Are we surprised? Probably not.
But clearly Rare does not care to solve this issue. A person with 2 guns should not be able to quick swap and shoot faster than I can eat a piece of fruit.
Thanks Rare. This is why your game is in decline.
May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning
@lord-spark-0 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Are we surprised? Probably not.
But clearly Rare does not care to solve this issue. A person with 2 guns should not be able to quick swap and shoot faster than I can eat a piece of fruit.Thanks Rare. This is why your game is in decline.
Double gunning isn’t the problem.
People have the option to choose two guns if they want.
If they swap fast, that means they have trained and gotten better at the game, just like you should as you start to play longer.
@xdragonman15558 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@lord-spark-0 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Are we surprised? Probably not.
But clearly Rare does not care to solve this issue. A person with 2 guns should not be able to quick swap and shoot faster than I can eat a piece of fruit.Thanks Rare. This is why your game is in decline.
Double gunning isn’t the problem.
People have the option to choose two guns if they want.
If they swap fast, that means they have trained and gotten better at the game, just like you should as you start to play longer.
Dude, we've been at this since the game launched.
You're 100% wrong. They tried to patch this thing out multiple times. Quick Swaping is unintentional and therefore an exploit.
It isn't trained. Its bad devs at Rare that can't manage their game.@lord-spark-0 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@xdragonman15558 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@lord-spark-0 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Are we surprised? Probably not.
But clearly Rare does not care to solve this issue. A person with 2 guns should not be able to quick swap and shoot faster than I can eat a piece of fruit.Thanks Rare. This is why your game is in decline.
Double gunning isn’t the problem.
People have the option to choose two guns if they want.
If they swap fast, that means they have trained and gotten better at the game, just like you should as you start to play longer.
Dude, we've been at this since the game launched.
You're 100% wrong. They tried to patch this thing out multiple times. Quick Swaping is unintentional and therefore an exploit.
It isn't trained. It’s bad devs at Rare that can't manage their game.No, I am not wrong.
Double gunning should not be taking this much toll on you.
Double gunning is just a normal part of the game.
People who use it have built skills to use them better.
People who use it have built skills to use them better.
Got to use exploits to win
This isn’t the Harlem globetrotters, where tricks and pranks “not encouraged” or even legit play gets you wins. Just makes you entertaining and feel bad when the day comes….those exploits are 100% locked. You will see your true skill@captain-fob4141 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@xdragonman15558 abusing game mechanics despite devs attempting to remove them is not a skill, it's at best dishonest and at worst cheating.
If I were in charge, I would ban people that willingly exploit it. But I'm not in charge and Rare is more about allowing the abuse while their mistakes last.
If you were to ban people using this “exploit” you would be banning countless people, thus lessening the game population all the more.
Double gunning isn't a issue in game if the full animation is done when swapping weapons.
Removing double gunning would solve the issue of double gunning and the animation cancelation due to macros and other things. A lot of people are using tools to skip the animation cycle which is pretty bad. I have plenty of videos where a player changes a blunder to sniper so fast that there would be absolutely no animation on the players end and have reported a few.
I think having one gun and sword would be best anyway for the game, it would make people not just rely on shooting a gun, have more mixed gun and sword combat in game. Shoot once then go in for the sword kill finish, or shoot once and back off to reload then shoot again, or go sword...
There's plenty of games out there that allow just one gun and one melee.
Pretty sure quick swap was fixed, wasn't it? I used to use it sometimes when it was still in the game but they removed it a while ago. I'm fairly confident that if you come across someone who's able to do it now, they're using some form of cheat. I could be wrong, I know in the past after they attempted to remove quickswap there were still complicated ways of doing it (like I heard about a method involving pulling out your bucket or something? Idk I haven't tried learning how to quickswap after it was supposedly removed however long ago). So again I'm not sure, but I thought quickswap wasn't in the game anymore, or if it is it's extremely complicated to pull off.
In terms of being able to shoot faster than you can eat, why not?
First of all, you could use your movement and surroundings to try and dodge the other player's fire (after all, with sniper, blunderbuss, and pistol, dodging one shot means they will take a while to reload and shoot you again so you would have plenty of time to eat).
If for whatever reason you don't think the ability to dodge the second shot is enough justification for being able to shoot that fast, consider that that's not the only way to kill someone before they can eat.
- I'm pretty sure throwing two blunderbombs is too fast for the other person to eat as well (as long as they didn't start the eating animation before you threw the first one but that would be the same as getting shot by a double gunner).
- On top of that, throwing two throwing knives is too fast.
- And if you really think about it, sword lunging with two sword swipes happens too fast to eat as well, especially with the stun that the first swipe inflicts.
All three of those examples are using just one weapon btw.
Overall there are plenty of ways to kill someone at full health before they're able to eat, and not all of them are only possible if you learn a complicated button combination. That's why you're not just forced to constantly stand still while you eat, you can move around and evade attacks.
