This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it)

The overwhelming majority of games where there are paid & free cosmetics, the best ones are paid.

They're not a charity or a not-for-profit. They're a business for making money.

The whining about this is insufferable.

Still gonna buy it. (If it looks good)

@sweetsandman said in This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it):

The overwhelming majority of games where there are paid & free cosmetics, the best ones are paid.

They're not a charity or a not-for-profit. They're a business for making money.

The whining about this is insufferable.

It depends. There are two camps currently not in favour of what's happening.

Some want the Blackwyche to be added to the gold stores. I don't think that's realistic. It was clearly designed as an Emporium item.

However, I am in the camp that's against lore being in the Emporium. The Blackwyche and Arthur Pendragon are now integral to the lore of Sea of Thieves.

I don't always agree with Captain Falcore but he was right on this one. If they wanted to reference the Blackwyche series, they should have picked a different name for the set and not referenced the links to Sea of Thieves at all. If they had called it The Entombed Spirit, for example, I doubt we'd be having this discussion.

Reducing the conversation to "whining" only helps move the lines by making it seem like anyone with concerns is being unreasonable.

@RealStyli

I'm in the camp that doesn't care about lore.

Make the game fun. That's the only thing I care about.

Change the name to the Black Sandwyche and laugh to the bank, Rare.

@sweetsandman said in This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it):

I'm in the camp that doesn't care about lore.

So the same camp as Rare, it seems.

@realstyli Did people whine voice their concerns about the Pirates of the Caribbean stuff being in the emporium? Or is it not considered part of the lore (despite it being the biggest, most successful expansion to the story in the game's history)?

@sweetsandman

1. Pirates of the Caribbean is owned by Disney.
2. Although some of the character costumes have their POTC names, they changed all the shipset names for the Emporium (e.g. Black Pearl = Eternal Freedom, Flying Dutchman = Cursed Ferryman).

@realstyli

1). Yeah it's owned by Disney. It's also the largest most successful expansion to the story that the game has ever or will ever see.
2). So like...if they just changed the name, nobody would care? Man, I don't understand the lore community.

@metal-ravage said in This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it):

It is almost childish to be so intense about such trivial things. Every dev has the right to make a profit from their work and RARE gave us 8 years of free updates.

What are you on about "free updates?" When has any game implemented paid updates? Also, these updates have been HORRIBLE, it has reached a massive consensus that Rare has failed to do their job and their attention is now SOLELY (key word) on emporium sets (which by the way are becoming lazier)

Personally I love this game and I don't mind to pay in order to support the devs. There is nothing wrong with thinking otherwise, yet calling for a boycott for such a matter seems like overreacting to me.

It really isn't, this is simple protesting. Not paying for a product because you disagree with their direction is perfectly normal, many companies recently have been affected by this. Look at Roblox, a game so heavy with controversy and the communities are voicing their opinions by not buying Roblox-related purchases. In the real world, activists refuse to buy from companies that test their products on animals, which is why many products have a cruelty-free sticker on the package.

@sweetsandman said in [This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it)]
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2). So like...if they just changed the name, nobody would care? Man, I don't understand the lore community.

The lore community (to my knowledge) wants that and the logos removed if it's gonna be in the emporium. I mean they still care, but that's not the point, the lore community has been dry for ages and now new lore is basically a paid fee

@karminiumsot said in This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it):

What are you on about "free updates?" When has any game implemented paid updates?

I mean there's plenty of examples of paid dlc expansions, but Witcher 3 comes to mind as a popular one.

@sweetsandman DLCs are optional while updates are required, totally different things

@sweetsandman said in This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it):

@realstyli

1). Yeah it's owned by Disney. It's also the largest most successful expansion to the story that the game has ever or will ever see.

If we're being real here, Disney most likely wanted a large chunk of money for that crossover. That wasn't going to come from a free update. So the Emporium stuff was seen as a crossover like with Borderlands or Destiny.

2). So like...if they just changed the name, nobody would care? Man, I don't understand the lore community.

Some people would care, absolutely. But not as many of the lorists.

But the point is that Rare is trying to say that the set is a reference to the old Blackwyche game only. That would be fair enough, as we have other sets that reference older Rare games. The issue is that they are saying that while having item descriptions and marketing that specifically reference its place in Sea of Thieves lore.

So, changing the name won't make everyone happy, but it would at least back up Rare's claims that it has nothing to do with the Blackwyche from Sea of Thieves.

