I have encountered cheaters daily this past week playing sea of thieves. I think Season 8 has been very healthy for the community, however, the season has also attracted more cheaters than ever before seen. I've been sunk with teleporting kegs, pirates able to flip my boat upside down, and aimbot. I am tired of checking their account to see they have less than 15 hours played every single time. I really hope Rare can solve this issue that has come with Season 8's Hourglass feature with hardware bans or something; the curse is already hard enough to get against sweaty pirates and the addition of widespread and blatant cheating makes me want to give up playing this game.
Season 8's surge of cheating players.
I get your upset and I have been with this season as well. This has been discussed over and over. The same people will come to this post and defend themselves and say their isn't any cheats in this game or games just have cheats and blah blah blah. Sad fact is all we can do is keep sailing and hope they address it.
Their really isn't more we can discuss about with these posts because sooner or later they are gonna lock them up just like the pve server posts just so they don't have to see them anymore.
Anyway, good luck in your next sail.
@beerisicecold In fact, we should be discussing and raising the issue. RARE should see a million topics about cheating when they open the forum and understand how serious the problem is. Also, RARE are losing money because of cheaters and there is an exodus of players from the game because nothing is changing.
Not raising the issue of cheating is taking the wrong path, which will lead to the death of the game.Damn, the post above me is a more somber note of the situation, but I can agree with their standpoint.
There are in fact cheats, there is a noticeable rise in encounters with players that use cheats, you won't encounter them often in an organic scenario, and you're much more likely to come across them while using the Hourglass.
Rare is going to say they will do their best to mitigate all this, but they won't be announcing plans in public so as to catch the cheat programmers off guard and maybe dissuade them for a while. They can dish hardware bans out but that might not stop users from still finding their way onto the seas. We should just keep sailing and reporting, or if we're trying to keep sanity, take a short break from the game and play something less MMO-like.
@beerisicecold said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
Their really isn't more we can discuss about with these posts because sooner or later they are gonna lock them up just like the pve server posts just so they don't have to see them anymore.
technically true that they often get locked eventually but that's typically only after everyone has gone around the track about 8 times a piece
they very much let people go on and on about this for the most part as long as people are civil, considering the threads are literally just people guessing how much cheating there is or isn't they last a long time for how little substance there is to the overall conversation.
@ixxxoloff said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@beerisicecold In fact, we should be discussing and raising the issue. RARE should see a million topics about cheating when they open the forum and understand how serious the problem is. Also, RARE are losing money because of cheaters and there is an exodus of players from the game because nothing is changing.
Not raising the issue of cheating is taking the wrong path, which will lead to the death of the game.You're not technically wrong, but has that not really been achieved? It'd be kind of crazy if they haven't noticed the forums being blown up about all of this. Not to mention, they've probably received many more reports than ever before.
I'm just saying, the same things keep being said and it's just become an echo now. Keep making these same post, about the same exploits and how frustrated we all get.
@ixxxoloff said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@beerisicecold In fact, we should be discussing and raising the issue. RARE should see a million topics about cheating when they open the forum and understand how serious the problem is. Also, RARE are losing money because of cheaters and there is an exodus of players from the game because nothing is changing.
Not raising the issue of cheating is taking the wrong path, which will lead to the death of the game.Your statements are without substance. Where is your proof of an "exodus of players" due to cheaters, causing Rare to lose money? Your own anecdotal experience is not sufficient evidence. And how do you know they aren't actively trying to find a way to counteract the cheats? Maybe they want to keep their efforts secret, so cheaters need to keep guessing?
@foambreaker said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
Is there more cheating, or is it really a lot more fights going on and therefore more noticable?
If I was a betting man and I had something on the line while ignoring my focus on evidence vs widespread or not widespread I'd probably bet on it being a noteworthy amount more than the available evidence and probably not as severe as people think it is when looking at threads like this
So little accountability within accusation and such a record of just flat out bad calls on "sus" mixed with an environment where someone with sneakiness and some common sense could probably get away with it, the whole thing is a mess to try to get a good read on.
Short of a big ban or someone with a lot of receipts rattin' on everyone there isn't much to work with for accuracy.
I wouldn't doubt there being some dramatic thing go down at some point and names get dropped. It's a small town type of community, something always happens eventually.
@zrelytt I took a couple years off of the seas back when Rare refused to address the PC/Xbox disparities. The "downloadable skills" were available back then as well. Its rather unfortunate that I can sail any time I want on XB and not encounter any "suspicious activity", but when sailing on my PC, get regularly sky-kegged and shot with incredible accuracy from improbable distances. This is pretty sub-par, Rare.
@beerisicecold So you are saying that no player left because of cheating? if RARE are doing something, where is the update? where?)
