The horn of fairs winds is wayyyy to rare, to be honest I don't really care that much about the rarity if the commendation didn't require you to sell 100 of them. Even with using a methods to go a new shrine every 5 minutes or something it is so rare that the commendation would probably take you 100 hours to just to sell all 100 of them. Either make the horn of fair winds more common in shrines and shipwrecks, or reduce the commendation even more.
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I just found my first one in weeks and I check shipwrecks regularly.
I have 7 since the first patch of season 12 which is wild.
Before the first patch a person could find 7+ in a day or two without even going to a shrine, just off shipwrecks/pvp. I know because I was doing it at release. Shipwrecks had them, ps5ers were new and had them. Farmers had them. They were around. People were starting fights with a horn on board.
They've pretty much nerfed this thing out of relevance and organic play. The real unfortunate part is that they just shifted people into the server hopping method, which is way worse than what existed before that first patch. Way less server investment after those patches, for the horn.
The shipwreck nerfs nerfed it for people in more than just one way. Not only are they almost non existent to find, they are completely gone out of pvp/steal situations. That's a double nerf in a game like this.
The funny thing is that they would fit great as a reward in a skelly camp, and doing a skelly camp is no different than what people were doing to get them in shrines (pre patches).
@burnbacon yea sorry im not chronically online this game to the point where i can spend 100 hours selling them and 1000 hours finding them
@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
Knowing that this item is designed to be rare (otherwise you can imagine the abuse that would take place), in reality the recommendation in question should be deleted and this precious item left rare.
250 and a few k value doesn't suggest rare
nerfed to 100 and still a few k doesn't suggest rare
It's called a tool and tools aren't rare
It's not OP as it's largely irrelevant with speed and people were just using them as they were designed, to be goofy tools in the sandbox.
"imagine the abuse"
I played a lot of hours organically when people had them, there was no abuse, the tool was fun.
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
Knowing that this item is designed to be rare (otherwise you can imagine the abuse that would take place), in reality the recommendation in question should be deleted and this precious item left rare.
250 and a few k value doesn't suggest rare
nerfed to 100 and still a few k doesn't suggest rare
It's called a tool and tools aren't rare
It's not OP as it's largely irrelevant with speed and people were just using them as they were designed, to be goofy tools in the sandbox.
"imagine the abuse"
I played a lot of hours organically when people had them, there was no abuse, the tool was fun.
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.
@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.
It has been irrelevant since the first patch.
There is no way to spin that as a win for the environment.
It's not something people are finding, it's not something that people are carrying around, some people likely have never even seen them if they started after that first patch.
If it was meant to be as rare as it is then I think advertising it as a fun tool was not the way to go. A tool is not fun when most people don't have access to the tool.
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.
It has been irrelevant since the first patch.
There is no way to spin that as a win for the environment.
It's not something people are finding, it's not something that people are carrying around, some people likely have never even seen them if they started after that first patch.
If it was meant to be as rare as it is then I think advertising it as a fun tool was not the way to go. A tool is not fun when most people don't have access to the tool.
I agree with you, but let's be realistic:
- Very few people visit the sanctuaries
- The same goes for shipwrecks.
And let's not forget that this tool gives you a definite advantage over other ships, so yes, this item should be rare, but probably not as rare as it is today, and yes, I maintain that this recommendation should be removed.
@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
And let's not forget that this tool gives you a definite advantage over other ships, so yes, this item should be rare, but probably not as rare as it is today, and yes, I maintain that this recommendation should be removed.
As the resident critic of chainshots they had people sailing around for literally years with 50-75-100+ chainshots with no real server investment. In a game where camping is the popular meta not only is that massively imbalanced power in risk/reward but it's infinitely worse than the worst that people can do with horns, and horns have far more fun uses than just chainshot spam and camping.
They just tinkered with ship speeds, it would be far more interesting to mess with that if people had horns.
The bb would be a blast with horns being around.
All people need is an organic way to get one with server investment. Make it a voyage, add it to a world event, add a locked area to a shipwreck where people have to find a key, doesn't really matter, just something that allows people to organically find horns to sell and use.
