Server/Portal Hopping FIX?!

@f-hollo said in Server/Portal Hopping FIX?!:

@pithyrumble No middle ground then?

We have a middle ground currently.

@f-hollo said in Server/Portal Hopping FIX?!:

@sweetsandman I am interested, please post here.

Here's my idea. I've suggested it before so I'll just copy/paste it...

-1) Get rid of all the little ships on the Emissary tables at the outposts. If you want to run an Emissary, do it. Your decision should not be based on knowledge of the server that can be obtained before leaving the dock. Your decision should be based on your understanding of the risk/reward elements of the Emissary system.
-2) Crews can only see a Reaper on their map if they are running an Emissary of any kind and are Grade 3 or higher. The logic here is that crews would be invested enough in a server that they'd at least consider continuing with their risk even if they end up seeing a Reaper on their map after they've hit Grade 3. Sure, some people would still immediately sell, lower, and abandon the server, but those are the folks that aren't going to fight anyways. At least with this, their rewards/time would be impacted accordingly.
-3) Grade 5 Reapers can only see ships on their map that are Grade 3 or higher. The logic here is to complement the above rule so that you don't have a tactical advantage on low grade emissaries.
-4) Reapers can only see other Reapers once they've achieved Grade 2 or higher.
-5) Allow broken Reaper's Bones flags to be sold to the other factions for 2x gold (no rep). It's actually silly that this isn't already in the game, but this would certainly help to make it not such an eye-roll when a G5 Gold Hoarder sees that G1 Reaper headed their way knowing that they have no loot and a flag worth ~1200 gold and an inconvenient trip to Reaper's Hideout to sell it (I'm more apt to leave them floating in the water).
-6) Eliminate Emissaried portal hopping.

All of these things together would make the risk/reward system of Emissaries on every server way more organic and high stakes.

@super87ghost said in Server/Portal Hopping FIX?!:

Sorry, but this is just ridiculous. Other emissaries don't avert the risk/reward system, they play it exactly as it is intended to be: you want the reward of a higher amount of gold and rep at the risk of the Reaper-5 knowing exactly where you are, or do you think it's not worth it.

Except that's not who I'm referring to...What % of players - that plan to run an Emissary - would you say log into a server, see that there's a Reaper (of any grade) somewhere on the map, and click "leave game" and then set sail again in hopes of landing on a different server without a Reaper? I'm guessing that's a tremendously high % of Emissaries out there.

A risk/reward system doesn't mean you are forced to do that part of the game, it means you are being given a choice and you can opt in or opt out. Other emissaries chosing not to play as an emissary with a Reaper-5 on the server is just making a choice in that risk/reward system, just like intended.

Well yeah that's literally the risk aversion I'm referring to.

It is the portal hopping Reaper-5's who want to avert the risk/reward system, because part of the risk of being a Reaper-5 is that others don't want to play as an emissary because they don't think the risk it worth the reward, since being seen on the map for other emissaries is just making voyages very hard to impossible, since you need to leave your ship. Portal hopping Reaper-5's want to take away that risk they have and that destroys the risk/reward system and doesn't give people the intended opportunity to make their choices.

Chicken or the Egg argument...

My proposal Eliminates portal hopping while making the Emissary system a more conscious acknowledgement of risk/reward without being able to cheese it by quickly hopping to another server.

@f-hollo a dit dans Server/Portal Hopping FIX?! :

Furthermore why should a Reaper crew be able to use a game mechanic that forces other factions to lower their emissary flag while other factions don't have that power over the Reapers?

I don't understand : Reapers don't have the game mechanic ability to force other emissaries to lower their flag.
When I'm attacked by a Reaper ship, I just sink it until it doesn't come back or until I've sunk myself. The fact that some emissaries don't want to fight is their own choice, not a game mechanic attached to the Reaper faction.

@sweetsandman

I never get past point 1 of your presentation.

I understand why you want to remove the tables. Reaper soapScum 🤣

But no, the option to mitigate risk in a game that is about risk and tools not rules... leave the tables alone and I might read further. I do decide what I'm doing on a server based on the tables. Sometimes I stay. Buuuuut you can bet Fort of the Damned skippy I ain't running emissary lol.

@pithyrumble

But no, the option to mitigate risk in a game that is about risk and tools not rules...