@karminiumsot said in This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it):

@sweetsandman said in [This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it)]
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2). So like...if they just changed the name, nobody would care? Man, I don't understand the lore community.

The lore community (to my knowledge) wants that and the logos removed if it's gonna be in the emporium. I mean they still care, but that's not the point, the lore community has been dry for ages and now new lore is basically a paid fee

Getting the logo removed, while ideal, isn't necessary (and very unlikely). The "B" logo is based on the cover title art from the Blackwyche game. Really, I think a name change on the set would be the ideal compromise here.

Afterall, none of the other Rare game "inspired" sets use the name of the actual game in their Emporium set (Bear & Bird, Royal Squirrel, Paradise Garden, Fightin' Frogs), so why is the Blackwyche an exception? Unless Rare are intentionally blurring the lines with the Blackwyche from Sea of Thieves.

I’m absolutely against buying the set, but chances are the average person playing the game has no clue what it’s about. They’ll see a cool set and blow money on it because it’s cool. It’s hard to blame them as the controversy this set has brought isn’t obvious unless you research it.

Personally, I don’t care that the set is in the Emproium, what I care about is the developers acknowledging the overwhelmingly negative feedback but refusing to do anything against it. Combined with the imbalance between the Gold Store and the Emporium being ignored, it feels like a big slap in the face; rightfully so to those who have already spent tons of money in the Emporium.

The people who complain that everyone is “whining” about this set being in the Emporium or calling people giving negative feedback about it “entitled” I’ve toned out completely and should be ignored. Feedback is feedback, positive or negative. Trying to devalue that feedback because you disagree with it is significantly more immature than those voicing valid concerns, which isn’t even a problem. Obviously you’re allowed to criticize feedback, but using those words doesn’t actually provide any value or solution to the problem.

@callmebackdraft don’t forget they’re now censoring people for speaking out against it. Insider forums were littered with this controversy, and now this censorship leaking into main forums.

Rare has stabbed us in the Back so often by now, that i am beyond the Point of caring by now.
It started with the controversial decision of locking the two most sought after Curses behind a poorly designed PvP only Mode, despite the Game clearly being advertised as a Open World Pirate Sandbox Adventure Game with PvE Elements and organic PvP encounters, continuing into raising the Level Cap to 100 Reputation each faction, able to Prestige 5 Times, and the veterans who have been maxed out for YEARS beforehand, received nothing, aswell as throwing Story and Lore entirely out of the Window, and now it ends here.
I will still by the Blackwyche, since its my Second Favourite in Game Ship ever, and i wont Hope for any betterments in the future.
Like i Said, i am beyond caring by now...

@realstyli What about The Monkey Island stuff? Much like The Blackwyche and Pendragon, its "lore" is rooted in inspiration from some old pirate video games that many of us didn't play. Pendragon and Blackwyche were just the first to do it in the SoT world. Again, I don't remember there being this type of outcry when those cosmetics were dumped into the emporium, and they certainly didn't go out of their way to rename stuff at the expense of catering to the lore community.

@ghutar said in This is just malicious, words are getting ignored, talk with your money now (or the absence of it):

@sweetsandman probably becouse Monkey and PoTC character were cameos and Pendragon was made full fledged mainish character in SoT :)

They definitely did a much better job with the story back in the day. No debate there. The origins and inspiration are the same, though (for Monkey Island and Blackwyche): classic video games.

@callmebackdraft I mean sure I guess if we're grasping at straws to justify they outcry.

I get the impression that there's 2 real differences.

• The first being how poorly they actually integrated those inspirational stories/characters compared to Pendragon and Blackwyche. Had Rare done as poor of a job integrating Pendragon into the lore as they did with PoTC and definitely Monkey Island, nobody would care. Those felt like extremely elaborate bolt-ons as opposed to an integral part of the storyline.

• The second is that Blackwyche is a much lesser known classic game. I'd venture to guess most SoT players know Pendragon and Blackwyche to be a SoT lore origin as opposed to its own independent series from 40+ years ago that was brought into the SoT world. I'd guess that most players (even me who has never played it) know Monkey Island for being its own thing. And PoTC speaks for itself and would never be confused for having SoT origins.

Instead of praising Rare for doing such a good job integrating one classic pirate story and condemning them for doing such a bad job integrating other classic pirate stories, the vocal minority are upset that Rare is trying to make a few bucks off a cosmetic to help fund further development of the game. It's just so wild to me.

I hope that if Rare gets the opportunity to bring Hook into the SoT world, they focus on integrating the story better than they did with PoTC or Monkey Island for the sake of the lore enthusiasts.

