Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles (Temporary)

@gaudierpuppy866 Ive got over 2000 hours in game and I can say without a doubt that kegs are absolutely not the way to sink bigger ships, any half way decent crew is going to save the ship even if it's been kegged. The way to beat bigger ships is with distance and skill, hitting longer and better shots and beating them down over time. I'm not saying that people haven't used them to sink a bigger ship, but I am saying that anyone who seriously plays this game for pvp isn't running around trying to get keg plays to sink people. They're unlikely to work and usually a waste of time.

@reverend-toast The cheaters using aim assist are absolutely beatable, they aren't the game breaking problem, I did 8 hourglass fights on PC servers yesterday and was kegged 4 times by cheaters, that's the problem. I don't see anywhere that Kelz is being rude or patronizing to anyone at all. If anything other people are on the attack at the suggestion of any kind of change to the game that is obviously having major issues with the way it's set up now. The Ultimate answer would be for Rare to simply monitor the movent of character models throughout the servers, if any player model moves at a certain speed and distance then immediately kick them from the server, no ban, no trouble, just simply kick them, let them rejoin just like if they disconnected and as soon as the player model makes an unrealistic movent kick then again. If they implemented this one thing it would completely stop the the game breaking cheats. Aimbot and esp will never go away, but flying kegs are a ridiculous thing to try to defend against. Aimbot and esp users often have little to go game sense and can be beaten with naval superiority.

@evilb0oberry said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

@riptide3683 I don't see how removing regular kegs from the game "hurts" regular players, no one takes kegs for the most part, they blow them as soon as the vaults are opened. It's a small sacrifice to make the game more playable for those of us that do want to pvp. I only get a few hours a week to play and to have half of my time taken by cheaters is discouraging. I've stopped spending money on emporium items and no longer feel the drive to support the game development because I feel abandoned by the Dev team. Hopefully they come up with some viable solutions but atleast something like this being done temporarily would put a patch on the leaking pipe that's drowning us.

I suppose it would be somewhat of a solution as long as it's temporary. Hopefully we get some form of adressing hitreg and cheating in S10. tbh now that I think about it, I can't remember the last time I made a keg play.

@evilb0oberry Yeah I agree more monitoring systems need to be implemented. I have noticed that "Goofy" launches have dropped considerably as of late... so I think some of the exploitable systems are being worked on.

If they could add some sort of recording system, like Halo did back in the day (Where it didn't record video, but the server view of the match (So you could move the camera and such) it would be super helpful... like if you did an "Ingame report" and the system then took the last and next 5-10 minutes to be flagged for moderation.

And while it may have not been intended, the Asterix on a post I was tagged in explaining what Steam is felt patronizing, especially if you look at my time in game and how old my profile actually is.

@soulstinger2k20 That is wildly untrue, I am getting kegged from the sky in 30-50% of my hourglass fights on PC servers, in the 50-70% of fights where I don't get kegged I rarely fight anyone who I suspect much less can prove is using esp or aimbot.

@reverend-toast I feel like you misread the * add on at the end, I read it as a genuine comment for not only you but anyone else reading the post who maybe didn't know what steam was. I don't believe she's trying to belittle or talk down to anyone, we're all here trying to do the same thing and that's to have an open discussion on ways to fix the game, some of those fixes may need to be a temporary bandaid and that's what I believe the keg removal idea to be, it's not the answer and it can't be taken away forever, but to remove them for long enough to make the game fun again while Rare works out a permanent fix seems like a very small sacrifice to the player base. The funny launch is definitely not being used as much as it was 2 months ago but I have had it a few times in the last couple weeks, the good thing about them doing that is that much like aimbot and esp they are still able to be killed and I haven't had one get a successful board and kill from doing it. I agree with you that the ultimate fix for the problem isn't the removal of kegs but better server management and moderation, the keg idea isn't meant to be a long term solution.

@riptide3683 Would be great wouldn't it? Thanks for the reply!

@evilb0oberry Yeah was February - March ^^

@zig-zag-ltu Yeah I would absolutely agree with you that the cheating wasn't bad enough to even consider a Temporary solution like is being suggested here to be even thought about when you got the curse. It's only been there last month or two that it's gotten completely unplayable in hourglass before that you would get a cheater every 10-20 fights and you wouldn't keep getting them, right now I haven't been able to get anything over a 5 streak in the last 2 months in PC servers without getting a cheater. If I got back to Xbox servers I can run 20-30 streaks all day, but the fights aren't as good and like I told someone else I don't feel like we should be throwing the PC players under the bus. As someone has the option to not be effected by these cheats I still think it's a game breaking problem that can only go on so long before they lost enough player base that it starts to tank the game. To be very clear when I say a cheater I'm referring to flying keg dropping cheaters, I don't typically call anytime out for aimbot/esp because it's not something I can be %100 sure on most of the time.

