(1) I seen players hit every shot in rough waves and far apart that you need to aim high to hit them but they can hit ya every time.
(2) at times you can't one shot them which could be hit reg or cheaters hard to tell on this one.
(3) they have alts so recording and then reporting won't do a thing.
(4) there evolving just look at this video if you don't believe me:( https://youtu.be/otNDC2kyUU0
Which is another reason to keep the boost for hg
as far as I know invincibility is currently tied to an exploit where they can't use their weapons while invincible, so if they are using their weapons it might just be hit reg/server issues
aimbot is tough to call because of the lack of evidence and the fact that there are many very skilled players in the game and this content brought in more than ever before
the exploits are definitely becoming more visually extreme, that's pretty clear
it's true that alts make the situation seem pointless at times but people reporting it anyway may eventually serve them down the line if they end up doing a full court press on bans
Ideally they would be collecting data on their own but people reporting always plays a big part in assisting them with identifying cheating.
Keep the pressure on with reporting imo along with the feedback people are sharing. Lower population areas like oce servers get hit hardest so the only way they are gonna get support along with everyone else is to keep those genuine reports flowing in.
Of course it has cheaters.
But it isn't "full of cheaters", which implies some sort of saturation.
In just over 100 matches, I haven't encountered any. If it was as bad as you make it out, then statistically I would've met at least one noticable cheater. And others I've talked to have similar experiences.
None of which says there are no cheaters at all, of course.
The truth is that there are cheaters, but they're not as prevalent this post implies. People who have normal experiences in the game don't post to the forums about them. This gives a lop sided perspective on the issue.
@steppingfish438 it's possible, but if I have it hasn't negatively affected my win rate over time.
On the other hand, I have been falsely accused of cheating, which makes me believe some players don't actually know the difference between cheats and skills. (Again, inflating the perspective on how widespread the issue is).
@steppingfish438 said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
@wolfmanbush ya see that's the issue it is hard to tell at times I agree
Higher population areas have more variety which helps cut down on common cheating encounters but the lower population areas have been getting hit for a year
HG having a lot of lower population stamp issues and interest issues brings the issues from places like oce servers to a lot of other people
I think the tough question here is why have oce servers faced it for a year to the point where it spread? Low population is irrelevant imo. If they had cheating like this a year ago it doesn't matter if there are 10 people playing, that's cheating in the game and needs targeted before it spreads. Imo they are lucky it spread as slowly as it did.
That causes people to think "maybe there is a lot of quiet cheating because look how long it took to start talking about extreme cheating" then it becomes irrelevant how much quiet cheating is happening because people have lost confidence in the process.
Imo they gotta address it all in away thorough way including quiet cheating. People gotta have a clearer picture about what is going on, not only the extreme stuff, not only what people are seeing on stream, they gotta bring some confidence back to the process.
I'm gonna catch some heat from certain players but the problem really took off with the steam release, then adding a competitive mode.
Xbox preferred has significantly less problems.
On a side note: Not every pvp game needs to be an e-sport and a lot of the less favourable attitudes in SoT started with an announcer who said "I can't wait to sign in and ruin someone's day"..........
@pithyrumble said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I'm gonna catch some heat from certain players but the problem really took off with the steam release, then adding a competitive mode.
Yes, yes it did. They never should have done it. I will beat this drum until the death of this game. The Steam release was single handedly the worst thing they did for this game. There was a lot less issues until that version came out. Personally, they should just ban their steam account and hit 'me with a VAC ban. Valve does not care if players go mucking around where they shouldn't and manipulating and changing files.
Xbox preferred has significantly less problems.
That's because in order to cheat on console it requires home brew software and sometimes even direct hardware modification chips. It is possible to do it but it takes LOTS of effort.
On a side note: Not every pvp game needs to be an e-sport and a lot of the less favourable attitudes in SoT started with an announcer who said "I can't wait to sign in and ruin someone's day"..........
Yup.
I agree.
More fun, less competition. Leave that for the CSGo's and Battle Royales.
@pithyrumble said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I'm gonna catch some heat from certain players but the problem really took off with the steam release, then adding a competitive mode.
Xbox preferred has significantly less problems.
On a side note: Not every pvp game needs to be an e-sport and a lot of the less favourable attitudes in SoT started with an announcer who said "I can't wait to sign in and ruin someone's day"..........
The players of the game created this by enjoying watching content that they don't like being a part of lol
Pvp streams were long filled with non competitive pvers that enjoyed watching crews get wrecked in non competitive fights for whatever reason
even though they didn't enjoy getting wrecked themselves.
