Ban hammer

I would just look at it as a playing with fire situation.

People that exploit in combat are gonna get reported more and get more attention which is higher risk overall. It catches up to people eventually.

Just because stuff might not get people banned for doing it once in a while doesn't mean that excessive troublemaking won't lead to consequences eventually.

Habitually exploiting in combat in that sort of obviously unintentional way isn't a good idea for people that value their accounts.

I wouldn't take the "not bannable" thing as a green light to do it or a guarantee that it's not going to play a part in enforcement. I would take that as "they don't like it so it's in my best interest to avoid it"

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

@captain-fob4141 said in Ban hammer:

@jon-sea-nah right "movement exploits" are not the same as "supply exploits". Maybe you missed that detail

An exploit is an exploit. Those that make instructional videos on YouTube on how to do these should be banned. If you are going to ban 1 player ban them all. If you ban for 1 exploit then ban for them all.

This is like saying that jaywalking in some small town should be treated like a serious crime.

Should be on a case by case basis where there is leniency shown for people that are clearly not habitually causing trouble in the environment.

People that are exploiting regularly and intentionally to gain an advantage in a direct way against the experience of others is a problem.

People should try to avoid exploits that directly negatively impact others or are in the cheating category on the pve side but everyone shouldn't face enforcement as if all cases are severe.

My guess is that the people that get banned are doing quite a bit of it or are engaging in the more severe exploiting.

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

@wolfmanbush said in Ban hammer:

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

@captain-fob4141 said in Ban hammer:

This is like saying that jaywalking in some small town should be treated like a serious crime.

No this is like saying treat jaywalking the same for every person.

What if they only went after “certain” people for no explained reason? We be up in arms saying that is wrong….

bro you would think so but I have a very close friend hardware and ip banned for the exploits. He didn’t use them “severely”.

there really is no gray area on any sort of supp exploit. Rare determined an amount they wanted to offer in a specific situation.

It's always a no no to exploit around that sort of thing. People that were involved in stuff like that were doing it regularly.

When boiled down it's duping supplies. Duping through intentional exploiting is always something to avoid in a game.

and then we don't really know what people are up to. Being friends doesn't change that.

When Rare specifically designs something to be balanced in their view it's a really risky move to say "I don't agree with the amount you set so I am going to use an exploit to get around that amount" That can apply to supps or time or server. Example would be raid exploits. They very specifically designed raids a certain way, so to go around that was a clear no no.

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

PATCH IT!!!! and stop banning rando’s that use a broken system available to everyone in the game.

Most people don't even know the exploits exist unless they see them in the game and even if they have heard of them don't know how to do lots of them.

What happens is that the people that chill in the social media/content areas of the community just assume that everyone is watching the exploit tutorials and keeping up with all the exploits. Most don't

I'm around most days and I have no idea how to do some of the most talked about exploits. Plenty of exploits I never even knew about until they hit the patch notes.

I don't watch any of the youtube videos about exploits, I don't follow any streamers that habitually exploit and I avoid the conversations where people are getting into the specifics about the more severe exploits.

Many players aren't following the socials, they aren't watching twitch or in the discord servers. They just play organically. "Available to everyone in the game" is a feature or content, that doesn't apply to exploits.

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

@wolfmanbush lol if you are a new play and search on YouTube how to videos the algorithm picks up quick. I never knew of a lot of the players creating the videos yet it popped up in my algorithm.

You saying most people don’t commit crimes so we shouldn’t just punish everyone who does

So you make it sound like people doing the exploits go outta there way to find and do these yet you don’t want to ban all those that do…?

It’s available to everyone in the game. It requires no downloading of cheats or modifying software or hardware. It simply “IS”. It exists so patch it, ban EVERYONE using it, or don’t do anything.

You just want equal treatment. How are you arguing against equal treatment….

Rare is gonna do whatever Rare is going to do but in my view when they say "we aren't banning for this" I don't take that as "it's ok to do it" not even a little bit.

