Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change

@lem0n-curry a dit dans Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change :

@zeyrniyx said in Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change:

@valor-omega a dit dans Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change :

I just feel like it's an odd complaint. Literally every other high-stakes treasure (Athenas, Chests of Fortune, Siren's Skull, etc) all have similar scenarios - crew runs with the treasure to turn in.

The only difference with the Burning Blade is that it's a single turn-in, for stacked loot, which I can see some frustration with runners, but even then.

Yes, it's a PvP-centric world event, but people are treating it as if it should be handled like hourglass, yet they do not wish to have actual hourglass rep/allegiance awarded...

Except that.... a makeshift chest is worth 50k (by being emissary 5).
A BB with 8 rituals is worth 500k.
There's definitely a difference.

What's more, I'm happy with this change, which has been much requested. Having the BB and running away because you're afraid of PvP is just a real shame.

It's not just the gold, if a crew who sails on the Burning Blade, spends a session sailing across the map doing the rituals and have some fights with other crews only to have it taken away by a server hopping group of more sweaty players camping on the hideout to keep them form turning in - they might not be doing that for a while after.
Making the finish harder also for crews that have their BB session as intended (doing rituals and fighting other crews) will be worse for the event than having some crews that just flee to the hideout as soon as they see another ship that might be going for them.

As a BB crew, you have to bear in mind that you're going to have to fight, full stop.
Even if it's not about gold, that's the point of the event. So the fact that the vote is blocked in the same way as the hourglass is a very good thing.
And frankly, being afraid to fight with a BB is like being afraid of an elephant with a mouse....

Imagine running a world pvp event yet wanting to run away from other players.....

I found some funny BB celebrating for escaping a sloop,they literally rammed reaper hideout to lower It as fast as possible.

@zeyrniyx said in Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change:

But we know SoT players, especially the Reapers... LoL! They're called Reapers Runners for a reason.
You can use all the tricks you want, but in reality, these players will continue to run away because they don't understand the aim of the game and they're afraid of losing....
But I'm sorry, as soon as you sail under the Reaper flag and run away from the fight, I throw up. It's shameful really. The other emissaries I can understand, but Reaper? NEVER! Whatever you do.

That...That's literally what I'm saying. The reason that even absolute potatoes can, and do, run to the hideout virtually uncontested is because all the things leading up the that finish line are imbalanced.

Do you want the only play to be camping the Reaper's Hideout and turning it into a TDM session where the aggressor just hopes that whatever longer or multi step rebalance is enough to hold off the crew from lowering?

Or, do you want a genuine opportunity to fight and sink the BB ahead of the hideout?

Again, rebalance the race leading up to the finish line. Don't rebalance the finish line.

@zeyrniyx Different values, exact same concept. When people are already and actively hunting Burning Blades, and most don't see past streak 3-4 realistically (unless you're blessed with a completely dead/passive server), this change just feels only beneficial to the harder-core players lol.

Well hey, glad you're happy at least! But this is 100% not going to have the desired outcome that you're hoping for. If anything else, it's just going to encourage running away far sooner, and oh look, back to square one.

Perhaps instead of penalizing players who manage to get away from their pursuers, the pursuers learn to plan/sail/counterplay better.

@il-truth-li Maybe the sloop should have planned better

@valor-omega

If i would be ever get scared by a sloop while driving the burning blade it would be probably the day i will uninstall and stop gaming xD

@sweetsandman said:

https://x.com/Taaaaamas/status/1818358880583246137

All this idea will do is turn the Reaper's Hideout into a TDM fest. Which, candidly, I would find super fun...

Yay!

... but I'm not daft enough to not realize that it would simultaneously kill this event for pretty much anyone but the sweats

(same though)

Well, RIP... they went ahead and did it... Rare gave into the server-hoppers and content creators...

Today's patchnotes:

Crews in command of the Burning Blade are now prevented from returning the ship to The Reaper’s Hideout while still in combat. Rival ships in close proximity to the Burning Blade will prevent it from being returned.

