Welcome to the club my friend.
@t3dpooi, is that firebomb fact true? I knew it was insane but not quite that insane.
100 hours on fire to get a frame ???
@ishotyournuts yeah, a lot of people have lives outside the game. I can only play a couple times a week, no long sessions, max 2 hours at a time. So I stick to the stuff I enjoy and just avoid the stuff I don't enjoy. So hey, I may never get a load of the original commendations because I'm not going to do a fort, or a load of vault quests, or finish the original tall tales, or get the gold curse. No big deal. I also don't get your comment about having to spend real money.
I've noticed that the only people who are truly upset over the milestones are people who realized they can't just grind them all out in a day's worth of playing, either hardcore or casually. It's like they can't fathom the idea that some things are not meant to be a grind, much like Sea of Thieves in general.
@blam320 a dit dans 100 hours on fire to get a frame ??? :
I've noticed that the only people who are truly upset over the milestones are people who realized they can't just grind them all out in a day's worth of playing, either hardcore or casually. It's like they can't fathom the idea that some things are not meant to be a grind, much like Sea of Thieves in general.
are not meant to be a grind? so you mean those milestone are supose to be done naturaly? i hope you understand that 100 hour of being in fire wihtout grinding it means at least 60 years right? yes they are meant to be a grind. and i think you should read my post again if you think i said i want something to be grind in a day. I just dont understand people who accept those kind of stuff loll no wonder why Games now have 40 DLCs and 10 season pass
@blam320 said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
I've noticed that the only people who are truly upset over the milestones are people who realized they can't just grind them all out in a day's worth of playing, either hardcore or casually. It's like they can't fathom the idea that some things are not meant to be a grind, much like Sea of Thieves in general.
I would say, that unlocking one or two milestones per session would be quite fair. This however, is kind of ridiculous.
@t3dpooi said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
@mr-whaletoes If you throw a firebomb at your feet once every day and let it burn for the full duration it would take 98 years to max out that one trinket.
Well... If you're trying to get the trinket to max and actively grinding it then you'd be using more than one firebomb.
And so will your enemies.I can understand having stats passively give you rewards based on your playstyle, but the large majority of these aren't achievable even in a passive sense. A single fish on a nice plaque requires you to catch more fish than the legendary hunter of the sea of theives accomodation ... ten times over. And there's one for every fish in the game.
That's not the "decorate your ship to reflect your playstyle" that was advertised. It's a spend years grinding over and over for a shiny trinket and then repeat when you want another. Most sane folks just don't do that, they have lives, mouths to feed, Jobs to go to.
These trinkets are so far out of the question even for dedicated grinders that play all day every day that for any other player getting them passively would never happen in 100 years. They need to tone the numbers way down. Make it 5 hours instead of 100, 100 fish instead of 2500. Most players aren't going to get those numbers, but players whose playstyles reflect those milestones could definitely get them in a few months or so and decorate their ship how they desire.
It's a shame that one of the most advertised features of the update nobody is going to get to use.
You're not obligated to max out the trinket. You can still get it, just on a slightly less ugly frame.
@mr-whaletoes said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
You're not obligated to max out the trinket. You can still get it, just on a slightly less ugly frame.
That's true. I can be on fire for only 10 hours to get it. What a bargain!
@zedny3434
I've got 500 hours of playtime.
Considering my recklessness, it is entirely possible that 2% of that was the ship on fire.@stewcha-kun said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
Rare is crazy if they think that the average player can afford even 2-3 hours per day to play this game. Most people have lives and spend 2-3 hours weekly not daily.
Woah dude... Where are you getting these insane numbers from? they dont expect you to play 2-3 hours a day.... They expect you to play a minimum of 8 hours a day. Though a 1 hour session today you would get 3-4 hours worth of loot compared to the original release. But that doesnt mean much
@zedny3434
Well, the first tier of fishing milestones is pretty easy.
Sleeping and sitting hasn't been out for long, but I have found myself using both pretty regularly.
And I don't mind getting the basic versions. Aesthetically, I prefer them.Ok let's conduct a little thought experiment here just to see how ridiculous these milestones are.