@captain-fob4141 said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@xdragonman15558 yes... that would be fine.
I'd rather a smaller population than one willing to bend the rules.
Rare wouldn't like that as a company for obvious reasons. I also wouldn't, as a limited playerbase is the reason why things like the removal of arena happen. Fewer players mean fewer interactions, less money going to the company so less work can happen on the game.
@captdirtyoar said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Double gunning isn't a issue in game if the full animation is done when swapping weapons.
I can agree with that
Removing double gunning would solve the issue of double gunning and the animation cancelation due to macros and other things. A lot of people are using tools to skip the animation cycle which is pretty bad. I have plenty of videos where a player changes a blunder to sniper so fast that there would be absolutely no animation on the players end and have reported a few.
I also have experienced that, and it sucks, though again I'm pretty sure quick swapping to that degree is only possible with cheats. Again I could be wrong about that though.
I think having one gun and sword would be best anyway for the game, it would make people not just rely on shooting a gun, have more mixed gun and sword combat in game. Shoot once then go in for the sword kill finish, or shoot once and back off to reload then shoot again, or go sword...
Right, although plenty of people just rely on the sword. Why is it an issue if people would rather only shoot guns than only swing a sword? Especially with the addition of the harpoon gun, there are plenty of people who don't even have a ranged attack in their arsenal. They just have one tool for getting on boats or for bringing people towards them and then one tool to swing at them repeatedly until they die. I see little reason for double gun as a whole to be removed, even with the bugs is has. The sword has its fair share of bugs too, to be fair.
You said that removing double gunning would add more "mixed gun and sword combat." Which doesn't mean anything. You are a sword user, and I am a double gun user. We already have mixed gameplay styles. I know that you meant it would specifically increase the amount of people using a sword as well as a gun, but why would we want that? Why is it important to the playerbase to sacrifice mixed gun combat so we can have more sword combat?
There's plenty of games out there that allow just one gun and one melee.
Yeah but there are also games that don't and for a lot of people those ones are more fun. Sea of thieves isn't a first person shooter game, it doesn't make sense for everyone to be forced to use a sword at all times and only have one other option. That just limits the amount of playstyles available to the players, and stepping in that direction could end up causing a shift in gameplay where all combat interactions are the same.
I see where you guys are coming from and I agree that quickswapping so fast that there's no time to react isn't fair, double gunning as a whole isn't a problem.
It is possible to two tap people with just a pistol.
The pistol reloads so fast that you cant eat against it, so dublegunn is not the problem here.
This is just a terrible mindset some people have.
Leave the weapons alone, they are balanced at the moment, every change evidently makes it worse.Also imagine not being able to kill someone before they eat.
5 Pineapples and you're invincible.
Doesn't sound great does it?@norwiegan-wood sagte in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Agreed, shouldn’t be able to shoot faster than a player can eat. Often you don’t even hear the second shot. Or make it easier for everyone in the game to quick swap. Controllers and keyboard players alike. Honestly that might not be bad! Just open it up for everyone or turn it 100%off
Quickswap doesn't exist anymore.
Only cheaters can use it and with cheaters i mean 3rd party software users.@dermasterbob said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@norwiegan-wood sagte in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Agreed, shouldn’t be able to shoot faster than a player can eat. Often you don’t even hear the second shot. Or make it easier for everyone in the game to quick swap. Controllers and keyboard players alike. Honestly that might not be bad! Just open it up for everyone or turn it 100%off
Quickswap doesn't exist anymore.
Only cheaters can use it and with cheaters i mean 3rd party software users.This is incorrect, from what I've seen. You should watch SoT Twitch streams in the middle of the night (GMT) and you come across some interesting stuff in the 10-20 viewers range. Naturally, they (I won't name names as that would be against forum rules) hide their VODs or restrict them to Subs-only, but they demonstrate that it can still be done through exploits. But, then again, maybe I just don't know squat.
"Know thy enemy" - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
@realstyli sagte in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@dermasterbob said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
@norwiegan-wood sagte in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Agreed, shouldn’t be able to shoot faster than a player can eat. Often you don’t even hear the second shot. Or make it easier for everyone in the game to quick swap. Controllers and keyboard players alike. Honestly that might not be bad! Just open it up for everyone or turn it 100%off
Quickswap doesn't exist anymore.
Only cheaters can use it and with cheaters i mean 3rd party software users.This is incorrect, from what I've seen. You should watch SoT Twitch streams in the middle of the night (GMT) and you come across some interesting stuff in the 10-20 viewers range. Naturally, they (I won't name names as that would be against forum rules) hide their VODs or restrict them to Subs-only, but they demonstrate that it can still be done through exploits. But, then again, maybe I just don't know squat.
"Know thy enemy" - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Quickwap can only be achieved through 3rd party software.
@dermasterbob said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
Quickwap can only be achieved through 3rd party software.