I guess time will tell what the knock-on effect will actually be, but I don't think this is a good change at all for the longevity of the event.

@arias1101 said in Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change:

@realstyli and they were right to do it. The BB now will have to fight, as they should.

If you don't want to fight for it, just don't do a Reaper event. If you are scared that people respawn close to you, just go do another ritual to replenish your skeletons and drive them away.

A two player Burning Blade can sink pretty much anything that comes at it at equal level of skill. Use this to earn your win.

I do want to fight, I don't think you see the issues with this change and how it's going to kill the event. There's incentivising fighting and then there's giving into the cries of server hopping sweats and turning Reaper's Hideout into a Camper's Paradise.

@arias1101 said in Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change:

@realstyli Why would they camp Reapers Hiddeout instead of coming straight to you, I really dont get it. You think people enjoy being afk on an island ?
Lets get serious for a moment. What people (mostly) want is lvl 3+ swords and pvp. You don't have to "camp Reaper hiddeout" to get this. In the contrary, to be efficient about it, it is better to just go try the BB, see if you win, if not, dive to find a better one.

Just give it time. We'll see who is right in their predictions.

@arias1101 There's nothing inherently wrong with the fighting aspect. It's that in conjunction with the Skull of Siren Song respawn distance, if multiple ships are battling the BB, they could just effectively come back over and over again.

Additionally, and now that this event is regulated closer to hourglass, there ought to be hourglass rep given. There's incentive to always hunt the BB/camp reapers, but there's no incentive for the BB to keep fighting.

I also shouldn't even have to say this, but the troll potential with this change is blatantly massive. All it takes is a single solo sloop just circling the boundary of Reapers and avoiding conflict, to prevent a BB crew from turning in. Or even worse, someone with the Skeleton Curse from opening the hideout, and just going AFK down there - if the BB crew doesn't also have a Skelly curse player, they're SOL.

@arias1101 You severely underestimate people's desire to troll.

@valor-omega

The SoSS respawn could be handled by simply making the closer respawn only apply after both items are dug up. Change the RNG of the last island to account for the position of all opted-in ships (if it doesn't already do that, which it may), so it still keeps the last chapter of that voyage risky after the chest is opened, but significantly reduces the misuse of opting-in.

Regarding making the Burning Blade give Allegiance for successful attacks or defends, I agree. To prevent it being used to farm all ships on the server for rep, this could apply around Reaper's Hideout only - a slightly larger circle than the turn-in ship-block. Any crews sunk, should merge out.

@arias1101 Right, my point is that all a solo sloop has to do, to perpetually prevent a BB from turning in, is just sailing around the outskirts of the hideout.

@d3adst1ck This.

@valor-omega said in Concerns Over A Burning Blade Turn-In Change:

@arias1101 You severely underestimate people's desire to troll.

This.

Quite a few of my crewmates are exactly the type to spend hours trolling ships, stealing little to no loot, sinking few and PvPing almost none. They get a huge kick out of being a nuisance more than “completing the game.” They very much look forward to season 14, they think of it as “their season” and when the BB changes were announced they were already making plans and coming up with strats on how to troll BB crews.

I occasionally join in on the trolling, some of it is fun, especially the tucking and pretending to be an AI tutorial for new players. The BB block sell trolling doesn’t seem fun to me, so I’ll sit that one out. I did take a BB and spent a couple hours doing bottle quest cargo deliveries for the merchants instead of doing camps. When I was done I just left the session, didn’t bother to turn in the BB at all. I thought it was funny and I suspect many ships that came to the server wondered why I was parked at a sea post or devils ridge or sailing by camps with no camps done and my number never going up that whole time. But I make full use of the “tools not rules” and “make your own adventure.” I don’t actually have to grind camps when I crew the BB, I can chose to pretend I have hijacked the ship for the good of the Merchant Alliance and use its power to protect cargo.