Its probably been talked about before, but the cheating in hourglass is over the top. If i play 10 games, im getting atleast 1, often 2 cheaters. I think making it so that you have to be pirate legend to play hg would reduce these numbers. The obvious answer to the problem is just getting a working anti-cheat, but that is currently a far away dream.
limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?
@invertedweaver said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
Its probably been talked about before, but the cheating in hourglass is over the top. If i play 10 games, im getting atleast 1, often 2 cheaters. I think making it so that you have to be pirate legend to play hg would reduce these numbers. The obvious answer to the problem is just getting a working anti-cheat, but that is currently a far away dream.
Are you recording and reporting these cheaters? If yes, you're helping them fight against them. If not, complaining isn't going to help the situation. In before thread gets locked and they tell you to record and report. Help the cause.
@invertedweaver 1 in 40 players have pirate legend, and even if you assume half of all players are gamepass players, that means 19 out of every 20 players can't access hourglass under your system. You said you wanted more people to play it right? How is pirate legend even a deterrent anyways? You can get PL in a single day, especially as a cheater. That said, there is no way you are getting cheaters that often. I have played nearly 1000HG matches and have Ally 320, both curses, and I have seen 2 cheaters across all my time playing HG, and only one of them was someone I would say was cheating for absolutely sure.
@europa4033 I think a lot of people have given up on reporting due to them just coming back and back on alts etc.
I think making it so that you have to be pirate legend to play hg would reduce these numbers
Something you can reach in 12 hours with all the bonuses. That won’t stop anyone
Most cheaters have alt accounts already ready on the back burner.If hourglass is full of cheaters. I wonder how the rest of the game is. The fights between random encounters not help by a tool.
This isn't complaining about one cheater, it's suggesting an improvement that would make hourglass 1000x better.
@europa4033 no reason to get grumpy, hes just coming with an idea to make cheaters less prevelant in hg which rare obviously has a hard time doing. Is he not allowed to complain? They keep saying they are going to do something about it, but nothing improves. When they implemented the "new" anti-cheat, guess what, you could just turn it off in task manager. Hes paid money for this game same as i, they least he can demand is that hes allowed a fair and square fight dont you think?
@potatosord well honestly if longer que times are the trade off for matching less cheaters, im in 100%. i mean last dev update video they said they were gonna expand the matchmaking to look for matches in other regions if none can be found in your own.
Something you can reach in 12 hours with all the bonuses. That won’t stop anyone
12 hour grinds after every account gets banned is a major deterrent, I don't understand why you think it isn't.
Most cheaters have alt accounts already ready on the back burner.
Rarely do you ever see a cheater with more than 12 hours on their account.
If hourglass is full of cheaters. I wonder how the rest of the game is. The fights between random encounters not help by a tool.
Cheaters are almost always either targeting "namers" or rage baiting/boosting in hourglass. Cheats didn't even become a known issue until hourglass was released in season 8.
@kianonboard said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
@europa4033 I think a lot of people have given up on reporting due to them just coming back and back on alts etc.
That doesn't matter. The more we report, the better.
@worst-tdmer said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
This isn't complaining about one cheater, it's suggesting an improvement that would make hourglass 1000x better.
Yeah, the "improvement" is getting a working anti-cheat, which seems to imply that the current one isn't? Every game has cheaters. Does the anti-cheat catch them all? No. I shudder to imagine what the game would look like if we had none. The more people record and report, the better. Help keep our seas clean.
@herman-bulb1060 said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
@europa4033 no reason to get grumpy, hes just coming with an idea to make cheaters less prevelant in hg which rare obviously has a hard time doing. Is he not allowed to complain? They keep saying they are going to do something about it, but nothing improves. When they implemented the "new" anti-cheat, guess what, you could just turn it off in task manager. Hes paid money for this game same as i, they least he can demand is that hes allowed a fair and square fight dont you think?
No idea where you get that I'm grumpy, but thanks for assuming that. Also, how do you expect them to do anything about what you see another player doing specifically, if you're not recording and reporting it? At least meet them half way will ya? No reason to be snarky.