@blam320 lol the proof he needs is in the number of players posting online (like this post) that we are quitting sea of thieves until the game is playable. The blatant and extreme cheating is inarguably unfun to play against. I have seen these cheaters daily, and I have talked with many other players within the community of all different skill levels and play styles; nobody wants to play a game where cheaters can run rampant and unpunished especially when they are there just to ruin your experience with the game.
@foambreaker said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
Is there more cheating, or is it really a lot more fights going on and therefore more noticable?
I think a bit of both.
The more competitive you lean and esporty, the more you're going to get these sorts of players because they want to win at any cost. They don't care.
But also with this, the more the community engages with this type of content, the more they are going to see the behavior that has previously maybe escaped them.
The HG mode is HIGHLY appealing to players that cheat. You can dive in, get a match and cheat real fast and win. It is all about that instant gratification.
We 100% need an anti cheat on client side to limit it. Not a day goes by in some part of the community where I am not personally seeing people discuss not only cheating in the game but also running across cheaters.
I do honestly believe cheating is on the rise.
@pomalotacusmk3 said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@zrelytt I took a couple years off of the seas back when Rare refused to address the PC/Xbox disparities. The "downloadable skills" were available back then as well. Its rather unfortunate that I can sail any time I want on XB and not encounter any "suspicious activity", but when sailing on my PC, get regularly sky-kegged and shot with incredible accuracy from improbable distances. This is pretty sub-par, Rare.
Cheating on console is possible but takes a whole lot more effort and money to suscessfully do but it is not unheard of.
But the majority of cheaters are most likely on PC platform, due to ease.
Had the game never been put on Steam, I doubt we would see that many cheaters.
@shenlongkazama said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
Nah everything's fine apparently. If you dare to post evidence of players cheating you get banned, on the subreddit atleast. See no evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil.
It's a rule in place to prevent witch hunting on the platforms, a positive rule to uphold, and to not just freely advertise for cheats as that is unproductive for the overall goal. It's not about hiding it, people post stuff all over the place, some platforms just value maintaining an environment that doesn't let people escalate and target. It's unnecessary and unproductive.
everyone knows that cheats exist, nobody ever really denies that, and posting random clips of cheating is pretty irrelevant to the main point that people disagree on (overall use) outside of guessing how many are doing it people agree on quite a bit on the topic.
all evidence should go to Rare through the report system, that's the productive spot to share it.
@zrelytt said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@blam320 lol the proof he needs is in the number of players posting online (like this post) that we are quitting sea of thieves until the game is playable. The blatant and extreme cheating is inarguably unfun to play against. I have seen these cheaters daily, and I have talked with many other players within the community of all different skill levels and play styles; nobody wants to play a game where cheaters can run rampant and unpunished especially when they are there just to ruin your experience with the game.
The number of players posting online that they are quitting are in the dozens at best. AKA, a statistical anomaly. As for "blatant and extreme" cheating, I'll include my own anecdotal account, I have not once encountered a cheater since Launch. The fact you are supposedly seeing cheaters "daily" suggests instead that that this is a skill issue. I see it way too often across many games; someone regularly gets owned and blames the problem on cheaters, instead of trying to improve themselves.
@blam320 a dit dans Season 8's surge of cheating players. :
The fact you are supposedly seeing cheaters "daily" suggests instead that that this is a skill issue. I see it way too often across many games; someone regularly gets owned and blames the problem on cheaters, instead of trying to improve themselves.
Cheating exists in SoT. You not encountering cheaters is just fortunate I guess but it doesn't mean anything.
Now we all disagree cos' we just don't play the same game.
Between regions (EU, NA, OCE...), the size of your ship (solo, duo, brig, galley), what you do (pve, pvp, HG..), the time of the day (the cheaters I personally came across were all games very late at night), and so on.....
Some people in this game never opened a tall tale book, some never encountered another player.
Everybody in these forums think their way of playing is the one everyone uses, or should use. And everybody's wrong.
Now please don't talk about "skill issues" when we're talking flying kegs, instant boards and auto-repair. Some here are noobs but thhey're still video-game players, they can recognize cheating.
(Or actually you might be right, maybe it's a skill issue, maybe there are no cheaters along the ranks of low-level players ) - Sorry not sorry, this was just to demonstrate to you how being condescending for the sake of it just makes you look like a troll
@personalc0ffee said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@pomalotacusmk3 said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@zrelytt I took a couple years off of the seas back when Rare refused to address the PC/Xbox disparities. The "downloadable skills" were available back then as well. Its rather unfortunate that I can sail any time I want on XB and not encounter any "suspicious activity", but when sailing on my PC, get regularly sky-kegged and shot with incredible accuracy from improbable distances. This is pretty sub-par, Rare.