I honestly don't know if the DG QS crowd are now trying to gaslight Rare and us so it's not addressed again. But I said what I said already.
@realstyli only way to still quickswap is on a ladder, you're just watching streams of people using paks
I’m not going to argue for or against quick-swap. I honestly don’t care. When I started the game those who introduced me told me about it and I learned it, that was 2023 when it was super fast. When they nerfed it and now we have “delay swap”, I didn’t care and still don’t. If they nerfed it again, I won’t care.
What I will say is that I don’t trust that people are actually identifying when someone is doing delay swap. I think most of the time these post are due to a normal two tap without any key combination required to make the weapons fire quicker. If you go on YouTube, or try it yourself, you’ll find that delay swap barely makes a difference. It’s minuscule. Don’t believe me? Look for yourself
They can nerf it again but the reality is that people are still going to quickly two tap players.
@lord-spark-0 if I recall I remember seeing a video shortly after the quickswap patch where they demonstrate that even with no attempt at quickswapping and doing normal switch you can still shoot twice faster than someone can eat. That's why pre-eating has become a thing, spamming food in anticipation of damage and cancelling it if none comes through
@captain-knyt there is still some form of animation cancel possible just not to the same extent as previously. There's just a required delay after swapping before you can do it.
I absolutely hate getting merc'd by a dbl gunner.. But they should not get rid of it..
I believe they should just up the HP by 10% to prevent the double tap.If they were to do something like this..
i would be all for 3 weapons on person.. especially since theyve added knives, darts, harps etc..I showed this thread to a friend of mine who still regularly plays/PvPs in SoT. At the end of our convo, this was his final thought:
i kinda think the post is satire. aint no way people still complain about DG after 7 years of the game. gotta be ragebait
My 2 cents:
If you can QS so easily and reliably without PAKs or 3rd party software, then surely you can record yourself doing it, so we can compare the speed differences between 2nd gen QS and what is possible now?
Looking forward to reviewing any evidence whatsoever.
"Put up or shut up" -19th century gamblers, probably.
Think the only real way to stop Double Gunning is to add a 3rd weapon slot, with the middle slot permanently set to the sword.
- Slot 1: Player’s choice (any weapon except cutlass)
- Slot 2: Always the cutlass
- Slot 3: Player’s choice (any weapon except cutlass)
This forces a sword swap between shots if someone wants to use two guns, effectively ending the quick-swap exploit without removing the freedom to run two guns. It brings melee back into the mix and rewards timing over spam.
When "3rd weapon slot" is mentioned, I always remember the alpha (or beta idk) footage I saw, where the dude had all 4 og weapons equipped. Should have remained that way, imho. You don't have to worry about balancing between weapons/loadouts as much, when all players have the same weapons/loadout lol.
Your suggestion could work; it would need to cycle 1, 2, 3, 2. It would also require the entire "unsheathe sword" animation, otherwise folks would just swap twice in quick succession to avoid using the sword. That might make combat feel clunkier than it currently does.
On that note, May 2025, and is it still possible to QS to the sword? Has that ever been patched?
Does Rare still feel that it is too overpowered, to allow players to aim and fire with one gun, QS, and then adjust their aim and fire with another gun... but it is not too overpowered to allow players to QS into a wide-cone/AOE spammable attack? Or are they being logically consistent by May 2025?
Double gunning is not an issue. It is an option people have, including your self. The fact they reworked one weapon and have added a few new ones and some different utilities that are new, the ability to simply hold 2 guns at once is not going to just magically make it just good without practice just the same as using melee. As well just seeing that for years both double gunners and sword users have always said the other is op shows they have been pretty well in balance before they shook that balance up.
As for the game being in a decline, that isnt very accurate since people have been saying that for years now with only steam charts as their point of reference which has so many flaws, the biggest of which being most people play the game on xbox or xbox app instead of steam and sot has stayed in the top 45-50 most played on xbox for years. And continues to rest in that range.
Baldurs gate, war thunder, warframe, and many really big names on the market still consistently sit below sea of thieves on play count on xbox. The claim that the game is dying/declining in players has been going on since the year sot launched. Some people using 2 guns instead of a sword or knife is not changing that, and the numbers show
@theblackbellamy said in May 2025 and still the game has Double Gunning:
I showed this thread to a friend of mine who still regularly plays/PvPs in SoT. At the end of our convo, this was his final thought:
i kinda think the post is satire. aint no way people still complain about DG after 7 years of the game. gotta be ragebait
My 2 cents:
If you can QS so easily and reliably without PAKs or 3rd party software, then surely you can record yourself doing it, so we can compare the speed differences between 2nd gen QS and what is possible now?
Looking forward to reviewing any evidence whatsoever.
"Put up or shut up" -19th century gamblers, probably.
there are plenty of videos you can compare the old QS to new. With the delay (no marcos/3p use) it may be 20-30% slower than QS #2? That would be my guess, went from slightly under 1 sec to slightly over.
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