The views had the streamers chase that content and the devs just followed
If people wanted a different way they should have supported adventure play, investment in servers, balanced risk/reward gameplay,
the players created what the players got imo and all those that didn't have anything to do with content just gotta deal with the effects.
@pithyrumble said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
The partners created you mean 😉
It's not just partners, it's content. People wanted to watch something entirely different than they wanted to play. Devs didn't hold strong to risk/reward because of that engagement.
@wolfmanbush said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
@pithyrumble said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I'm gonna catch some heat from certain players but the problem really took off with the steam release, then adding a competitive mode.
Xbox preferred has significantly less problems.
On a side note: Not every pvp game needs to be an e-sport and a lot of the less favourable attitudes in SoT started with an announcer who said "I can't wait to sign in and ruin someone's day"..........
The players of the game created this by enjoying watching content that they don't like being a part of lol
Pvp streams were long filled with non competitive pvers that enjoyed watching crews get wrecked in non competitive fights for whatever reason
even though they didn't enjoy getting wrecked themselves.
The views had the streamers chase that content and the devs just followed
If people wanted a different way they should have supported adventure play, investment in servers, balanced risk/reward gameplay,
the players created what the players got imo and all those that didn't have anything to do with content just gotta deal with the effects.
I understand what you're saying here.
I think it is more simple than that. SoT ain't a PvP game and Rare and its players should stop treating it like one. Swapping that mentality and taking steps to veer away from that would solve a lot of problems.
SoT is a PvEvP game. By leaning into one side more than the other, it shifts the balance. That includes player mentality.
@personalc0ffee said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I think it is more simple than that. SoT ain't a PvP game and Rare and its players should stop treating it like one. Swapping that mentality and taking steps to veer away from that would solve a lot of problems.
SoT is a PvEvP game. By leaning into one side more than the other, it shifts the balance. That includes player mentality.
People should take accountability for the content they support. When they watch gameplay that is destroying the environment they care about they can't turn around and blame the content creator that chases those views or the devs that chase the engagement.
Viewers of content had the power to support content that supports the environment how they see it.
Content creators chase views, viewers ultimately decide who is popular and what style is popular.
Mass hopping, coordinated hopping, flooding the dock with supplies, quick action, mass wiping servers of activity, these destroyed the organic environment and it was supported by viewership (a significant amount of pvers as well) the entire time.
@wolfmanbush said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
@personalc0ffee said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I think it is more simple than that. SoT ain't a PvP game and Rare and its players should stop treating it like one. Swapping that mentality and taking steps to veer away from that would solve a lot of problems.
SoT is a PvEvP game. By leaning into one side more than the other, it shifts the balance. That includes player mentality.
People should take accountability for the content they support. When they watch gameplay that is destroying the environment they care about they can't turn around and blame the content creator that chases those views or the devs that chase the engagement.
Viewers of content had the power to support content that supports the environment how they see it.
Content creators chase views, viewers ultimately decide who is popular and what style is popular.
I agree. It is why I don't support that kind of content.
I watch players like Hitbo and Phuzzybond.
Youtube is full of shameless hack videos. It’s kind of disturbing. I stick to Xbox servers for competitive play thankfully. But when I do play on PC servers, it doesn’t take long before some sweaty blunder snipe combo gets me very quickly uninterested.
I don’t really run into cheaters on PC because I don’t play on PC long enough to run into them. I always get sick of fighting people who two tap me before I can react to anything and it sucks cause it’s the only weapon combo anyone half decent uses anymore. Besides me ranting though, yeah, I hear it’s very common nowadays. Hang in there. Rare’ll sort it out. They might take some time is all. It’s frustrating I know. But they’re people just like us.
I've only seen 1 hacker with the kegs and all since this update
Now have I seen questionable things sure. Just sucks because now I have to question everything on PC servers strictly because its hard to say if people are cheating at least on Xbox worst it could be is they use a xim and play on mouse and keyboard.
Hackers are around I just don't think its as bad as people think. But regardless it is happening and hope its fixed
Yea, out of morbid curiosity I went on to youtube and viewed some of the hack "advertisements" and videos. Seeing how they work I can honestly say the players I've accused of cheating in the past were probably not cheating. I've seen no teleporting, no water running, no shooting through walls, and nothing I've seen would cause a shipwreck to spawn in front of me (that was so weird but I guess random).
Yes I've played a few matches where the hit ratio seems a little high for your average player, but then I watch content creators and think "ok some people can probably shoot this good." The fact that they missed a few shots is decent evidence that they probably weren't cheating, or were toggling it on and off to appear as though they weren't cheating.
