Hi guys,
I am trying to 100% the game's achievements and these are some of the last achievements I need in the game. As of S11, the tattered papers cannot be found in barrels making them even more difficult to find. Additionally, you can no longer receive the gunpowder barrel deliveries through voyages.
Does anyone know a way around getting these achievements it's going to be even more difficult to get them done than it already was!
Any help would be appreciated.
@darbot6503 Yes, the Merchant Forager achievement is back to taking the same amount of time as it used to in Y1 as the server hopping for quests at the outposts is no longer a thing in S11. (The removal of all voyages from the barrels is a design per the release notes).
So you have to find bottles or those mysterious journals to get your emergent quests now. Shipwrecks, washed up on beaches, or in barrles of plenty out at sea. Luckily the spawns of the mysterious journals on some of the islands are fairly common and predictable. Snake Island has 10+ possible spawns... etc...
Alternatively... Dive to the easy GH quest over and over and scout for bottles as you tap the two digs needed to cancel the re-dive cooldown.
Personally glad to see the cheese be removed from the game (especially those which could be exploited by server hopping and not even having to leave the spawn point), but they do need to balance the bottle spawns a bit as a lot of commendations/cheevos... and now exclusive loot is tied to these quests specifically.
@artie said in [Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?]
Personally glad to see the cheese be removed from the game (especially those which could be exploited by server hopping and not even having to leave the spawn point), but they do need to balance the bottle spawns a bit as a lot of commendations/cheevos... and now exclusive loot is tied to these quests specifically.
The cheese be removed? Omg lol.
Before season 11 it was difficult to find fruit, wood and cannonball crate voyages.
Now it’s nearly impossible.
And you’re happy the cheese is removed?
There was no cheese regarding these dumb voyages they were already hard to find and unable to be purchased from the merchant.
These commendations can stay unfinished for all I care. It’s ridiculous how hard it is to find the voyages now.
Before s11 I finished all my animal voyage comms and was able to get my gunpowder barrel voyage comms done as well.
Thank God.
I think a new merchant voyage type specifically for these dumb supply quests is needed 100% or remove the commendations.
@faintnote798922 said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
@artie said in [Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?]
Personally glad to see the cheese be removed from the game (especially those which could be exploited by server hopping and not even having to leave the spawn point), but they do need to balance the bottle spawns a bit as a lot of commendations/cheevos... and now exclusive loot is tied to these quests specifically.
The cheese be removed? Omg lol.
Before season 11 it was difficult to find fruit, wood and cannonball crate voyages.
Now it’s nearly impossible.
And you’re happy the cheese is removed?
There was no cheese regarding these dumb voyages they were already hard to find and unable to be purchased from the merchant.
These commendations can stay unfinished for all I care. It’s ridiculous how hard it is to find the voyages now.
Before s11 I finished all my animal voyage comms and was able to get my gunpowder barrel voyage comms done as well.
Thank God.
I think a new merchant voyage type specifically for these dumb supply quests is needed 100% or remove the commendations.
People server hopping and scouring barrels at outposts is cheesing by definition. They weren't doing these organically.
As forntheir difficulty, I have no horse in that race. If rare buffs them in some way, fine by me. If not, fine by me!
Are they "too" hard? Messages weren't in barrels for most of year 1. And the commendation requirements were higher. And yet people not inky met the current number during that time, but exceeded them before rare nerfed the requirements (brief history of overachiever sails.)
So not only was it possible to complete these achievements under conditions very similar to today, people did so in a mere matter of months. If rare chooses to stay with the status quo, it certainly isn't unachievable.
@strangeness said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
@faintnote798922 said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
@artie said in [Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?]
Personally glad to see the cheese be removed from the game (especially those which could be exploited by server hopping and not even having to leave the spawn point), but they do need to balance the bottle spawns a bit as a lot of commendations/cheevos... and now exclusive loot is tied to these quests specifically.