@zeyrniyx I am not removing my recommendation, I wouldn't care if they were super rare if the commendation for selling them wasn't so high. Right now there is no guaranteed way to get them. If you wanted to get one sometimes it might be at your first shrine and take 15 minutes but then the next day it takes 2 hours just to find one. The commendation requires 100 which is way to much for how rare it is right now.
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.
Well, if you can assure us with certainty I guess no other discussion is needed.........
The horn is too hard to find and the spawn rate is too low. They might as well have not even introduced it to the game for all the practical impact it has on the majority of sailing sessions.
Up the spawn rate of these things at the least, maybe even put them in forts or something.
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.
Well, if you can assure us with certainty I guess no other discussion is needed.........
The horn is too hard to find and the spawn rate is too low. They might as well have not even introduced it to the game for all the practical impact it has on the majority of sailing sessions.
Up the spawn rate of these things at the least, maybe even put them in forts or something.
The problem with this item is not its rarity, but its recommendation. If there was no recommendation (or if it wasn't linked to a skin, or if this item was a little less rare) then there wouldn't be so many posts on this forum. And its rarity, as I say, is directly linked to the fact that it gives you a definite advantage over other crews.
As for the fact that it's deliberately rare in the game, yes, I'm sure it is, but I just can't talk about it here.@slipperydoog said in Horn of Fair Winds:
@zeyrniyx I am not removing my recommendation, I wouldn't care if they were super rare if the commendation for selling them wasn't so high. Right now there is no guaranteed way to get them. If you wanted to get one sometimes it might be at your first shrine and take 15 minutes but then the next day it takes 2 hours just to find one. The commendation requires 100 which is way to much for how rare it is right now.
I turned in 250 of them, didn't use any exploit, it took approx. a week, and now I'm helping my crew/friends get them done. Edit: I turned off my brain while diving for them, and just watched youtube while doing it in order to keep my sanity, but I turned in 250 of them (I have screenshots as proof as well).
@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.I've been enjoying the abundance of horns in game over the past week. Guess it wasn't intended to be as rare as you supposed?
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.I've been enjoying the abundance of horns in game over the past week. Guess it wasn't intended to be as rare as you supposed?
it's been alot of fun to actually play with them
To be fair, this topic was started almost a month ago before the most recent patch upped the drop rate in shipwrecks and guaranteed one in every Siren Treasury loot pool. So they actually WERE as rare as he supposed when he made this post.
The usual seesaw reaction by devs to go from one extreme to the other rather than a middle ground balance to ensure they don't get asked to change it again. Somewhat disheartening how extremely they change some things. I can't tell if it's an admittance of judging it badly wrong in the first place or just laziness to appease people who complain loudly.
@hiradc said in Horn of Fair Winds:
The usual seesaw reaction by devs to go from one extreme to the other rather than a middle ground balance to ensure they don't get asked to change it again. Somewhat disheartening how extremely they change some things. I can't tell if it's an admittance of judging it badly wrong in the first place or just laziness to appease people who complain loudly.
The horn journey is an example of how sot can often be, a lot of unnecessary decisions and drama that just leads to more work to clean it up.
The horns should have always been high amount and high access. Should have always been how they are now (the original 250 number was fine with how they are now)
but instead of just taking the easy dub we had to go through...
Kinda poor RNG but instead of just bumping it up a bit and calling it a day the devs and some in the community targeted organic play as the problem.
1 horn for people doing a shrine as intended was never an issue, that's a made up issue that led to a completely unnecessary overreaction in the community. It was never a problem because when the "cheese" is doing the content as intended for 1 item then there isn't a problem. That's literally organic play. 250 requirement and 3k gold ALWAYS meant it should have been super common like tridents, a tool ALWAYS meant it should have been commonly available.
This then led to an extreme overreaction in the patch that made the new tool completely irrelevant in SoT.
and then it just sat there in irrelevance, wasting all that season 12 potential and all the bump in activity by bringing ps5 to SoT.
and then they just do the patch that should have existed since day 1 of season 12.