I'm not saying cheating isn't rampant in the game, I'm just saying now that I know what to look for I probably haven't encountered that many...
For sure there are cheaters out there and some regions are probably more problematic. However, it seems to me like there are far more people paranoid about being cheat than actual cheaters. I think so because I am not a cheater and I consider myself average but got called a cheater at least 4 times that I can remember.
Newer people just don’t always see you spam food to survive and they think you are invincible. Or they wonder how the other guy can be so good with the cannon or with his eye of reach but they do not know that he is a TSD/LSD with over 8k hours of mostly pvp under his belt.
So yes there are cheaters, yes probably more since season 8, and yes it needs to be addressed. But let’s not get paranoid about it.
@lafrules said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
For sure there are cheaters out there and some regions are probably more problematic. However, it seems to me like there are far more people paranoid about being cheat than actual cheaters. I think so because I am not a cheater and I consider myself average but got called a cheater at least 4 times that I can remember.
Newer people just don’t always see you spam food to survive and they think you are invincible. Or they wonder how the other guy can be so good with the cannon or with his eye of reach but they do not know that he is a TSD/LSD with over 8k hours of mostly pvp under his belt.
So yes there are cheaters, yes probably more since season 8, and yes it needs to be addressed. But let’s not get paranoid about it.
Good faith concerns are understandable imo
I'm very strict on accusations but I know the situations well that get people wondering. Combine it with server issues and things regularly are frustrating which can fuel suspicions.
The last 5 boats I've fought there were zero board sounds, as a solo against larger boats/crews that's super frustrating, people are getting one blunders from halfway across the ship, people randomly get teleported off their ship, on and on and on.
I get why people that go through that and then watch the cheat videos and hear people talking about it become more confident in a belief that there is a lot of cheating going around.
Combat being so inconsistent and opponents being so consistently accurate gets people thinking about it.
This game getting so skilled and not in any way performing in a way that supports the skill it brings in makes it all quite frustrating in a game with pvp. Throw on people throwing boats in the air and removing their cannons and being invincible and zooming around dropping kegs on people, I do understand how it all leads people to being discouraged and frustrated.
@lordqulex said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
One thing to bear in mind WRT to cannon shot accuracy is that it can ebb and flow as a given player goes in and out of "the zone"
I've had nights where I couldn't apparently hit the broadside of a barn, and others where I've been incapable of missing. Sometimes I've managed to switch from one state to the other mid-battle for no apparent reason.
@wolfmanbush said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
@personalc0ffee said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I think it is more simple than that. SoT ain't a PvP game and Rare and its players should stop treating it like one. Swapping that mentality and taking steps to veer away from that would solve a lot of problems.
SoT is a PvEvP game. By leaning into one side more than the other, it shifts the balance. That includes player mentality.
People should take accountability for the content they support. When they watch gameplay that is destroying the environment they care about they can't turn around and blame the content creator that chases those views or the devs that chase the engagement.
Viewers of content had the power to support content that supports the environment how they see it.
Content creators chase views, viewers ultimately decide who is popular and what style is popular.
Mass hopping, coordinated hopping, flooding the dock with supplies, quick action, mass wiping servers of activity, these destroyed the organic environment and it was supported by viewership (a significant amount of pvers as well) the entire time.
Conflating players with viewers is not correct. Players didn't do it.
Also, designers/developers have a huge responsibility in how they support and influence the community. They chose the way that they chose, and, while I understand the reasons they chased that type of viewership, that responsibility is on no one else but them. They could have squashed it, but they didn't want to. They could have addressed the rampant exploits, but they didn't. They could have not rewarded streamers that use those exploits, but they did.
There was always a large, loyal, customer-base that saw the game more as a silly, fun, open, pirate-fantasy adventure that didn't need to be kill-on-sight and had a love and focus on the whole game, not just the pvp. It doesn't sell on twitch, and among the false machismo based world we're stuck in. But there was still a sizeable and loyal customer-base that was not aligned with the other extreme.
Whether they were right or wrong to do what they did is a matter of opinion, of course.
@electricknights said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
@wolfmanbush said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
@personalc0ffee said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I think it is more simple than that. SoT ain't a PvP game and Rare and its players should stop treating it like one. Swapping that mentality and taking steps to veer away from that would solve a lot of problems.
SoT is a PvEvP game. By leaning into one side more than the other, it shifts the balance. That includes player mentality.
