Sovereigns in Safer Seas

@dabombtrigga
And that's precisely my point. As a company, if you don't condone it, aren't you supposed to do something about it? It's basically an exploit using game's mechanics.

Which kinda brings me to the next question - why Rare still didn't do anything about them? If it's money related, then by all means, just do what I mentioned earlier. Nothing stops you from just making PvE only servers with progress separated from HS. Which would actually be MORE FAIR, legit accepted since they as a company would implement it, and you would definitely earn more income that way, than allowing Alliance servers to still exist. And let's be real, they could track every single person involved there only if they wanted to.

What's even more hilarious to me, is that the same people that are against PvE servers, are actually suggesting to people to play on Alliance servers, and I don't see them complaining of the existence of these servers. Like, what? It's a complete paradox and makes zero sense.

I am 90% PvE player, and have never EVER even considered playing on Alliance servers. Because that's against CoC, and should be banable. I'd rather have Rare finally make this a legit thing, since so many people want this.

From Rare's own CoC:

Activities such as teaming or boosting to gain an advantage over other players in competitive game modes may also result in enforcement action.

Literally what Alliance servers are. And definitely NOT no-risk-no-reward they so fiercely promote.

@dabombtrigga
You don't need few thousand full time detectives. Only a handful with fake Discord accounts. How? Create a discord account, infiltrate. Can't get simpler than that. From what I understand, they have a central hub on discord, server hop until players on the server match. And there you go. 5 people to be banned assuming it's a 6 ppl sever. Or 4 ppl to ban for 5 ppl severs. And then you just keep going. Word is gonna spread so fast, have no doubt about that. They just need to do it a couple of time randomly.

And this is only doing the hard way. For the love of God, World of Warcraft and many other MMO games have game masters, or equivalents. With real-time server monitoring. Logs. In game invisibility, teleporting, you name it. Actual in-game dev commands.

If they don't have that at their disposal or something similar, honestly, that's borderline amateurism.

@redemntion7056

1. You don't need to sell faster since no one is going to sink you.

2. Lots of games restrict content in offline, custom difficulty, and easy modes.

Sovereigns are a High Seas perk.

@pithyrumble

1. You don't have to tell us how much we will value our time. It's none of your concern, with all due respect.
2. Lots of games don't.
3. We're past just SS subject here. You may wanna stay up to date.

@dabombtrigga said in Sovereigns in Safer Seas:

@r3vanns

I think it would be extraordinarily difficult to discern an alliance server from a server where people just decided to form an alliance naturally.

How is this enforced without hiring a few thousand full time detectives?

You're going to see numbers in the thousands of people who use these services in about 3-4 major discord groups. It isn't a secret at all as they have been around for as long as the game has been around in at least some form. Some of them have (or at least had I have no idea anymore) official partners in the ranks of people who run them. It used to be a major talking point on the forums regarding that last bit. If Rare wanted to they could simply join any of these 4 discord groups and blanket warn/ban all of the users of them as linking your discord and xbox live account is a requirement to join. So far they haven't.

@blue-sfumato
If that's so, then I'm even more dying to know what is the valid reason of allowing that, and not allowing PvE only servers. It's 99% the same thing.

The only difference is that you wouldn't have to waste time joining Discord groups and potentially being forced to do stuff that's expected of you in such servers - for gold farming.

Official partners? For heaven's sake, have these same partners on officially supported servers. I don't get it... I probably never won't. The only thing that would justify this is pure stubbornness and ego. Everything else just makes no sense.

They are public and free to join and about a google search away to see how prevelant they are used and how many players use them. I'm surprised you haven't heard about this.

I didn't mean to derail the conversation. I'm unfollowing this topic as I don't want to be pinged forever in an internet fight that I have no actual dog in. You lot have fun.

@blue-sfumato said in Sovereigns in Safer Seas:

I didn't mean to derail the conversation. I'm unfollowing this topic as I don't want to be pinged forever in an internet fight that I have no actual dog in. You lot have fun.

@dabombtrigga
Yea I get what you're trying to say. But it still doesn't explain why then there are no PvE only servers in the game. You fail to provide me a legitimate answer to that question.

And that's the MAIN question here. I mentioned banning Alliance servers, not for the sake of banning them. But if you're allowing forming pure PvE servers outside of the game via third party, why then just not allow it regularly? It is happening, and it's everywhere as you claim. So just make it official, if everything is by the book. There's no grey zone nonsense here. It exists, and if it's allowed to exist, it SHOULD exist as a regular thing.

That way nobody loses anything. You still have a chance of legit alliances in High Seas as you should, and you also appease PvE only community.