The cheese be removed? Omg lol.
Before season 11 it was difficult to find fruit, wood and cannonball crate voyages.
Now it’s nearly impossible.
And you’re happy the cheese is removed?
There was no cheese regarding these dumb voyages they were already hard to find and unable to be purchased from the merchant.
These commendations can stay unfinished for all I care. It’s ridiculous how hard it is to find the voyages now.
Before s11 I finished all my animal voyage comms and was able to get my gunpowder barrel voyage comms done as well.
Thank God.
I think a new merchant voyage type specifically for these dumb supply quests is needed 100% or remove the commendations.
People server hopping and scouring barrels at outposts is cheesing by definition. They weren't doing these organically.
As forntheir difficulty, I have no horse in that race. If rare buffs them in some way, fine by me. If not, fine by me!
Are they "too" hard? Messages weren't in barrels for most of year 1. And the commendation requirements were higher. And yet people not inky met the current number during that time, but exceeded them before rare nerfed the requirements (brief history of overachiever sails.)
So not only was it possible to complete these achievements under conditions very similar to today, people did so in a mere matter of months. If rare chooses to stay with the status quo, it certainly isn't unachievable.
There is zero penalty for switching servers. It is completely fine to do.
Just switching servers wasn’t a guarantee you would find one of these hard to find and extremely boring and not valuable merchant supply quests.
The only reason to do them was for the commendations.
You don’t know what you’re talking about honestly.
If you already have these comms completed do not comment on this topic.
This issue is real and needs to be addressed.
The fruit, cannonball, wood and gunpowder barrel voyages should be available to choose on the quest table.
I don’t really care if they are standalone or bundled with the animal voyages but the way it is now is not acceptable.
@faintnote798922 said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
There is zero penalty for switching servers. It is completely fine to do.
Never said it wasn't. Cheesing is not the same as exploiting. It is completely fine to loss farm hourglass too. And thays also cheesing. I don't care if people cheese their way to what they want. It doesn't impact me. But I don't deny reality either.
Just switching servers wasn’t a guarantee you would find one of these hard to find and extremely boring and not valuable merchant supply quests.
No, but it greatly decreased the time it took to find one randomly, given how odds and statistics work. Hence. Cheesing.
Extremely boring for who? Not valuable for who? If they literally have no value then nobody would care how rare they are. This is counter to your own point and injects your subjective narrative instead of an objective argument against the points I made.
The only reason to do them was for the commendations.
So they had value then. Got it.
You don’t know what you’re talking about honestly.
Can you name one thing I got factually wrong? When were notes added to the barrel UI? How common were messages in a bottle in year 1? When did rare introduce the overachiever sails and why? Did people complete those commendations under those conditions and how were they easier than they are now? If I don't k ow what I'm talking about, beat my arguments with FACTS.
If you already have these comms completed do not comment on this topic.
Firstly, you do not have the authority (moral or otherwise) to tell me what I can and cannot comment on. Just because the facts are not on your side does not entitle you to try and silence me.
Secondly, my gamertag is visible here. My achievements are viewable from my gamer profile. There are achievements that directly align with the associated commendations.
I don't have all of them yet. That is verifiable. So even if I accepted your premise thay only people impacted by this change should comment (and I thoroughly reject this premise), it just so happens that I meet your utterly absurd and arbitrary criteria and am indeed impacted. And I stand by everything I said before.
This issue is real and needs to be addressed.
The fruit, cannonball, wood and gunpowder barrel voyages should be available to choose on the quest table.
Only gunpowder was an option through old purchase able quests, which the quest table replaced. Fruit, wood, cannonballs were always bottle (barrel) quests only. So not I ly are you asking for a buff, but you want to change the very nature of those quests from how they were the whole history of the game. That's even worse...
I don’t really care if they are standalone or bundled with the animal voyages but the way it is now is not acceptable.
I find it acceptable. So your subjective declaration starts and ends there.