Portal hopping is a tool now...so 🤷🏻‍♂️

Sometimes I stay. Buuuuut you can bet Fort of the Damned skippy I ain't running emissary lol.

There's a huge difference between staying on the same server and just not running an Emissary versus hopping to a different one to run an Emissary. The former is a conscious decision to not take the extra risk/reward of running an Emissary....the latter is an aversion of risk that I disagree with.

I don't like portal hopping one bit...but when I sail to the four corners of the map only seeing fresh spawns at outposts...meh, I'll slap down that checkpoint and head through that portal with no guilt whatsoever.

Unfortunately it is.

But there's little difference between I need to change my strategy and I don't want to be here. My strategy was: I don't wanna be here sometimes. Even without portal hopping or even old style hopping, I don't wanna be here was always a valid strategy and you would go and do something else. Someone at the island you need? Sink em or do something else. 👾

@tossico94

Yes and no? I've been ambushed amazingly.

I don't fault the action. Portal hopping as a whole is sketchy.

It's funky and I don't mind it. It could get wilder and it could easily be eliminated.

@f-hollo a dit dans Server/Portal Hopping FIX?! :

For example.. an athena emissary level 5 could portal hop and after that they would know exactly where are the athena loots are - on the map - and most likely good loot as well. As if someone would collect it there for them.

Reapers don't see where loots are, they only see where Emissaries are. Most Emissaries don't have much loot on board by the way (only the ones stacking do and many don't do that mistake nowadays). Pure pvp reaper hopping don't make that much gold on average, PvPvE reaper focusing on convenient targets do however (do world events, sink nearby emissaries if any, sell then portal hop, sink nearby emissaries if any, do world events, sell then portal hop etc).

Imo people often overestimate how profitable pure pvp Reaper is on average. pure PvE Reapers make a lot lot more. The fun things about pure pvp Reaper are the adrenaline rush on the occasional good fight and huge payday.

@grog-minto said in Server/Portal Hopping FIX?!:

@f-hollo a dit dans Server/Portal Hopping FIX?! :

For example.. an athena emissary level 5 could portal hop and after that they would know exactly where are the athena loots are - on the map - and most likely good loot as well. As if someone would collect it there for them.

Reapers don't see where loots are, they only see where Emissaries are. Most Emissaries don't have much loot on board by the way (only the ones stacking do and many don't do that mistake nowadays). Pure pvp reaper hopping don't make that much gold on average, PvPvE reaper focusing on convenient targets do however (do world events, sink nearby emissaries if any, sell then portal hop, sink nearby emissaries if any, do world events, sell then portal hop etc).

Imo people often overestimate how profitable pure pvp Reaper is on average. pure PvE Reapers make a lot lot more. The fun things about pure pvp Reaper are the adrenaline rush on the occasional good fight and huge payday.

haha wow great facts
too bad i refuse to be a reaper because flameheart is a bad leader and dad...
Damn efficency vs morals
why can't i have BOTH?!?
i am gonna slap that flameheart when I see him

Portal hopping is in my opinion a very important mechanic to the game. It was from my understanding a unintentional consequence of adding the sea of the damned... but it's fun and saves people looking for pvp a lot of time. If anything I think they should just add a portal voyage captains can buy that you can drop down and create a portal as the way it works now can be looked at as an exploit.

@realwebber69 a dit dans Server/Portal Hopping FIX?! :

i am gonna slap that flameheart when I see him

But.. but... Aren't your supplies dwingling by now ? :O

@f-hollo said in Server/Portal Hopping FIX?!:

@jaxycafe It is fun for the Reaper. The problem is they can instantly see the other emissaries on the map and what level are they. At outpost You can only see how many emissaries are and not where and what level they are.

Reapers can't see what level other non-reaper emissaries are, just that they are an emissary (with the exception of other reapers, but everyone can see their levels).

@grog-minto said in Server/Portal Hopping FIX?!:

@realwebber69 a dit dans Server/Portal Hopping FIX?! :

i am gonna slap that flameheart when I see him

But.. but... Aren't your supplies dwingling by now ? :O

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THEY HAVE ALL BROUGHT ME TO WERE I AM TODAY!
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I WILL NOT REST
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Because you can see reapers aswell as the grade 5 seeing you, I don’t see it as an issue.

I’ve never been subjected to pvp because of people portal hopping and there’s nothing to stop you using the portal to get away yourself.