Let's say you don't take a single day's break from the game ever and continuously throughout each day you are fortunate enough to play 4-5 hours in a single day. Let's say you also love to PvP or just do world events all the time. Normally when someone gets on fire, their first instinct is to put out fire instantly to stop getting damaged, but that depends on the circumstances I suppose you rather eat and wait for the flames to go out while boarding a ship.
So let's say on average during an encounter you are on fire for 15 seconds. On average. Sometimes you put it out quickly, sometimes you just eat to stay healthy during a boarding. Sometimes you can't get any PvP, because the numerous server hopping did not bring any fruition of finding a PvP ship or you were lucky enough that you were not set on fire once during your voyages (like merchant alliance lost shipments or gold hoarders treasures, etc etc...) So on average per day you are on fire for a total of approximately 2 minutes. ORGANICALLY speaking by just playing the game, you will unlock the Class 100 frame in 8.21 years.
And again. There were no vacations, no break days, you did not find a new game to play and then come back to Sea of Thieves a few weeks or months later. This is consistent play time of 4 to 5 hours, EVERY SINGLE DAY. Through natural means it would take 8 years this way to get to class 100 to get these trinkets.
How long do you think it will take if we apply those into the equation who love Sea of Thieves but have less time to play, maybe have a family to take care of, go on vacations, have a job, have an unforeseen complication in their lives, etc etc.. we are essentially talking about more than a decade at least. I would understand if it was maybe 3 years of earning it passively, but this milestone was MEANT to be a grind. And your previous statistics do not count, you are a clean slate, essentially everyone is a new player in this scenario, their achievements and dedication to the game, don't mean jack here.
And then let's talk about sitting, sleeping, fishing all the different types of fishes, vomiting I guess? Asking people to play every day for a decade for ship cosmetics when you can get the Dark Adventurer Set or the Tribute Peak set in way less time while being equally dedicated to the game is nonsense.
The most ridiculous milestones need to change to cater to the dedicated players, even those who cannot spend days on streaks, playing this game.
@themadlad94 Agreed. While the amount of time doing these tasks is grotesque, the actual content is absurd as well. Under no circumstances should the game reward you for doing things like getting sunk, getting killed, or sitting down. Passive or negative gameplay shouldn't be something to grind, ever.
@musicmee yeah not sure I am seeing the "dedication" here...
This is like when I used to play WoW and I would see someone with 5 fully geared character I would not think wow this guy is cool I would think what a no lifer this game is not meant for me if this is the commitment the devs want, and as Blizzard pushed for harder unrealistic grinds I slowly drifted from the game till I quit entirely.
What a lot of people forget is.
You can own multiple ships.- Either 2 sloops.
- Or a sloop, galleon and a brig.
Imagine having to do these massive grinds again on another ship lol. Or even leveling multiple ships because you play on sloop and a brig (for example), on a daily basis.
What is even the point in owning another ship, if all these milestones are so insanely grindy.
I cant even fathom doing it again for my other ships.
@musicmee
[Author Edited to Remove mentions of Retro-Prog.]
Ahoy there! (This be a Long en ye be Warned!)
I think the mark is really being missed here so I wanna clarify in the sake of peace among pirates... (For whatever Fragile Peace can be maintained among Theives)The point isn't so much that Captaincy has really long Goals which nobody denies is a good thing or isn't needed.
So much that its getting lost in translation Captaincy was sold to us as customization and for those of us who like myself in other games like ESO has spent thousands on houses and cosmetics 50$ on some of these houses, but total freedom to decorate our way. This was sold to us as how to leave our mark on Our Ship via the way We Play.
Instead of having freedom to decorate we have a kind of half baked approach on something that most other MMOs have-- Decoration.
ESO has furniture/Decoration items you can only obtain by following maps and digging and working for them too after leveling up etc..
But not EVERY SINGLE THING is locked behind HOURS upon HOURS of achievement and whilst this update is new and logic deduces that more updates to its systems are upon the distant horizon... This is not what we were Hyped about. Its something many were worried would happen and the feedback across the board has been "Yeah... Its good but it misses the mark, a few tweaks and it would be perfect." I have watched tons of youtubers, tons of their comments saying in vein things to the feedback here... This wasn't what we were 'Sold' or explained it would be.Rather than actually giving us creative liberty its become a chore, one that I am Crushed About. As a chronically ill player--without going into detail, as it stands I nor most of the community even--will ever see a sliver of these rewards.