Be mad, I don’t really care.
If commendations exist they should be able to be completed.
I’m well aware the fruit, wood and crate voyages were always found in barrels and such and I think that was a dumb design decision.
The difference is now barrels don’t have maps anymore and the likelihood of finding these voyages in bottles has gone down.
They should all have been bundled with the animal voyages like the gunpowder barrels were before season 11.
Again this is just bad design.
Each commendation requires 50 completions and they are nearly impossible to find and you think that’s just dandy.
God I envy your lack of common sense.
Not mad, just pointing out the flaws in your argument. And you still haven't refuted them. You clearly didn't play or don't remember barrels v1. You don't remember or didn't okay when the commendations were much higher than 50. You didn't know and refuse to relize that people completed those commendations under much tougher circumstances that today.
That, purely by the numbers, means they are not impossible now. They are easier now than they were at launch, and people completed them in that early launch window.
You're wrong. Proven wrong. If you choose to ostrich, that's on you, but doing so publicly isn't a good look. But it's not my reputation or image on the line and I find this while thing humorous the more it continues.
@strangeness said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
Not mad, just pointing out the flaws in your argument. And you still haven't refuted them. You clearly didn't play or don't remember barrels v1. You don't remember or didn't okay when the commendations were much higher than 50. You didn't know and refuse to relize that people completed those commendations under much tougher circumstances that today.
That, purely by the numbers, means they are not impossible now. They are easier now than they were at launch, and people completed them in that early launch window.
You're wrong. Proven wrong. If you choose to ostrich, that's on you, but doing so publicly isn't a good look. But it's not my reputation or image on the line and I find this while thing humorous the more it continues.
We have commendation gatekeepers that’s how bad the gatekeeping is in this community.
It’s so sad.
Not sure if you're directing the gatekeep ing comment at me. But ifbi don't have the commendations, I can't be gatekeeping them.
The most pertinentis this, and again, you can verify this, no need to take my word for it.
I am at 81 out of 100 gunpowder barrels. Since that is one commendation that WAS in normal voyages and bot just bottles, that got significantly harder. If I've been averaging less than 20 a year, I'm a ways away from finishing it.
And I'm not here begging rare to make it easier. If they do, fine. If not, fine. What WILL change is that I often ignored those bottle voyages if I was doing I felt was more important. Now they've increased in value and I'll be far more inclined to go out of my way to complete them. That seems like a healthy improvement to that type of bottle quest and I'm not opposed to it.
Certainly not gatekeeping it.
Honestly I’ve lost the desire to converse with you.
Not because you’ve won or are right but because I’ve realized that it’s a pointless thing to do.
There are quite a few people here that I truly hate, they make my blood boil and honestly if it was Twitter I would probably tell them exactly how I really feel but here clearly I can’t do that.
I’m done with this topic. Just screw these dumb comms. Whether they get completed or not means nothing in the grand scheme of life.
That’s why I just can’t understand why gatekeepers not only exist but so vehemently defend terrible game design.
Oh well. On to other things.
You know those super common coral bottles that guarantee a breath quest???
Well the commendation “Seeker of the Sea” requires you to turn in only 30 breaths of the sea.
Meanwhile the commendations associated with fruit, wood, cannonball and gpb require you to turn in 50 for the first three and 100 for the gpb yet these voyages are not guaranteed when you find a bottle and thus are much harder to find.
And Wiki info must be incorrect - “A Merchant Contract is a type of Quest or Voyage issued by the Merchant Alliance in Sea of Thieves. These contracts commission Player Crews to find and deliver various Trade Goods such as Animals, Explosives or Resource Crates.”
See the stupid resource crates and explosives were always meant to be bundled with the animal voyages.
What changed Rare? Do you not want people completing these commendations?
These are supposed to be voyages you can vote on from the quest table not found in bottles that’s for the new s tier loot remember Rare?
Fix it please.