Cheating on console is possible but takes a whole lot more effort and money to suscessfully do but it is not unheard of.
But the majority of cheaters are most likely on PC platform, due to ease.
Had the game never been put on Steam, I doubt we would see that many cheaters.
Still funny when people say console games have no cheats, then you play multiplayer on some games on console to see a player noclipping through the sky killing everyone.
But Steam is definitely the weakest link. Xbox app games lock down files much better.
It's not going to prevent something like an aimbot, but it will prevent blatant egregious cheating like noclipping.@scheneighnay
I didn't actually say that there is no cheating on XB. If someone gets caught cheating on XB, they run the risk of getting their xbox bricked. Although cheating is possible, XB players arent going to fork out for a new xbox every time they get caught. This is not the same scenario that PC players face when caught cheating. I do agree with ur steam comment though.@ixxxoloff yeah I second this the fact the forums have decided to completely deny that hacking exists in the game for the longest time definitely lead to Rares more lenient take on cheaters at this point.
I am really hoping to see this game have a proper anti cheat and IP banning cheaters.
@nitroxien
I suspect back then cheats were more lowkey (fov/ESP/Aimlock etc.) really hard to give claim to players using those hacks when you really couldn't prove if someone was using ESP/FoV unless they shared their PoV.But you cannot deny the influx of cheats this season when its starting to be hardcore with ship flipping, speed/fly hacks, shipwright auto repair hacks, godmode etc.
The fact that half of the posts in this sub-forum is filled with cheating threads says it all, cats out of the bag.My experience over 1k hourglass games, Ive encountered around 15-20 hardcore hacks which in the grand scheme isn't a lot, but when it does happen, it sticks in your mind for a while.
WHICH also explains people claiming cheating isn't as big as it is, when they have around 100 hourglass games put in this season, you probably won't encounter a single hardcore cheater with that many low games on average.
Also who knows the 'X' amount of closet cheaters hiding with FoV, cannon aimbot and missing on purpose etc.@ix-indi-xi said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
My experience over 1k hourglass games, Ive encountered around 15-20 hardcore hacks which in the grand scheme isn't a lot, but when it does happen, it sticks in your mind for a while.
WHICH also explains people claiming cheating isn't as big as it is, when they have around 100 hourglass games put in this season, you probably won't encounter a single hardcore cheater with that many low games on average.
Also who knows the 'X' amount of closet cheaters hiding with FoV, cannon aimbot and missing on purpose etc.Low activity amplifies it
if someone is fighting the same 5 ships all day and 1 of those ships are cheating that isn't overall a lot of cheating but to that individual it's a lot for their experience.
Not only is it a thunderdome for streamer targeting it's not difficult to queue up with them and that not only makes it a bigger deal for the streamer it's a big deal for anyone caught in the piratical crossfire.
Almost every issue in season 8 is related to lower than needed activity levels, including cheating
I'm dismissive of people using other people's experiences as their own as they push narratives (spreading streamer clips around over and over which causes mass repeat counting of the same incident and same cheater) but to the people that are personally experiencing obvious cheating because of the low activity causing repeat fighting it's quite understandable that they feel it is overwhelming and rampant, as well as understandable that they are fed up with it.
@blam320 said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@ixxxoloff said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
@beerisicecold In fact, we should be discussing and raising the issue. RARE should see a million topics about cheating when they open the forum and understand how serious the problem is. Also, RARE are losing money because of cheaters and there is an exodus of players from the game because nothing is changing.
Not raising the issue of cheating is taking the wrong path, which will lead to the death of the game.Your statements are without substance. Where is your proof of an "exodus of players" due to cheaters, causing Rare to lose money? Your own anecdotal experience is not sufficient evidence. And how do you know they aren't actively trying to find a way to counteract the cheats? Maybe they want to keep their efforts secret, so cheaters need to keep guessing?
Not sure what your point is here but I think the statements make sense.
You don’t need proof for that. People leaving because of cheaters potentially lead to negative reviews, less season passes sold etc. Not 100% fact but it’s not unthinkable. Perhaps losing money is not the right use of words.
Rare hasn’t said they’re actively trying to find a way to counteract. False hope is a nasty thing. Your assumption to keep it a secret is… an assumption.
There’s no need for your reply. The cheaters are on the rise and a lot of people are noticing this. A simple “we’re looking into it” from rare will be very positive.
Linking videos to cheats (which also contain rascist insults) is prohibited on this forum. Reported.