We admire the work and passion of our dev team, market team, and even our 'Fo Rum' Mods but the community has spoken and its not that we dont post positives, its just that we see the potential that almost was the greatest update for SOT.
We may not code, but we the pirates are the heart of SOT and it really feels like alarm bells have been going off for a while now and the response has been LOCKED and "Dropping Anchor Here."
Sea of Theives has been sold to us as a Player Driven Experience that's why we wont ever get certain features because it takes from that, so why is it then so much of the fandom has felt censored or silenced about the things we want improved/fixed isn't that the great thing about our community? I have spoken with the pirates and their crews in-game, read the forums, read the YT comments and the unity among the community is "Why the Delay? What did they change if this is the system launched?"
Captaincy if not tweaked will become the "Ship Naming/Saving Cosmetics" Update that is has become for me and many other players and that is why we are so "Loud" it's not that theres never anything nice on the Forums Ive seen nothing but the contrary--to generalize that we only make our voices heard when we take issue undermines the power, passion, commitment and love to seeing SOT Thrive and Grow and that has really hurt me and many others I think.
At the End of the Day, our Mods and Developers work very hard for us, but at least on the forum I feel like there has been a bit of unfair censorship on some of the post I have been reading the past few days.
Simply lowering some of the requirements, and having the option to place furniture how and where we want regardless of ship type the same way we can set loot down anywhere... Would appease most of us on the "This isn't the customization update I was told was coming" ship. Include some options we can buy with gold only (Some simple chairs, and tables and rugs like the plain color sails?) , increase some actual customization, make the milestones a little less grindy, not easy but tweaked a All Ships deserve Equality in this "Customization" update, Justice for the Ships that Aren't a Galleon which feels like the favorite child on Christmas.
I hope this genuinely was constructive and helpful,
We appreciate your dedication to our community.
Sincerely, We The Pirates (That agree..)
Fair Winds be in ye Sails!@ladyaurabell Ahoy matey!
Firstly, sorry for a short reply in response to your epically long post - I read it all and will pass on the core bits of feedback. But it's my bed time so this response will be short.
You have my word, we are not dropping anchor on any posts that are feedback - unless it specifically mentions retroactively rewarding pirates based on commendations. The current game design has been implemented as is, and that decision is final. So we are closing those down with the response you may have seen. All other posts around milestones are staying up - you should notice that :)
So keep the feedback coming, but don't turn the threads into arguments, derail, or break the rules and they will stay up (not aimed at you - just a general warning).
See you on the seas!
ZzzzzZzzzz@musicmee
I appreciate the clarification and response! Thank you me hartey, best ye be catching them Z's..
(With the Milestone in mind and personal health too.. and the work you do for us here)
The Pirate Lord knows you'll need it!@kozakderg said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
Ok let's conduct a little thought experiment here just to see how ridiculous these milestones are.
Let's say you don't take a single day's break from the game ever and continuously throughout each day you are fortunate enough to play 4-5 hours in a single day. Let's say you also love to PvP or just do world events all the time. Normally when someone gets on fire, their first instinct is to put out fire instantly to stop getting damaged, but that depends on the circumstances I suppose you rather eat and wait for the flames to go out while boarding a ship.
So let's say on average during an encounter you are on fire for 15 seconds. On average. Sometimes you put it out quickly, sometimes you just eat to stay healthy during a boarding. Sometimes you can't get any PvP, because the numerous server hopping did not bring any fruition of finding a PvP ship or you were lucky enough that you were not set on fire once during your voyages (like merchant alliance lost shipments or gold hoarders treasures, etc etc...) So on average per day you are on fire for a total of approximately 2 minutes. ORGANICALLY speaking by just playing the game, you will unlock the Class 100 frame in 8.21 years.
And again. There were no vacations, no break days, you did not find a new game to play and then come back to Sea of Thieves a few weeks or months later. This is consistent play time of 4 to 5 hours, EVERY SINGLE DAY. Through natural means it would take 8 years this way to get to class 100 to get these trinkets.
