory. However, I do not understand why the game does not in any way distinguish between the two ships in terms of rewards. Let me explain this statement.
In my opinion, a realization that just recently occurred to me, the problem is it does not matter if you have a small crew or a big crew when it comes to the rewards. Since a sloop is likely to have the same amount of loot as a galleon and it is easier to pick off, then, of course, the galleons are going to pick off the sloops.
If larger crews gained considerably more rewards from voyages, then galleons would want to go after galleons. The fight would be more difficult, but the reward greater. This would also encourage us to group up. Likewise, it would be worth it to say two sloops to engage a galleon. This was more common practice by pirates than sailing a larger and more visible galleon.
So you're saying a sort of carrying capacity is needed and a galleon would hold more?
That, or it is a matter of the value of the chest dug up. If a 4 person crew digs up a chest, it is worth say 400. If a solo player digs it up, it is worth 100. In the end, the 4 person crew sells the chest and each player gets 100. The solo sells it and they get 100.
Edit for clarity: If the 4 person crew takes the solo's chest, it is still worth only 100. Whereas a solo selling the four-person crew's chest is worth 400.
I solo and get attacked by 4 person crews all da time bruddha. Here’s what you gotta do.
Use islands, rocks, and your better turning boat to your advantage.
Go against the wind.
They won’t be able to catch up.
While you’re sailing against the wind shoot yourself back at them while your boat is positioned to keep going forwards and slaughter the whole crew. They tend to leave you alone after that lol.
Just get good dude.
@avarice27 I did read thanks and yeah I understand it’s going to be hard but but I had a full squad spawn trapping earlier I was docked at an outpost and they shot my ship so I sniped one of them and then got sniped by the other three and then I spawned on my boat where they where just standing killing every time I spawned, I had no chance!
@natsu-v2 id quote you but I don’t know how😂. But yeah that’s the benefits of being in a crew then and that’s obviously fine, that’s if you can get a decent crew that actually want to cooperate though
I personally love the 1v4 but I will say the only annoying part is I can’t sink them. But I will say doing laps around them and good timing you can get 5-6 shots in their side while they hit air. The small ship is hard to hit. And if they sink you just respawn get on their ship hide and wait for them to attack someone or go for treasure then unleash your revenge.
@jollysaintknick 😂😂😂 most the time when they attack me I’m docked up at an outpost or island and can’t do anything I’ve been spawn trapped like 3-4 times now and I’ve just had to go off the game haha
@zx7t said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
@natsu-v2 id quote you but I don’t know how😂. But yeah that’s the benefits of being in a crew then and that’s obviously fine, that’s if you can get a decent crew that actually want to cooperate though
it takes a bit of time, i didn't magically get my A class crew first session. i added good players as friends and formed a good regular group from multiple sessions, just keep an eye out for good experienced players.
@avarice27 said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
@zx7t God this complaint again. It's a game meant to be played with friends. It's not meant as a solo game. They even say right at the start before you click the button that solo play is difficult and only for really experienced people. Join a crew. I'd rather they just take the solo option out altogether so we have to stop hearing from people who haven't bothered to read.
Leave it, I like their stories 0:)
If you are getting spawn killed then scuttle the ship and spawn somewhere else.
The Sloop is faster so if you get sank by a Galleon you just did not play your environment correctly. A 2 person Sloop crew that is communicating together can take out a team of "Randoms" on a Galleon easily.
If you are new to the game you should be learning how to play the game on a Galleon.
I was attacked in a single person sloop by a 4 person galleon. They stole my one chest while I was diving in a sunken ship and made a hasty get away. I nearly killed one and he was left in the water by his team. Then chased down the others and shot up their boat. They never sank me, and I continued to pursue them. Would have sank them had it not been for me getting thrown over board by an explosion. Had to find a mermaid to get back. In short, yes, a 4 person team does have some advantage, but a smaller boat is hard to hit and the person using it can be just as deadly if using proper tactics. In other words, quit whining and play, or get more friends.
@zx7t I can give you a valuable tip but it has its risks.
If you start a session solo and you're on an island looking for treasure, keep an eye out for those gunpowder barrels. Take them on board and place them on the crows nest. That way you don't get sunk when they explode.
If you get chased by a galleon then turn your ship against the wind, wait till they're perfectly lined up behind you. Look in front of you to make sure that you don't hit any rocks or islands.
Restock your Ammo and Bananas, pick up the gunpowder barrel and jump off your ship.
Wait till the Galleon is close, drop the barrel and swim away from it asap and try to grab their ladder. By that time, the barrel already exploded, probably knocked 1 or 2 guys off the ship and you can drop their anchor and finish the rest.
Highly risky, highly rewarding and won't work always but it is a chance to get rid of them that way.
@cable0312 if those are my options you can keep the old fashioned musket-like barely useful munitions and I'll keep the cannons, they won't jam with a grain of sand in them :)
and naval strike package sounds dirty...tell me more
@cable0312 said in 4 man boats have an unfair advantage:
So what, you want an M16, 7 mags, and a naval strike package to make things fair when you CHOSE to be outnumbered by playing solo.
This was amazing. And terribly accurate. People get upset when they are out numbered and getting attacked by Galleons but they CHOSE to sail alone knowing that it is much more difficult sailing alone than on a full crew. As someone who has played the game for awhile, I DO NOT recommend new players start their first voyage on the sloop. Get on the galleon first. Learn how everything works, then get on the sloop.
I just don't see the logic in their complaints, For example: I like going to beach but I don't know why there is sand, I like going into the water but I don't want to get wet, Last but not least, I like going to sailing to Somalia but I don't like Somalian pirates. Please just get on a galleon or play hello kitty island adventure, where there is 0% chance to be harmed.
HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY SIR.
Personally if I'm on a sloop and get fired on by a galleon i make it a game to ram them as many times as possible. They wilm sink me but when i respawn just head right at them. The other option is wait for them at an island when they pull up hide on their ship and just play music as you run around... i dont know why they kill me... i just want to be friends