Especially if you take into consideration risk and reward. It's not fair that people share progress with you in HS, and make millions without any risk as well as all the possible commendations that should be hard to get.

It doesn't help their "no risk no reward" credibility, simply by allowing them to exist. So either close them, or give PvE only content to PvE only crowd, and separate the progress from HS.

@r3vanns said in Sovereigns in Safer Seas:

@dabombtrigga
And that's precisely my point. As a company, if you don't condone it, aren't you supposed to do something about it? It's basically an exploit using game's mechanics.

Which kinda brings me to the next question - why Rare still didn't do anything about them? If it's money related, then by all means, just do what I mentioned earlier. Nothing stops you from just making PvE only servers with progress separated from HS. Which would actually be MORE FAIR, legit accepted since they as a company would implement it, and you would definitely earn more income that way, than allowing Alliance servers to still exist. And let's be real, they could track every single person involved there only if they wanted to.

What's even more hilarious to me, is that the same people that are against PvE servers, are actually suggesting to people to play on Alliance servers, and I don't see them complaining of the existence of these servers. Like, what? It's a complete paradox and makes zero sense.

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I am 90% PvE player, and have never EVER even considered playing on Alliance servers. Because that's against CoC, and should be banable. I'd rather have Rare finally make this a legit thing, since so many people want this.

From Rare's own CoC:

Activities such as teaming or boosting to gain an advantage over other players in competitive game modes may also result in enforcement action.

Literally what Alliance servers are. And definitely NOT no-risk-no-reward they so fiercely promote.

Your quote in there about teaming is about Arena mode... it's outdated.

Also as for your Question. Why no PvE servers? Because it's not the game Rare wants to make. The simple truth is they don't want to. They want a pvpve adventure game. There doesn't need to be more answer than that.

If all games were designed to make everyone happy, they would all suck. We need games that fill certain niches. That way we have games for a variety of reasons and people.

@knurd9369

There's a difference between having relatively small set of alliance servers, that are likely too much bother chase and shut down, and having massively available PvE servers.

Ye you got that right, there's a difference. First is against their own Code Of Conduct, and the second one would be legit.

@SpinyGoat610600

Seriously people stop with the gatekeeping.

I don’t care how people choose to enjoy video games either. Video games are meant to be fun and enjoyable.

This right here! ^ This is a TL:DR.

Safer Seas is a tutorial mode, it is not a PvE server and never will be no matter how much you cry.

If you want to call the process that all of us players have had to go through to survive in SoT a Gatekeep, that's your problem, no one put a gun to your head to make you play.

If you don't like what SoT offers as it is, go play something else that suits your tastes, I don't understand what right you have to come to a forum to demand things when you have played so few hours that you don't even know how the core game mechanics work, you just hate a core component of the game and want to adapt it to your liking.

If you don't like being robbed, there are many ways to play without that happening in a high percentage of occasions, there are many veterans in this forum that avoid PvP and have played for thousands of hours, the difference between you and them is that they have decided to learn and improve instead of crying in the corners demanding stupid changes to the core mechanics of the game.

SoT is a PvPvE environment where nobody dictates you how to play, you choose, it's a dangerous environment, if you don't like it, go to another game, it's very simple.

Y'all are funny with your "gatekeeping".
Truth is there are multiple doors available, some potentially leading to slightly riskier situations, and rewarding those who cross it with additional perks. People are free to chose whichever door they want, the only thing preventing anyone to do anything is their will to take those chances and face additional challenges.

You are your own gatekeeper, not those who set the rules in the world that they created and that you chose to partake in. It's their world and rules, take them or leave them! Oh and voice your opinions about it all you want, just don't get salty when you don't get the answer you wanted.

@spinygoat610600

I repeat, as I said tons of time before.

You don´t need speed up your selling because nobody is going to steal anything from you, there is no risk on Safer Seas, so Captaincy doesn´t make any senses.

If you want to farm milestones and fast selling , go to High Seas, if you want to sail without risk but selling like old times without your own ship, stay on Safer Seas.

Gatekeep doesn´t exist, is you trying to avoid a core mechanic like PvP is and excusing your mistakes in others.

You can do every single PvE Event in the game since minute 1, no gatekeep at all, but if someone better than you wants your loot, that person will take it and that is not gatekeep, is Sea of Thieves working as intended.

If you don´t like it, just move on, go to another game man, nobody is asking you to stay, but don´t lie, you are the only gatekeeper because instead of learning and improving, you choose to cry and blame others for your own skill issues.

Somebody sinks my ship and steals my loot - "Damn gatekeepers, always ruining my fun".