The real problem—and this is what some people here don't understand (while being incredibly condescending toward those with negative opinions)—isn't just the existence of ship sets in the Emporium: it's the whole package!
Everything’s been going wrong for a while now, and we know by now that Rare isn’t listening to us! Rare doesn’t care about our opinions! - So what’s the point of asking then?
If there were just one ship set tied to SoT’s internal lore that you had to pay for, honestly, I wouldn’t care much, but the only thing I notice is that Rare is doing everything it can to sabotage its own game!

When people say that Rare is a business and needs to make money, sure, but there are a thousand ways to make money—and that’s been the case for a long time!

And if Rare wants us to give them money by buying skins, maybe they need to SERIOUSLY rethink their strategy! Because fewer players also means less revenue! And releasing a lore-based ship set certainly isn’t going to tip the scales!

I also hope players stop buying anything. - Maybe that will finally make Rare rethink things.
As for me, I decided a while back to stop giving them money! The only skins I get are through Microsoft Rewards!

I’d also like to add that I no longer believe Rare’s excuses until things ACTUALLY change!
I’d rather Drew stop wasting his breath and time making apology videos—false apologies—and instead start working to improve the game.

@zeyrniyx

I also hope players stop buying anything. - Maybe that will finally make Rare rethink things.

I mean that would just turn SoT into a literal dead game instead of a figuratively dead game.

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Being upset that their content has missed the mark, their rebalances have only made things worse, and the bugs and glitches have gotten out of control are all completely valid things to get riled up about. They've genuinely done a bad job on all those fronts for longer than Drew has been admitting it.

Being upset about what they choose to monetize is a missed mark by the community, though. You argue it's a culmination of all those things and this is another straw on the camel's back, but this is a straw that the vocal minority in the community is throwing on, not Rare.

I'm going to buy this ship set, put it on a fresh ship, and name it "Monetized" just for the luls.

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@zeyrniyx

I also hope players stop buying anything. - Maybe that will finally make Rare rethink things.

I mean that would just turn SoT into a literal dead game instead of a figuratively dead game.

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Being upset that their content has missed the mark, their rebalances have only made things worse, and the bugs and glitches have gotten out of control are all completely valid things to get riled up about. They've genuinely done a bad job on all those fronts for longer than Drew has been admitting it.

Being upset about what they choose to monetize is a missed mark by the community, though. You argue it's a culmination of all those things and this is another straw on the camel's back, but this is a straw that the vocal minority in the community is throwing on, not Rare.

I'm going to buy this ship set, put it on a fresh ship, and name it "Monetized" just for the luls.

You're forgetting one thing: they've always said that lore-based ship sets wouldn't be pay-to-win. That's the problem.
So if they're contradicting themselves, it's certainly not the players' fault. It's up to them to be consistent.

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@zeyrniyx

I also hope players stop buying anything. - Maybe that will finally make Rare rethink things.

I mean that would just turn SoT into a literal dead game instead of a figuratively dead game.

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Being upset that their content has missed the mark, their rebalances have only made things worse, and the bugs and glitches have gotten out of control are all completely valid things to get riled up about. They've genuinely done a bad job on all those fronts for longer than Drew has been admitting it.

Being upset about what they choose to monetize is a missed mark by the community, though. You argue it's a culmination of all those things and this is another straw on the camel's back, but this is a straw that the vocal minority in the community is throwing on, not Rare.

I'm going to buy this ship set, put it on a fresh ship, and name it "Monetized" just for the luls.

And you're right that we're probably a vocal minority, but what you're forgetting to mention is that this minority clearly has reason to be concerned, given the exodus of players.
If it were just this minority and the game were in good shape, I would have agreed with you, but the situation is this: a vocal minority of dissatisfied players—which likely reflects the opinion of a majority—plus the exodus of players, plus the developers’ own admissions that something is wrong.

When discussing this issue, we need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

@zeyrniyx

You're forgetting one thing: they've always said that lore-based ship sets wouldn't be pay-to-win

Not knowing exactly what they said and only looking at your words, I can tell you that these cosmetics - while paid - are definitely not "pay-to-win". There's no tactical advantage to them or (mostly) any other paid cosmetic in the emporium. Ironically, the Cutthroat Cannon Flair is probably the most notable "P2W" cosmetic, which is not only an ode to another Rare IP, but also bears the name of the movie that has numerous and deep lore ties in SoT; Cutthroat Island (Morningstar, Reaper, Capt. Shaw, etc.).