Yeah, the "improvement" is getting a working anti-cheat
If you read the post, the improvement being suggested is putting a major deterrent on where the vast majority of cheaters spend their time and make their money, by time/level gating Hourglass.
Does the anti-cheat catch them all? No. I shudder to imagine what the game would look like if we had none.
I don't know of a single case where EAC has ever correctly identified and banned/removed a cheater. The game had no anti-cheat for the first 6 years of its life, cheats were considered a myth for 5 of those, until hourglass was released.
The more people record and report, the better. Help keep our seas clean.
Players have no incentive to "record and report". It takes longer to report a cheater than it does for that cheater to make an alt.
This suggestion incentivizes "record and report" by putting an actual barrier for entry on cheaters.
@worst-tdmer said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
Yeah, the "improvement" is getting a working anti-cheat
If you read the post, the improvement being suggested is putting a major deterrent on where the vast majority of cheaters spend their time and make their money, by time/level gating Hourglass.
Does the anti-cheat catch them all? No. I shudder to imagine what the game would look like if we had none.
I don't know of a single case where EAC has ever correctly identified and banned/removed a cheater. The game had no anti-cheat for the first 6 years of its life, cheats were considered a myth for 5 of those, until hourglass was released.
The more people record and report, the better. Help keep our seas clean.
Players have no incentive to "record and report". It takes longer to report a cheater than it does for that cheater to make an alt.
This suggestion incentivizes "record and report" by putting an actual barrier for entry on cheaters.
Apparantly you haven't seen the complaints people have had on Twitter, where Drew indicated that it's a sign that EAC is working as intended.
Secondly, if players have no incentive to record and report, how can they fix it? I don't know what you want Rare to do here. The reason why they need you to record in the first place, is because they need proof. Otherwise I can report anyone who simply sunk me. What do you expect Rare to do here, take your word for it without proof? You want them to do something, yet you don't bother recording and reporting it. You're not helping the situation any, but by all means keep complaining about it. Half the playerbase complains there's no new content, the other half complains they want them to work on bugs/glitches first, and to wait on new content. Then people complain about cheaters, but don't bother reporting it. I swear.Apparantly you haven't seen the complaints people have had on Twitter, where Drew indicated that it's a sign that EAC is working as intended.
Ah yes, EAC is intended to ignore cheaters breaking the game physics in the most obvious detectable ways.
Secondly, if players have no incentive to record and report, how can they fix it? I don't know what you want Rare to do here.
You don't have to wonder brother, I literally spelled it out in the reply you read before you typed this post. Here it is again:
"Players have no incentive to "record and report". It takes longer to report a cheater than it does for that cheater to make an alt.
This suggestion incentivizes "record and report" by putting an actual barrier for entry on cheaters."
I.e. I want Rare to incentivize reporting by putting actual weight behind bans with in game deterrents.
You're not helping the situation any, but by all means keep complaining about it. Half the playerbase complains there's no new content, the other half complains they want them to work on bugs/glitches first, and to wait on new content. Then people complain about cheaters, but don't bother reporting it. I swear.
None of this is abject complaining, this post is identifying an issue and suggesting an improvement. As of right now there is no reason to report cheaters when they can make an account in 2 minutes and be back in your game. That would change if the suggestion in this post were implemented.
@worst-tdmer said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
Apparantly you haven't seen the complaints people have had on Twitter, where Drew indicated that it's a sign that EAC is working as intended.
Ah yes, EAC is intended to ignore cheaters breaking the game physics in the most obvious detectable ways.
Secondly, if players have no incentive to record and report, how can they fix it? I don't know what you want Rare to do here.
You don't have to wonder brother, I literally spelled it out in the reply you read before you typed this post. Here it is again:
"Players have no incentive to "record and report". It takes longer to report a cheater than it does for that cheater to make an alt.
This suggestion incentivizes "record and report" by putting an actual barrier for entry on cheaters."
I.e. I want Rare to incentivize reporting by putting actual weight behind bans with in game deterrents.