How long do you think it will take if we apply those into the equation who love Sea of Thieves but have less time to play, maybe have a family to take care of, go on vacations, have a job, have an unforeseen complication in their lives, etc etc.. we are essentially talking about more than a decade at least. I would understand if it was maybe 3 years of earning it passively, but this milestone was MEANT to be a grind. And your previous statistics do not count, you are a clean slate, essentially everyone is a new player in this scenario, their achievements and dedication to the game, don't mean jack here.
And then let's talk about sitting, sleeping, fishing all the different types of fishes, vomiting I guess? Asking people to play every day for a decade for ship cosmetics when you can get the Dark Adventurer Set or the Tribute Peak set in way less time while being equally dedicated to the game is nonsense.
The most ridiculous milestones need to change to cater to the dedicated players, even those who cannot spend days on streaks, playing this game.
Spoken like someone who can't possibly fathom the idea that - like I said - some things are not meant to be ground out. You've also spoken like a true completionist who is outraged that they're being "forced" to "suffer" for "decades" trying to get a single achievement which should honestly be a shocker to begin with. If these things were all easy to get, they would lose their relative value. Someone whose ship has been on fire for that long would certainly have many, many stories to tell about how they possibly managed that.
@nitroxien Ahoy!
I quite literally will never go back to that game and others--- For this ReasonAs Mentioned in my Long Comment-- I am a chronically ill player, currently in remission, but I have nothing but free time, and I will Never See some of these Milestones completed. Even if I played all my waking hours which--ISNT Healthy!!!
Rare says they have real dedication to accessibility and they are by far the best at keeping that commitment, but currently I feel like this update is anything but--for me, people like me, Players with Families, Jobs so we can keep buying Emporium Items... weren't considered.Overall I personally believe this will go down as the best update for SOT and I feel like it just could of been better with some tweaks and changes. At the very least, I am happy to be able to save my ship and have it named--even if thats all this update might ever be for me.
May yer Tankard never Empty!@musicmee The only epic thing for giving an award to spend 100 hours on fire, drinking 7500 grogs, sleeping, sitting and even playing shanties for a long time is how bad these design decisions are.
We should be encouraged to play the game normally, not doing specific activities over and over that are disruptive and counterproductive. You'll never ever be on fire 100 hours if you are not doing it intentionally.
If you are not a solo player you should be a team player and if you are a solo player burning intentionally for 100 hours or getting drunk 7500 times... There's something really wrong with these specific awards and I don't think they should be nerfed but deleted entirely because it encourages playing the game in a wrong way, in a not normal, not 'productive' way.
We can still burn, sleep, sit, play shanties and drink grog without receiving a cosmetic for doing it.@musicmee said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
Ahoy all!
But since the trophy is for 100 hours on fire... You stop and go wow this crazy pirate has been on fire for THAT long, GG you crazy pirate you. There will be a story behind it, tales to tell, and you will be in utter amazement that a pirate has spent that long to get the trophy.
These trinkets are to tell of EPIC prolonged stories and not things you can cheese in one or two sessions.
Unfortunately all it means is that the player understands how Macros work... I've already come across multiple players sleep using sleep macros..
Please just try to compare these milestones to the commendations you are supposed to get in the game before disregarding everything I have said. The commendations are not supposed to be ground out either, but they are REASONABLE goals. Even for the lowest Serpent's Flame trinket, you are required to be on fire for 25 hours. Think about it. I can get my favourite trinket to show on my ship in 2 years, maybe to have a complete Ashen Dragon ship set, internal and external, which by the way, isn't hard to get in the game. And this is the lowest tier trinket.
Plus almost all the new ship customization content is LOCKED behind these milestones. For a lot of them you have to unlock these trinkets and ship customization items MULTIPLE times on each ship. No one will spend that much time in the game to organically gain these, not unless they decide to grind it so they can brag about it.
Even the Tribute Peak Set, which requires you to play Gold Hoarders and get the emissary value up every month to the last tier, requires at least 6 MONTHS of playtime. It's not easy to get, but it's not IMPOSSIBLE.