@jdge439 said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
oh, I didn't know that we couldn't post videos cheaters. That's funny
It's to prevent witch hunting, a valuable rule to help support more positive and productive social platform
and even though people think posting examples is necessary it really isn't. Nobody denies cheating existing and posting random incidents of cheating is pretty irrelevant for that part.
I do understand why people feel it is necessary though as they are either called out or feel called out so obviously they want to show what they feel strongly about.
All evidence is best used in report tickets sent to Rare.
Let’s be real I have been posting for four years on the rise of hacker/cheaters/exploiters everyone of my post was hammered; with make lite, denial, where’s your evidence, nothing in the way of constructive criticism just quick put downs of anything that was this game is amazing your wrong. Surprised I don’t see a post from the other three normally are swift call to action to make folks feel as if they did something wrong for posting about the main problems game still has not addressed.
4 going on 5 years lost many friends who never will play the game again.
Rare has done nothing.
Please check out my past post I’ve made suggestions such as have battles be Captain ships only why because alt accounts would have to spend time to gain gold every time. Slow them down at least.
I have been concerned and last post locked.
@lt-robinson25 said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
Let’s be real I have been posting for four years on the rise of hacker/cheaters/exploiters everyone of my post was hammered; with make lite, denial, where’s your evidence, nothing in the way of constructive criticism just quick put downs of anything that was this game is amazing your wrong. Surprised I don’t see a post from the other three normally are swift call to action to make folks feel as if they did something wrong for posting about the main problems game still has not addressed.
4 going on 5 years lost many friends who never will play the game again.
Rare has done nothing.
Please check out my past post I’ve made suggestions such as have battles be Captain ships only why because alt accounts would have to spend time to gain gold every time. Slow them down at least.
I have been concerned and last post locked.
To be direct and transparent. You make a lot of sus calls that I don't think are justified. I've seen you play because of another thread where I told you I'd check your stream out.
I respect that you are a player that doesn't exploit, genuinely,
but I don't agree with the sus calls I've seen you make. I do understand your passion for combat that doesn't include exploits though. I believe you have good intentions.
This maybe to try and discredit me. The proof is in. I for one stand for Fair game play want this for all players as Rare themselves has stated the following “no matter if your a day one or new player you have same opportunities”.
If calling out the following means I make Sus calls as you say, so be it. Mind you I’m human do make mistakes. With a good counter to limit or stop cheating was implemented we would be here would we. Rather call someone a cheat be wrong than condone cheating on any level or amount.
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Animation canceling it was developed in game for a reason. If not remove the animation tired of being killed before consuming food in hand.
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Speed Hacker
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Up against a player who lands every shoot only miss because object in between myself and the round fired aimbot.
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Stream sniper instant troll comments rise in numbers.
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Conformation by speaking to a Hacker. Check my YouTube for the vid.
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Being placed on a group of cheaters hit list. Confirmed with over 360 members and counting.
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Forms check my past post of you lots comments to get a good feel for three of the same people who quickly try to discredit any kind of suggestion to problems just imagine if the conversation had time to be heard. I say that cause you all quick to upvote each other guess who is also liking your post might be people who are fine with current problems.
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@lt-robinson25 said in Season 8's surge of cheating players.:
This maybe to try and discredit me. The proof is in. I for one stand for Fair game play want this for all players as Rare themselves has stated the following “no matter if your a day one or new player you have same opportunities”.
If calling out the following means I make Sus calls as you say, so be it. Mind you I’m human do make mistakes. With a good counter to limit or stop cheating was implemented we would be here would we. Rather call someone a cheat be wrong than condone cheating on any level or amount.
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Animation canceling it was developed in game for a reason. If not remove the animation tired of being killed before consuming food in hand.
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Speed Hacker
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Up against a player who lands every shoot only miss because object in between myself and the round fired aimbot.
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Stream sniper instant troll comments rise in numbers.
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Conformation by speaking to a Hacker. Check my YouTube for the vid.
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Being placed on a group of cheaters hit list. Confirmed with over 360 members and counting.
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Forms check my past post of you lots comments to get a good feel for three of the same people who quickly try to discredit any kind of suggestion to problems just imagine if the conversation had time to be heard. I say that cause you all quick to upvote each other guess who is also liking your post might be people who are fine with current problems.
My post was definitely not to discredit you it was to be honest with you. Your campaign for a fair combat system is not anything I take issue with. I disagree with what I have seen with sus accusations but I think your cause is respectable.
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Respect Dude immediately just frustrated the game is my favorite with a little attention to what’s been going on it be the GOAT of gaming.
Sorry for roping you into the others you at least have thought in your responses my bad. Seems no one is doing nothing about the state of the game if they are I’m losing my friends in the gaming world who I truly enjoy spending time with.
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