Safer Seas: Harder Than High Seas

@knurd9369 - Phew, good thing I wasn't dreaming, I honestly felt like I was! I feel so validated right now, so I'm glad to know this info about how in Season 11 the rates went quicker. Obviously, this sucks for solo players, but I hope this will be addressed, yes. Especially for those who player Safer Seas, it's so sad.

...I literally wish I could say I did NOT rage quit, lol.

I think punishing those that enjoy something to cater to preferences of those that oppose interference makes the experience worse for more than it makes it better for.

They've already nerf'd megs into oblivion, everything from spawns to behavior to "territory". Someone kinda just has to sit there and let a meg sink a boat for it to even sink someone.

Skelly ships I can at least understand why some want those bumped down a bit even if I like them myself.

Instead of just nerfing over and over because some feedback is louder I think they should at the very least work in a system that maintains emergent spawns for those that prefer them. Higher encounters for those that prefer and lower chances for those that don't.

Not everyone wants to go 2 hours without a spawn of anything, which has literally happened for years to lots of people because of all the emergent nerfs.

There is supposed to be interference in the adventure game and in pvp and in safer seas.

People have no options when they just nerf spawns in different ways, it shouldn't be that way just because frustrated feedback is more common than satisfaction.

Safer seas is just without pvp, it doesn't mean all or most safer sea adventurers want low emergent spawns just because they don't wanna deal with pvp. Frustration is going to be extremely over-represented with megs/krakens/skellies and the unfortunate part is that a lot of that over-represented feedback turns into changes that has an effect for all.

There are people that enjoy the content, the random happening, the loot/commendation opportunity, the better chance for a shrouded through more encounters, etc etc.

@wolfmanbush Love the idea of setting difficulties! That would literally be SO helpful for different players, such as slow paced players with slow reflexes or people who have fast reflexes and know how to handle situations better and faster it would be cool for every type of player to be able to experience the delight of this game, as not everyone is the same.

Also It was not my intention to somehow intent that I didn't want spawns at all, because I do. I agree that it would be absolutely unfun without spawns.

I would like to say High Seas is easier in my opinion. I'm not bothered with High Seas, but Safer Seas can be annoying on how two things spawn almost at the same time! :'D I think THAT should be one of the main things to fix, it's kind of strange of you ask me? Like, okay, I get it, but it's happened so many times to me in Safer Seas, that I'm fed up with it.

Your reply is very insightful ^^ I like to see different POV'S, as of course, not everyone thinks the same way or feels the same way on things. :)

@loaflie said in Safer Seas: Harder Than High Seas:

@wolfmanbush Love the idea of setting difficulties! That would literally be SO helpful for different players, such as slow paced players with slow reflexes or people who have fast reflexes and know how to handle situations better and faster it would be cool for every type of player to be able to experience the delight of this game, as not everyone is the same.

Also It was not my intention to somehow intent that I didn't want spawns at all, because I do. I agree that it would be absolutely unfun without spawns.

I would like to say High Seas is easier in my opinion. I'm not bothered with High Seas, but Safer Seas can be annoying on how two things spawn almost at the same time! :'D I think THAT should be one of the main things to fix, it's kind of strange of you ask me? Like, okay, I get it, but it's happened so many times to me in Safer Seas, that I'm fed up with it.

Your reply is very insightful ^^ I like to see different POV'S, as of course, not everyone thinks the same way or feels the same way on things. :)

Personally I'd like to see the higher chance of emergent spawns added to a hunter's call emissary, I think that would be a cool way to handle it but since that doesn't help safer seas perhaps it could become a chum situation where people can buy chum at the merchant or sea posts and by using it there becomes a higher chance of spawns and then they can drop it down for those that don't use it.

I don't want to see spawns nerfed but I also don't want it to become contrived monster killing. I still would like it to maintain a random scenario just with widespread QoL for different preferences.

For skelly ship there could be some sort of beacon similar to chum that could trigger skellies so they attack those players more while attacking other players less that are not opted in.

Just higher/lower chances, nothing guaranteed to still keep it organic.

and I'm very passionate about the organic environment and organic hunting in the game so that's all it is, I understand that some people get frustrated and would like to be frustrated less in the game. I very much understand that this is as much a qol issue for someone in your shoes as it is for someone in my shoes. I think there are ways to help support both.

@burnbacon

Personally, I think it's more difficult than High Seas, I find myself fine and dandy. I've had a much better time on there and have managed to sink ships alone and fine by myself.

But, on Safer Seas, it's strange. It's as if they won't sink at all. Either this is a bug or they up-ed the difficulty? I don't know, but I loved an idea someone had in this reply section of choosing the difficulty for Safer Seas. It would definitely be kinder to those with different levels of thinking, reflexes, etc.!

Other than the point about Higher Dead being harder, I agree with your points for sure :) (I guess everyone finds it hard, but for some reason I find it easy)? Maybe I'm being too safe in Higher Sea, lol!

@hiradc I meant my reply to also ping for you for my above message but I have not figured that out yet, since I'm new and such to this website. I'll get the hang of it :')

But yeah, thank you. Also I said Safer "Dead" my autocorrect meant to say "Seas". I'm really crying over here with my autocorrect making me sound horrid, lol!