@sairdontis We would all like to see them banned, the problem is they can't be banned at the moment, they get an account banned and within 5 minutes they're up and running on another burner account, they have told me that the hardware ban that Rare gives out is extremely easy to defeat and it costs them under $1 to start a new account. At the moment there is no solution and Rare is claiming they're working on it but for how long and to what extent? It's been months that it's been bad. It started to lighten up for a couple weeks until they put out thier statement on how many accounts have been banned and at that point the cheaters came back in force. Still to this point they do what they want with zero punishment.

@ix-indi-xi I fully agree, and not to belittle or sound rude to some of the people commenting on this post but I feel like many of them haven't been playing hourglass primarily in the last couple of months or aren't doing so on PC servers and don't really understand just how unplayable it is. I just did a 25 streak on Xbox servers tonight and it was a blast to be able to play the game without dear of cheater ruining my session and taking all my supplies from me. I would love for the rest on the community who is forced to play in PC servers to have that kind of fun. The down side for me is that a 25 streak in Xbox servers didn't provide a challenging opponent and I didn't get any better at the game because I was never pushed hard enough to improve, I would much rather we fix the issue or at the very least put a bandaid on it until something is figured out. Thanks for your reply and input, I think we're on the same page!

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@kelztastic said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

That's funny, as I thought the true test of skill is to prepare for and overcome such obstacles. If you are taken out by an explosive barrel, maybe you aren't as skilled as you'd like to believe.

Not that i agree with the suggestion
But in regards to getting outdone by cheaters using kegs, there is no way to win those, they fly across the map picking uo kegs and then dropping them from high up in the sky while lit, and then doing that 3~4 times in a 10~20 second period.

There is no way to combat them as a player

To be fair, he never mentioned clearly that it was from flying keggers in the beginning. Big difference between hacker/cheaters & just explosive barrels being used in battle.

So I still disagree with his nuclear approach to the problem as it is not keg related and his "solution" causes more issues than it will solve, this is a report and move on scenario.

What do you think "In terms of the big C" meant. I did state exactly what i was talking about, sure i didnt spell it out. As it seems every post reguarding the forbidden topic gets locked.

Well to me (and probably 90% of people out there) the "Big C" has always meant cancer. It read to me like you had a big issues with kegs and were being melodramatic about it.

@dlchief58 It was painfully obvious by the context on thier post they were talking about cheaters. Anyone who didn't know that and posted things like "learn to watch ladders" had obviously not actually read any of the posts and just jumped in to blindly dispute the post based on the title and a quick skim on the information.

@evilb0oberry said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles (Temporary):

@dlchief58 It was painfully obvious by the context on thier post they were talking about cheaters. Anyone who didn't know that and posted things like "learn to watch ladders" had obviously not actually read any of the posts and just jumped in to blindly dispute the post based on the title and a quick skim on the information.

Sorry but it most certainly was NOT clear as I came in quite early to the conversation and have seen other posts in a similar vein wanting such and such removed because it was "unbalanced". His trying to be cute out of fear of the thread being locked clouded his actual meaning.

@dlchief58 Again, if you looked at the context of the paragraph it was painfully obvious what she were talking about, I believe she was plenty clear and not trying to be "cute" but trying to have a logical and open discussion about an idea to help make the game mode playable again. Out if caution of having the post locked she put "the big C" to not have the discussion shut down immediately. I saw the post when it came up before the edits and that's when I'm referring to it being painfully obvious. If by reading the rest of the paragraph you didn't realize it was referring to slowing the cheating down then you didn't read it indepth. There's obviously lack of attention being payed by anyone who thought she was referring to cancer, and the fact that multiple people have called her "him" while she has the name Kelz and has a female for a profile picture show that lots of people aren't actually reading much and see having knee jerk reaction to the post title and first few lines.

@evilb0oberry Whatever you want to believe to make you feel better. It most certainly was NOT clear to MANY people however, regardless of you simping for them after the fact. Not everyone immediately jumps to the "cheater" argument as some of you do. Besides, why are you even still on this as it has nothing to do with the topic? Seems like you are just out to try and make some of look bad for whatever reason.

I've said my piece and explained why I posted what I did so am done with you and this topic. Let's see if you will drop the bone or continue gnawing on an irrelevant and moot point to gain internet points (HA!).