These milestones don't make good stories, they make ridiculous stories. Do you know what cosmetics make good stories? Sunken Sorrow Set, NAL set, Champions of Sea set. The Good Boy Set. The SilverBlade Set. Hell even the Reaper's Bones emissary ledger complete set. Those people that fly those cosmetics, have all my respect, they really earned their place in the Sea of Thieves.
Someone who's been on fire for 100 hours from 2022? Damn dude, you are a psychopath if you managed that somehow.
Please try and understand my point of view here. I am not against gaining the highest regarded of trinkets and cosmetics through massive dedication and years of playtime. I am against making it nigh IMPOSSIBLE to achieve through any means.
And some of these milestones are actually IMPOSSIBLE to achieve for such an irrelevant trinket or cosmetic as well for some. The value of some of these trinkets do NOT match the effort needed to achieve them.
Not all of them are bad I looked through them, but some just outright make you question the design choice behind them.
@kozakderg said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
Please just try to compare these milestones to the commendations you are supposed to get in the game before disregarding everything I have said. The commendations are not supposed to be ground out either, but they are REASONABLE goals. Even for the lowest Serpent's Flame trinket, you are required to be on fire for 25 hours. Think about it. I can get my favourite trinket to show on my ship in 2 years, maybe to have a complete Ashen Dragon ship set, internal and external, which by the way, isn't hard to get in the game. And this is the lowest tier trinket.
Plus almost all the new ship customization content is LOCKED behind these milestones. For a lot of them you have to unlock these trinkets and ship customization items MULTIPLE times on each ship. No one will spend that much time in the game to organically gain these, not unless they decide to grind it so they can brag about it.
Even the Tribute Peak Set, which requires you to play Gold Hoarders and get the emissary value up every month to the last tier, requires at least 6 MONTHS of playtime. It's not easy to get, but it's not IMPOSSIBLE.
These milestones don't make good stories, they make ridiculous stories. Do you know what cosmetics make good stories? Sunken Sorrow Set, NAL set, Champions of Sea set. The Good Boy Set. The SilverBlade Set. Hell even the Reaper's Bones emissary ledger complete set. Those people that fly those cosmetics, have all my respect, they really earned their place in the Sea of Thieves.
Someone who's been on fire for 100 hours from 2022? Damn dude, you are a psychopath if you managed that somehow.
Please try and understand my point of view here. I am not against gaining the highest regarded of trinkets and cosmetics through massive dedication and years of playtime. I am against making it nigh IMPOSSIBLE to achieve through any means.
And some of these milestones are actually IMPOSSIBLE to achieve for such an irrelevant trinket or cosmetic as well for some. The value of some of these trinkets do NOT match the effort needed to achieve them.
Not all of them are bad I looked through them, but some just outright make you question the design choice behind them.
Literally you missed the entire point, and answered yourself in other cases. Why should you have every trinket unlocked for all of your Captained ships when you haven't done any of those things on a brand-new ship? And yes, being on fire for 100 hours would be thoroughly insane! Which is why when someone eventually does get it, you'll know they have a story or two to tell.
@blam320 Alright, I am talking to a wall. Get back to me in maybe 12 years and do tell your epic tales of gaining a trinket of such high value. I will be yearning to learn all the different ways you were caught on fire, since by the time you get that specific trinket, you won't remember 90% of the occurrences that would relate to such a tale. :)
EDIT: The Ashen Dragon Set is a hundred times easier to get and you would be able to tell more epic tales about acquiring such a set, instead of that one trinket. Toodaloo!
@kozakderg said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:
@blam320 Alright, I am talking to a wall. Get back to me in maybe 12 years and do tell your epic tales of gaining a trinket of such high value. I will be yearning to learn all the different ways you were caught on fire, since by the time you get that specific trinket, you won't remember 90% of the occurrences that would relate to such a tale. :)
Likewise, you come back when you lighten up and realize that the whole point of Milestones is to show off how YOU, PERSONALLY play, and what your preferred style is. You're not being pressured to complete every single one. I don't understand why this fact is lost on you. You're not supposed to be an expert at everything.
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