@burnbacon said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
gunpowder barrel deliveries through voyages
Skeleton Forts?
Also wrecks.
@unleet1 said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
Yeah, will add I haven't seen a bottle gunpowder/crate delivery note in Season 11.
I’ve had one gunpowder barrel and 2 wood crates spread out over different sessions. So they do exist, but are not balanced very well with all the changes.
Just wanted to add that to show they aren’t gone, just even more rare than before.
They also nerfed humble and generous gifts with the island captain changes and diving to events. So some commendations definitely slipped their minds and they didn’t take into consideration what certain changes would mean for people.
A cheese is a cheese... Yes server hopping is a cheese.. do it if you want for your completion... who cares.. it's your completion... you're accomplishment.
Bottle quests should require people to leave the outposts... and thank god S11 makes it so. The drop rates should be balanced though... That's the proper fix. I say get spreadsheet guy on it.
Of course, buying resources at the outpost is another cheese added to the game for the lazy... Never understood why people were so opposed to playing the game. It's never been hard to grab stuff out of barrels when sailing/island hopping.
Back to your normal squabbles... :)
If the devs care about their game... Balancing the drops so they are commensurate with the scale of the commendations. It doesn't matter if it's Banana Crates or Shrouded Ghosts. Get a QA team to validate the reasonableness of the achievement... long before it hits retail release.
@faintnote798922 said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
I’m well aware the fruit, wood and crate voyages were always found in barrels and such and I think that was a dumb design decision.
This is false. Until the addition of Barrels 2.0 of the game there were ZERO voyages in barrels. Banana, Wood, and Cannonball voyages were ALWAYS emergent voyages at release and have remained so for the entire life of the game. As it should have been. In fact, of the three they had different drop rates with wood crates being the rarest of all (cannonball crates the common and banana crates in the middle)....The wood crate was SOO rare more people had the Shrouded Ghost title, than the 50 wood crate contract title.
Ultimately Rare normalized the drop rate of the resource crates so they are equal. This was proper balancing. Now, they just need to correct the bottle drop rate so a player can reasonably get the Merchant Resource Crate Contracts while playing Adventure in a reasonable amount of time. 4 to 6 months seem fair to me... Commendations that can be cheesed in a week are just as lame as those impossible over a lifetime.
@faintnote798922 said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
And Wiki info must be incorrect - “A Merchant Contract is a type of Quest or Voyage issued by the Merchant Alliance in Sea of Thieves. These contracts commission Player Crews to find and deliver various Trade Goods such as Animals, Explosives or Resource Crates.”
See the stupid resource crates and explosives were always meant to be bundled with the animal voyages.
NOPE
The wiki is badly worded. The purchasable merchant contracts NEVER included resource crates. Gunpowder barrels yes.. Merchant contracts with resource crates have always been emergent, and the emergent ones NEVER included animals.
Didn't your schoolteachers ever tell you not to use Wiki as sources for your papers?
@strangeness said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
Are they "too" hard? Messages weren't in barrels for most of year 1. And the commendation requirements were higher. And yet people not inky met the current number during that time, but exceeded them before rare nerfed the requirements (brief history of overachiever sails.)
So not only was it possible to complete these achievements under conditions very similar to today, people did so in a mere matter of months. If rare chooses to stay with the status quo, it certainly isn't unachievable.
IE, to be 100% accurate... No player managed to complete Merchant Forager achievement (and the base SOT achievements) before Barrells 2.0... And only 1 player managed to turn in 1000 before the nerf to 50... The server hopping cheese was the only way to complete the original achievement at the time and only 1 person managed to do it. Of course, the morning of 1000->50 Nerf everyone over started popping theirs... (including me).