People should take accountability for the content they support. When they watch gameplay that is destroying the environment they care about they can't turn around and blame the content creator that chases those views or the devs that chase the engagement.
Viewers of content had the power to support content that supports the environment how they see it.
Content creators chase views, viewers ultimately decide who is popular and what style is popular.
Mass hopping, coordinated hopping, flooding the dock with supplies, quick action, mass wiping servers of activity, these destroyed the organic environment and it was supported by viewership (a significant amount of pvers as well) the entire time.
Conflating players with viewers is not correct. Players didn't do it.
Also, designers/developers have a huge responsibility in how they support and influence the community. They chose the way that they chose, and, while I understand the reasons they chased that type of viewership, that responsibility is on no one else but them. They could have squashed it, but they didn't want to. They could have addressed the rampant exploits, but they didn't. They could have not rewarded streamers that use those exploits, but they did.
There was always a large, loyal, customer-base that saw the game more as a silly, fun, open, pirate-fantasy adventure that didn't need to be kill-on-sight and had a love and focus on the whole game, not just the pvp. It doesn't sell on twitch, and among the false machismo based world we're stuck in. But there was still a sizeable and loyal customer-base that was not aligned with the other extreme.Whether they were right or wrong to do what they did is a matter of opinion, of course.
The people that were/are following around partners and popular streamers to feed them servers en masse were/are largely pve focused players. Those are the ones that spend their day hopping for other people. Those are the ones that load up ships all day and do all of the monotonous tasks for hopping pvp. Discord servers full of pvers droppin dimes on other pvers to socially clique it up with popular pvpers at a sacrifice of a balanced pve/pvp environment.
They kept abandoning the organic environment because it became unpleasant and they kept supporting the content that was destroying the activity. I've been here for years talking about the devastating effects of spammable chain shots on the environment, pvers didn't push back on all of these terribly counter productive decisions being implemented over and over again to serve the content they watched (quick no risk action), they just abandoned ship and kept watching styles of play that were wrecking activity in the game.
The players outside of hopping pvp and overall cheesing pvp didn't fight back with substantive criticisms of what the actual issues are, they watched and they let the boat sink for their style of play.
They get caught up in the pve server thing rather than addressing what is more important than anything in the game, balance between pve and pvp so that risk/reward makes sense and so that non fighters have a chance to thrive without requirement of connections in a cliquish community. That is longevity and player retention, a sustainable approach to risk/reward and one that creates enough activity to where people aren't fighting the same 2 cheater boats on a low activity stamps over and over again in contrived combat.
I dunno what the future of the game is, outside of alliance servers a lot of the styles of play are burnt out but pvers should consider what effects their choice of content has on the environment if they want any sort of an enjoyable organic experience in the future for themselves and for new players starting out.
I'd argue due to the average age a SoT player is, people only know Twitch because there are drops and that's all they do on the platform. Get drops.
And Youtube is not the same, it's more "how to" videos and all....
I don't think streamers play such a big role. It just that Rare gives them way to much importance. How many viewers would they have without drops/giveaways ? Not many I'd say
@jolly-ol-yep said in You know the more i think about it the more I'm convinced that hg is full of cheaters with aimbot and other cheats here's way.:
I'd argue due to the average age a SoT player is, people only know Twitch because there are drops and that's all they do on the platform. Get drops.
And Youtube is not the same, it's more "how to" videos and all....
I don't think streamers play such a big role. It just that Rare gives them way to much importance. How many viewers would they ave without drops/giveaways ? Not many I'd say
They play a big role when they are a part of mass hopping where pvp transitioned from long stealth plays (which is sustainable) to taking out an unsustainable amount of targets quickly and for long stretches of time. When people that play 6, 8, even over 10 hours a day for most of the week and are interrupting the individual ecosystem of many different servers it has devastating effects not only by their interference in healthy risk/reward but by the social element created around it that creates more of it by other pvpers.
I have been the canary in a coal mine on the forums for a long time on this. Watching the organic activity dwindle from over hunting by styles of play that interrupted and devastated server activity with long term effects. Literally leading to contrived combat needing to be a season of content just to manufacture interaction that was killed off by over hunting.
The more the activity dwindled the more effect they have. Season 7's activity was so low that it was mainly just streamers, streamer chats, and some new players playing.
In a healthy organic environment like existed around the time emissaries were released they play a much smaller role, hopping pvp, hopping pvp streaming, and chainshots implemented how they were combined to have a very significant and devastating effects on the organic environment.
The lower activity makes cheating much more of an issue because they make up more of the encounters when less people play. This is very very obvious in low interest, low activity stamps in season 8.