I take that as "don't do it but we aren't wasting our rescources running around trying to catch every random pirate that does a random dive or launch" or whatever people are doing"

Someone that does some exploit in a silly way once in a while (and isn't directly negatively impacting others) isn't doing the same thing as someone that uses an exploit to camp boats and trash talk or whatever.

Imo people try to put their own spin on this stuff but it's a lot more clear in my view than many that say it's not.

I've never seen one person banned where I was completely surprised, not once. That's because there is typically a trail of conduct/behavior/gameplay that makes it pretty obvious they were putting themselves at risk of enforcement.

I apply that to people I'm friends with too. If someone catches a yellow for talking smack I'm not making excuses for them, they likely were talking smack and they can face consequences for it. If they were doing some serious exploiting I'm not gonna pretend like the enforcement is unjustified. Friendship is not place for enabling.

Same with me. If I ever catch a yellow for something I'm not gonna blame other people or look at other conduct, either I did something or I didn't do it and I can either own up to it or get it corrected via support.

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

@wolfmanbush you keep saying “severely” what is severe? Who gets to pick what is severe? You see saying it like that makes is subjective and not Objective you are putting YOUR personal feelings into it. I “feel” that this is ok, but what about others “feelings” that’s why laws aren’t about peoples feelings, but facts.

Rare decides.

My participation is about offering advice that will help people stay out of trouble, get out of discouraging scenarios, and achieving adventure goals in the game.

I'm transparent about how I play and how I approach things and I will never set people up to get themselves in trouble, never will enable things like escalation, defeatism, risky/harmful conduct/gameplay.

I've played a very significant amount of hours without enforcement from Rare and without any enforcement on my account in any way. Many many hours, many encounters, a significant amount of gameplay. This helps support that I have experience navigating the code of conduct/ToS.

When it comes to exploits it's best to see them as severe if they directly mess with other people's experience during encounter/combat.

Severe if they mess with Rare's clear design of something. Stuff with limits/restrictions/quantity/etc

I'm not the ban dude on this sort of thing. I've never reported anyone on the forums, I don't look for people to report, I don't set traps or bait anyone. I want to help people help themselves to stay out of trouble. I think I have the experience and the discipline to offer advice responsibly, with accountability and transparency along the way.

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

@wolfmanbush but what I am getting at is if there are not CLEAR rules on this then it’s gonna create, AT THE VERY LEAST, frustration and confusion. If people are constantly doing the rod launch but never get banned and someone does it twice and does get banned…… why? Again just want clear and fair across the board.

People might say "I only did this" but it's not likely the entire story.

It's not often casual adventurers running around saying they got banned for no reason. It's not often players like me on the more extreme side of adventure that run around saying "I didn't do anything" or "I only did this".

It's habitual exploiters or exploiting that is far more cheating than exploiting.

I'm not someone that does the holier than thou thing. I don't think people are bad people for catching a ban over habitual exploiting or cheating. If it happens then own up to it and take the consequences and move on. It's a part of maturing to make mistakes and face consequences for actions. I don't believe in burning things down just because people face consequences for their actions.

It's a game, people should play fair or just take the consequences and then apply the lessons to the next experience in life. Everyone messes up from time to time, everyone. It's just a lesson in life, experience gained.

@jon-sea-nah said in Ban hammer:

Broooooooo again ya I agree with most but you still seem to not grasp that dudes ARE getting banned for rod launches, not habitually using them, not using them in HG, not griefing people with it. But simply using it. I used to say the same stuff you did “yeah, but they were doing more or Rare wouldn’t have” WRONG again saw it happen first hand.

When someone is banned it's either them and/or them and their buddies telling the story how they want to tell it.

It's not something that can really be examined and verified.

I get it, sometimes people feel wronged about it, feel it's unfair, feel other things are worse, want to defend themselves and their friends. I get it but I don't buy into it.

Do I think the system is perfect? nah, the system is never perfect and there will be things that don't look great from time to time.

but I also know how people are, I know accountability is uncomfortable and unpleasant, I know how friends are for each other. I know how beefs go. I know how social media goes when it is involved.

An imperfect system but one that is not as flawed as some say it is.