@spinygoat610600
Don't waste your breath. Majority of these people are like broken records. Either deliberately avoiding to answer some valid counter-points, or just being plain illiterate.

They literally brainlessly copy-paste replying without even keeping track with conversation. It's sad really, also hilarious at the same time. :D

@spinygoat610600
And I stand with you there. It's just that actual debate is being lost/derailed by copy-paste comments we both keep seeing. Might as well have moderators dropping an anchor on this one. That should brighten up their day. :)

@r3vanns

I'm going to quote something you replied to a fellow forum member (Interestingly, one of those people who doesn't like PvP and has bothered to improve and learn so she can enjoy PvE without too much trouble) and I'm going to use the same thing you replied against you, so you can be aware of how stupid your answers are when your argument falls apart.

"You don't have to tell us how much we will value our time. It's none of your concern, with all due respect."

You also don't have to tell the company how to develop their video game, you don't have to tell Rare whether their vision of a PvPvE environment is right or wrong , you don't have to come to a forum being a newbie to the game to tell anyone how it should be played or not, you don't have to come to the forum to demand absolutely nothing when you still don't even know how to maintain the angle of the ship while gunning the enemy.

I think you understood me pretty well, if you like the game, enjoy it as it is, all games have their restrictions, the decision to accept them is up to the player.

If you don't like the game, instead of trying to adapt it to your tastes against a whole community that has been playing and supporting it for YEARS, what you have to do is go somewhere else where your cries will be heard, because it's clear that improving and adapting is something that doesn't exist in your dictionary.

@rahn82
The "real game" is 90% PvE content. Also, that idea is a complete nonsense, and doesn't encourage anything. Who wants to play on HS, your "real" game, they will play there. With or without SS, with or without SS rewards.

PS. and it anyways really ain't nothing that should concern you. Play your "real game".

@spinygoat610600
I'd understand if their fear was rational, justified. But this is just plain ignorance, spite, and jumping on a bandwagon for something Rare said in the ancient past that anyways realistically doesn't affect them at all.

PS. but yea, another PvE topic completely derailed and butchered again. Can't believe that I'm even saying this but @Look-Behind-You, I believe that slapping "SS is not meant to be" macro here should make your day and dropping an anchor.

@spinygoat610600 said in Sovereigns in Safer Seas:

You’re right we don’t have to provide feedback and suggestions but we can if we feel so inclined.

You don’t have to reply to a topic you disagree with out of fear it may be implemented but you do.

Is anybody right or wrong here for having their own opinion, I don’t think so.

While i may not agree with your main stance, this is the most true thing that can be said on any forum that people generally need to learn.

My personal stance is just that sot should stay as a whole a pvpve game. I simply dont want safer seas to become a whole lot more than as the devs called it, "an extended tuttorial" just because i dont want the game too heavily split up. But in every way you are right that everyone can have their own opinion on the matter.

Even i have a close friend who disagrees with my stance on safer seas, but we both accept that we disagree on it.

I'll just add this one last thing before unfollowing this thread simply cuz I got tired of it:

Who wants to farm, they'll do it on Alliance servers (which are against CoC, but oh well, most of you suggest them, ironically). Who doesn't want to put up with other people and wants to farm without alliance shenanigans, they would've done it in SS only if it wasn't butchered. And there is still some crowd that plays SS only even with all those restrictions.

All three of these types, ain't gonna be playing your PvPvE mode. These are FARMERS. And if not farmers, just people that like to play alone with everything unlocked. There is no restriction that will make them go HS, there is no reasoning you can toss out here. You don't know better what people need, than those people know what they need. They want to play the game on their own way.

And since alliance servers are already a thing, just allow regular PvE servers. You know why?

Because TL:DR - your player base is already split up, from a long time ago. Rare and people highly supporting them on this matter just refuse to acknowledge it, whether due to ego, spite, or whatever.

Anyways, wind in your back everyone! Thank you for the talk.

@spinygoat610600 I'm not here to parrot what Rare says. I agree with keeping SS a truncated experience that is useful for tall tales and being a tutorial.

I'm still against SS existing in the first place.

I'm also against the decision to include the Pirates Life AND Monkey Island tall tales. I've said my peace on those before. I was so anti Pirates Life that I stepped away from the forums and the game for awhile. Playing only the time limited content.

SS is in a good spot for what it's intended to be, but I don't have to like it. I don't want it to get more features that are currently exclusive to HS.

I'm hoping Rare brings back more time limited voyages and commendations, they should also be exclusive to HS. This is meant to be a PvEvP game, and removing an E or a P should have consequences. In SS you can only do so much. In pvp whether it was Arena or HG you can really only work on those factions.

Keep it mixed for the full experience.