It does seem one will come up every 5 minutes, I've had 3 come up one after the other, 3rd being a Galleon, I see it as hours of too much spawning and so far for me they have taken allot of the fun out of the Tall Tales I'm doing. I did some faction quests when Safer Seas came out and it was low spawns then anyway and just right with a few encounters if that. I watched a video last night to get the rewards, it was a crew playing on High Seas live, I didn't even see one spawn on them, they were able to do so much more.

I see it's from season 11 and impacting Safer Seas because of it's one ship so the feedback is to look at this. It's fun to sink these ships now and then, good practice too, just it's too many spawns in short time, also is our damage reduced, I can sink most of the ships but they seem to take longer than they used to, their crew is so fast on their guns too.

as there are no other ships on the server you get all the pve spawns all the time. and pve encounters have been increased as well. there used to be a longer cool down in between when stuff like megs could spawn on your and with the change to megs now being able to spawn in smaller areas because they need clearance to circle around you all the stuff they had added to the seas made it so megs couldnt spawn in a lot of areas.

i have been playing my version of safer seas for about 2 years now. the amount of pve spawns is pretty insane. kraken is typically once every 3 hours. it is part of the world event rotation so you will never see a kraken and a fort up at the same time. so if theres no event cloud in the sky it must be kraken time. keep in mind kraken is super easy on a sloop and if its trying to inhale you off the ship you see dust on the screen. run inside. it cant pull you through the wall.

but yea considering safer seas is supposed to be a chiller experience the amount of pve you had to face is going to constantly be blocking you from doing your tall tales or whatever.

the issue is safer seas is just a nerfed solo ship version of the game as it is on high seas. other than less gold and a limit to progression everything else functions as normal. so youre still having to put in a lot of work but the reward is less and if you are level capped for the mode then literally no reason to play.

all the pve spawns you are fighting off doesnt even count torward your milestone ship cosmetics because you cant do captaincy in safer seas. theres so much more going on there and 4 of the 5 progression paths are either locked away or severely restricted.

however i guess if the true mode is to teach newer players the game they are certainly going to learn how to handle those pve encounters..... or maybe not.. ie kraken wraps around your boat? what do you do? slash the tentacle with your sword to get it to unwrap obviously... but no shoot the head of the tentacle that wrapped you with a canon and it will release you. the head will always be on one side near a canon.

how do you know when the meg will bite so you can counter it with a canon shot? well while it is circling you, you will see it speed up a little to indicated its coming in for a bite. and in most cases it will come in at the canon (though not always)

the worst bit is when the game glitches out and you get a skeleton galleon spawning on your sloop. this is a bug and not supposed to happen. or has a slightly higher chance than finding a shrouded ghost. also galleons tend to have less loot for more effort which doesnt make sense

@burnbacon im guessing you havent played safer seas.... or on a single ship server before safer seas. i wouldnt save the pve spawns are unfair but fighting each one off takes time. depending on what you are trying to do it can significantly slow down your play time. even doing a tall tail where you are sailing from island to island you literally have to fight something off in between each stop. i personally love it but i have more time to play than most.

@guyrza Because I want to play alone, duh? Why else would you want to play "Safer Seas". You're alone in a lobby by yourself. Which is what I would much rather do for an experience except these skeletons ships pop up every so often, lol. That's my problem.

@wonderwaffle559 I've been playing since Season 5. For some reason, I find that Skeleton Ships won't sink in Safer Seas even when I hit them A TON. I'm talking 15 or more shots using a sloop, I'm genuinely confused. Mega are mega easy though, but that's only because I heard they were nerfed hardcore.

@loaflie said in Safer Seas: Harder Than High Seas:

@wonderwaffle559 I've been playing since Season 5. For some reason, I find that Skeleton Ships won't sink in Safer Seas even when I hit them A TON. I'm talking 15 or more shots using a sloop, I'm genuinely confused. Mega are mega easy though, but that's only because I heard they were nerfed hardcore.

You running into a lot of skelly ships at night?

Might be getting shadow skellies if so you can shoot a flare up and it will help a lot. In safer seas I would be shooting up flares regularly at night during combat just to get in the habit. I don't stock up so I typically only have the default quantity.

For skelly sloop I hit right below the cannon skelly over and over again. This not only makes it so they get a hole and that hole can't get repaired but it also knocks back or kills the cannon skelly at the same time.

Personally I like to slow the sloop down quite a bit (maybe half sail) and I like to go broad to broad to do the above.

Some skellies have kegs which can help a lot so you can try a few different shots once you have some pressure on them.

Going straight and slower will get them to line up with you a lot of the time, then the only real obstacle is the waves. Skelly ships can get pretty goofy when given the chance so it helps to get them to where they wanna parallel race you and then it's just a one ball competition.

You might already do some or all of this, just wanna throw out there what I do, in case it helps. I fight a lot of skelly ships and it's how I take them down quickly so I don't get into too many pickles with holes/water/interference/ etc.