Devs aren't lazy in this game, Rare isn't lazy in this game, it's unnecessary targeting of organic play, it's overreactions to things, and it's spending a season+ of going on the merry go round of repeated history just to get to where it always should have been.
Same thing happened to commodities and the BB will suffer from overreactions to organic play as well.
@thegrimpreacher said in Horn of Fair Winds:
To be fair, this topic was started almost a month ago before the most recent patch upped the drop rate in shipwrecks and guaranteed one in every Siren Treasury loot pool. So they actually WERE as rare as he supposed when he made this post.
When they released however, before they were first patched and became so rare as to obtain mythical status, it was actually not uncommon to find one in shrines or shipwrecks.
I don't believe they were ever meant to be as rare as they were before this most recent update.
@thegrimpreacher I think that's the point.... they were rare and the devs agreed with the community that we should be able to use the new tools they introduce
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.I've been enjoying the abundance of horns in game over the past week. Guess it wasn't intended to be as rare as you supposed?
Good for you... What do you want me to say LOL.
I stand by what I said at the time.... (I note by the way the lack of maturity to answer me that after an update but why not...) that at their release, the horns were well present to be RARE! It was well specified by the developers.
But as always, when people cry here, of course they change the rules... But don't come with your condescending message, I appreciate it ;)@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.I've been enjoying the abundance of horns in game over the past week. Guess it wasn't intended to be as rare as you supposed?
Good for you... What do you want me to say LOL.
I stand by what I said at the time.... (I note by the way the lack of maturity to answer me that after an update but why not...) that at their release, the horns were well present to be RARE! It was well specified by the developers.
But as always, when people cry here, of course they change the rules... But don't come with your condescending message, I appreciate it ;)Literally, they weren't intended to be as rare as you were certain of. I waited until playing a few sessions to see how the update panned out, then came back here to respond to your comment aimed at me...... and you sound super salty about it.
Sorry if you'd rather let the convo drop, I'll just leave it here I guess.
@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
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But as always, when people cry here, of course they change the rules... But don't come with your condescending message, I appreciate it ;)People weren't crying about it, they were making a fair request to gain access to a tool that was added to a game.
The game is now better with the tool in play in organic experiences.
I have listed my criticisms about how we got here but this is overall a win for the organic experience going forward.
@zeyrni definitely didn't have anything to do with people exploiting spawn rates to add an absurd ammount of them to the game at launch...
The same could be said of the whiners who thought it was overpowered and too common at launch. It's suppose to be rare but not so rare that you don't see them for weeks at a time.
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
I can assure you with certainty that this item is designed to be rare. The problem is the recommendation that goes with it.I've been enjoying the abundance of horns in game over the past week. Guess it wasn't intended to be as rare as you supposed?
Good for you... What do you want me to say LOL.
I stand by what I said at the time.... (I note by the way the lack of maturity to answer me that after an update but why not...) that at their release, the horns were well present to be RARE! It was well specified by the developers.
But as always, when people cry here, of course they change the rules... But don't come with your condescending message, I appreciate it ;)Literally, they weren't intended to be as rare as you were certain of. I waited until playing a few sessions to see how the update panned out, then came back here to respond to your comment aimed at me...... and you sound super salty about it.
Sorry if you'd rather let the convo drop, I'll just leave it here I guess.
I'm not going to debate this indefinitely lol, but you say this item wasn't supposed to be so rare.
Then you'd have to quantify the meaning of the word rare...
And if this change (which is a good one) was made at the request of players, otherwise it would have already been made a few months ago....I'm not going to dwell on this subject because, I respect the NDA, but I still know how to read news notes lol.
And to answer another person, I've never said that this change is bad, I'm just saying that it was made because people are “crying”... You have to understand the irony though LOL.
In any case, this change was necessary because the recommendation was much too difficult to make without using a glitch (yes, I can see you, I know you :p ).
@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
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@zeyrniyx said in Horn of Fair Winds:
In any case, this change was necessary because the recommendation was much too difficult to make without using a glitch (yes, I can see you, I know you :p ).
What is this even supposed to mean?
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