You're not helping the situation any, but by all means keep complaining about it. Half the playerbase complains there's no new content, the other half complains they want them to work on bugs/glitches first, and to wait on new content. Then people complain about cheaters, but don't bother reporting it. I swear.
None of this is abject complaining, this post is identifying an issue and suggesting an improvement. As of right now there is no reason to report cheaters when they can make an account in 2 minutes and be back in your game. That would change if the suggestion in this post were implemented.
Not exactly. There are videos of players making PL in less than 24hrs, and that was done legit. Imagine if a cheater did it. Even if they did implement this, it wouldn't affect cheaters one bit. They'd probably have alts lined up.
Here's the responses I made to these arguments in this very same thread:
There are videos of players making PL in less than 24hrs, and that was done legit. Imagine if a cheater did it.
"12 hour grinds after every account gets banned is a major deterrent, I don't understand why you think it isn't." Even a 4 hour grind would be a major deterrent, especially when cheater accounts rarely last longer than a day.
Even if they did implement this, it wouldn't affect cheaters one bit. They'd probably have alts lined up.
"Rarely do you ever see a cheater with more than 12 hours on their account."
@worst-tdmer said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
Here's the responses I made to these arguments in this very same thread:
There are videos of players making PL in less than 24hrs, and that was done legit. Imagine if a cheater did it.
"12 hour grinds after every account gets banned is a major deterrent, I don't understand why you think it isn't." Even a 4 hour grind would be a major deterrent, especially when cheater accounts rarely last longer than a day.
Even if they did implement this, it wouldn't affect cheaters one bit. They'd probably have alts lined up.
"Rarely do you ever see a cheater with more than 12 hours on their account."
Yeah, I'm not reading and remembering what everyone posted. Sorry. No time for that. There are people who don't cheat who make PL in record-times. It'd just be an inconvenience for them, not a major deterrent. Have some alts at PL already, then go farm HG with someone who could benefit from it.
You don't have to, as I posted it right there in the message you're replying to.
There are people who don't cheat who make PL in record-times. It'd just be an inconvenience for them, not a major deterrent.
Again: "Even a 4 hour grind would be a major deterrent, especially when cheater accounts rarely last longer than a day."
Have some alts at PL already, then go farm HG with someone who could benefit from it.
And again: "Rarely do you ever see a cheater with more than 12 hours on their account."
@worst-tdmer said in limit hourglass availability = less cheaters?:
You don't have to, as I posted it right there in the message you're replying to.
There are people who don't cheat who make PL in record-times. It'd just be an inconvenience for them, not a major deterrent.
Again: "Even a 4 hour grind would be a major deterrent, especially when cheater accounts rarely last longer than a day."
Have some alts at PL already, then go farm HG with someone who could benefit from it.
And again: "Rarely do you ever see a cheater with more than 12 hours on their account."
And again, I don't think you know cheaters very well, or what they'd do to counteract this requirement. Especially if they're being paid for their services.
@invertedweaver
Devs have already confirmed they plan to implement some type of requirement in hourglass to gatekeep those cheaters on brand new accounts. No specifics or timeframe thoughAnd again, I don't think you know cheaters very well
You say that, but you seem to think there's a massive number of cheaters who have PL accounts lined up, when almost every hard cheater is on a fresh account with a few hours played.
The only way they'd be able to counteract this requirement is by grinding for hours to get PL, or buying PL accounts that someone else grinded.
Both are major deterrents when those accounts get immediately banned within hours of playing.
@worst-tdmer @Europa4033 indeed this is an easy equation, the time and money cheaters would have to spend if this were to be implemented might outweigh the five dollars they get from boosting little billy to the ghost curse. Imagine you clock in to work, but before you begin your work you have to do 100 laps around the block. I would quit my job then and there. This wouldnt fix the problem, but im sure it would greatly reduce it.
If main reason for cheating in HG is to sell account with curse or boos somebody account.. then yeach eny way to make hope into HG longer than just creating an alt account would be deterrent and @Worst-TDMer have right.
@Europa4033 stated that he dosen't knoe cheatera buuuut ain't they lazy, weak folks so eny time/work gated deterrent would filter some % of them.
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