Since then, bottles/journals have been plentiful for non-cheesing and regular-adventure players to catch up.... and Rare improved the drop rate so the Fruit/Wood crates were just as common as the Cannonball crates. Those were positive changes. I'm confident now with the new emergent exclusive loot pool and the importance of bottle quests for adventure going forward, they will adjust the drop rates accordingly.... Of course, once they do... I fully expect to see the thread complaining about getting too many Resource crate contracts when they want Kingly/Crown-exclusive loot maps. (Presuming the island reset cheese currently being used is not viable in the future.)
@artie said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
@strangeness said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
Are they "too" hard? Messages weren't in barrels for most of year 1. And the commendation requirements were higher. And yet people not inky met the current number during that time, but exceeded them before rare nerfed the requirements (brief history of overachiever sails.)
So not only was it possible to complete these achievements under conditions very similar to today, people did so in a mere matter of months. If rare chooses to stay with the status quo, it certainly isn't unachievable.
IE, to be 100% accurate... No player managed to complete Merchant Forager achievement (and the base SOT achievements) before Barrells 2.0... And only 1 player managed to turn in 1000 before the nerf to 50... The server hopping cheese was the only way to complete the original achievement at the time and only 1 person managed to do it. Of course, the morning of 1000->50 Nerf everyone over started popping theirs... (including me).
Since then, bottles/journals have been plentiful for non-cheesing and regular-adventure players to catch up.... and Rare improved the drop rate so the Fruit/Wood crates were just as common as the Cannonball crates. Those were positive changes. I'm confident now with the new emergent exclusive loot pool and the importance of bottle quests for adventure going forward, they will adjust the drop rates accordingly.... Of course, once they do... I fully expect to see the thread complaining about getting too many Resource crate contracts when they want Kingly/Crown-exclusive loot maps. (Presuming the island reset cheese currently being used is not viable in the future.)
Yes, to be transparent, I was saying that many people earned the overachiever sails and completed the 50-count before the nerf to commendations and therefore insta-popped on nerf day. But that was still all in the y1 time frame, barrels v1, etc. I was attempting to compare as close to apples to apples as far as commendation counts and frequency of voyages in y1. They can't be directly compared due to a variety of variables, but it's the closest. Comparing to the original 1,000-count wouldn't be productive and that was never my intent. Though I can see how someone might've interpreted my responses that way.
I don't oppose rare making balancing changes. I think a read through all of my posts here have been consistent in that point. But I'm saying that if they make zero changes and decide this is the balance they want, I'd be okay with it. It's not too far from y1 and plenty of overachiever sails prove that.
Considering the bottle voyages I've already seen since S11, I can comfortably say that anyone screaming that these are "impossible" now is simply wrong. The bottles still exist. The emergent voyages are still in the bottles. The drop rate is not specifically known, but not zero or near zero. Anyone trying could complete these as-is over time and with a greater success rate that "hunting" a shrouded ghost, for example.
If rare changes it. Fine. If not, fine. I only push back on false narratives, people coming in here with overt negativity towards game design and designers with terms like "dumb," and zero clue about the history or long term health of the game. It is a myopic view that deserves push back and a balanced response articulating an alternative reasonable viewpoint.
False. I have the overachiever sails without even farming for those quests,i never cared actually,yet i got them,i played since the release (and before).
Since this season started i got exactly 0 of those quests,even by actually LOOKING for the new bottle voyages (since they are far more profitable than sot of thieves new voyages). Never got a pathetic crate of wood etcetera.
Those commendations Need a rework.
@tossico94 said in Fruit crates / Gunpowder barrels tattered papers near to impossible to find now?:
@strangeness
False. I have the overachiever sails without even farming for those quests,i never cared actually,yet i got them,i played since the release (and before).
There were 7 achievements tied to the overachiver sails... Merchant Forager was simply one of those. The 100 gunpowder barrels was likely the easiest of the 7 nerfed achievements that got the overachiever sails awarded at the time as those could be farmed from the merchant voyages on demand.
The point Is i didnt farm at all,i was and im still not interested in commendations Who gives nothing
