Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers

It's pretty important to separate harassment of an individual from personality hypocrisies and contradictions.

When it comes to some of the negative stuff, low and no evidence accusations, etc etc that is commonly found in streams/chats I think that comes down to support what you like and don't support what you don't like.

Any repeated hunting of an individual is unacceptable whether they are known or not known.

Random people that get excited and visit the stream of a streamer that they like or know of typically doesn't become a big issue.

It's the repeated, clear harassment stuff that is typically the issue and typically where the consequences end up for those accounts.

@pithyrumble said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

Having someone say I've got a ship that's doing a FoF you can have my ship is pretty close to targeting an individual.

I don't have an army of followers feeding me info from several different servers. I'm also not a public persona. I don't want to be targeted by famous people...who have an army of followers hunting me down if I happen to get lucky and win the fight and somehow don't get banned for stream sniping.

They ARE targeting individuals.

For the most part a streamer like any hopping pvper is going to chase after a potentially high reward target based on opt in risk/reward.

Reapers, emissaries, not personal info just opt in risk.

Now something you mentioned that I agree with for a bit of a different reason is not wanting to be a content pawn for a content creator. I very much view privacy as important so I do think that people should be able to show different names in the game and have the name linked to accurate info for reporting accountability. I think that content creators having all the power in deciding that is very flawed.

Repeated attempts to ruin an experience by targeting specific people is just flat out harassment and is not in any way the same as random cheesing of the risk/reward system.

If you were being tracked down for being PithyRumble that would be a serious violation against you as a person. Cheesing server hopping to go sink a potentially valuable target that just happens to have PithyRumble on the boat randomly isn't even close to the same thing.

None of this is condoning what some streamers engage in but it's just not in the same category as repeated and targeted harassment which is really where the focus on stream sniping with serious enforcement is. Enforcement, not just a streamer ranting about something on stream or letting accusations fly.

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

I have to agree with this 100%. Wish I could say I'm surprised more don't but I'm not.

I know a lot of streamers and a lot of hoppers. The streamers involved in that style are absorbed in action content action content action content and the hoppers are just delivering whatever they can find to feed the content machine.

It's like watching fast food being made. Not really a "let's take our time" type of operation.

Doesn't mean people need to like it, I think it's understandable why many don't but it's not personal targeting it's just making fast food to feed content consumers.

It doesn't even need to be streamers necessarily, plenty of discords have their own hopper thing going on even if it's not always resulting in public content. It's just people getting their daily "I sunk this type of ship with this type of loot" story for posting.

It's a small world out there though, people that know someone or know of someone do bump into each other regularly.

and just because someone has hundreds+ of viewers doesn't mean they have hundreds of hoppers. Everyone has their trusted or their core group of hoppers. That doesn't change much between smaller and larger channels.

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

I disagree. Sorry.

Sad to see the moderators here also support that type of thing. It IS targeting, no matter how you try to bend it to fit a narrative. Again, sorry.

I'm not a take sides kind of guy no matter how I feel about something personally.

I talk about the negative effects of hopping pvp pretty much daily. I've talked about what I view as common negative things involving streaming and the game.

Disagreeing with specific effects or actions doesn't mean that it justifies painting someone in a negative or accusatory way as a person.

Harassment is serious and a serious accusation. People aren't harassers because they play a game in a way that is cheesing but isn't targeting individual based on anything personal.

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

@wolfmanbush said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

I disagree. Sorry.

Sad to see the moderators here also support that type of thing. It IS targeting, no matter how you try to bend it to fit a narrative. Again, sorry.

I'm not a take sides kind of guy no matter how I feel about something personally.

I talk about the negative effects of hopping pvp pretty much daily. I've talked about what I view as common negative things involving streaming and the game.

Disagreeing with specific effects or actions doesn't mean that it justifies painting someone in a negative or accusatory way as a person.

Harassment is serious and a serious accusation. People aren't harassers because they play a game in a way that is cheesing but isn't targeting individual based on anything personal.

STRONGLY DISAGREE

That gives everyone a free pass to do whatever because "nothing is personal."

Streamers are already a bunch of coddled crybabies with special privileges. Allowing them to do as they please with no repercussions is not the way to go. I think we all know how bad Rare's choice of streaming partners has been based on events in the past. It would seem it has only gotten worse.

This sounds like a personal beef.

Personal beefs do not justify accusations that are not built on evidence, fairness, and accuracy.

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

@wolfmanbush said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

@wolfmanbush said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

I disagree. Sorry.

Sad to see the moderators here also support that type of thing. It IS targeting, no matter how you try to bend it to fit a narrative. Again, sorry.

I'm not a take sides kind of guy no matter how I feel about something personally.

I talk about the negative effects of hopping pvp pretty much daily. I've talked about what I view as common negative things involving streaming and the game.

Disagreeing with specific effects or actions doesn't mean that it justifies painting someone in a negative or accusatory way as a person.

Harassment is serious and a serious accusation. People aren't harassers because they play a game in a way that is cheesing but isn't targeting individual based on anything personal.

STRONGLY DISAGREE

That gives everyone a free pass to do whatever because "nothing is personal."

Streamers are already a bunch of coddled crybabies with special privileges. Allowing them to do as they please with no repercussions is not the way to go. I think we all know how bad Rare's choice of streaming partners has been based on events in the past. It would seem it has only gotten worse.

This sounds like a personal beef.

Personal beefs do not justify accusations that are not built on evidence, fairness, and accuracy.

Not personal at all.

Many good streamers split with Rare over their unwillingness to lift a finger about toxicity in the community. That's not personal from me. That's multiple people publicly stating an issue is present.

I agree and am simply saying threads like this show things have gotten worse, not better, as these issues are still around.

You have this way of going about things where you try to convince through negative opinions by people I don't know about people I largely don't know.

I'm not much in the market to think negative things about people especially without facts to examine.

As a side note, I really don't appreciate how you always try to spin my words into something different. You have some good posts, but most of the time it feels like you don't acknowledge any issues with the game when they are brought up not just by myself, but others.

You have a positive personality and that is a blessing for you. I just ask that you please try and realize some of us have experienced things in this game that we aren't ok with and rather than just walk away from a game we've put years into and who knows how much money, we would like to see these issues at least worked on by the developer. Seeing no progress whatsoever, much less hearing that certain elements of the game are endorsed by the developer when they clearly run afoul of their own rules and are hypocritical at best, makes some of us.....less than thrilled with our investment.

I'll think about this for a while to be fair to the request.

@like-500-ninjas said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

I appreciate that, but while you re thinking on it please remember ALL that I said....including that your positive personality is a blessing. I can respect that, and I have no beef, personal or otherwise, with you. When you post, you explain yourself thoroughly and I can definitely appreciate and respect that. You also have a lot of good insight for people.

You did tell me in another thread about trying to be more positive and change perspectives a bit, etc. I can tell you I AM working on that as that stuck with me. You may notice I haven't posted much until tonight. That's because I tried to read posts from a different perspective as you asked. So just know I appreciate your input whether it aligns with my opinion or is polar opposite.

Doesn't surprise me that you are putting in effort to invest in the more positive side of yourself.

I told you I believe in your potential as a contributor and as a part of the community. That is unlikely to change. I appreciate the kind words.

One day at a time, one attempt at a time. Once you find and consistently exercise the positivity that exists along with you you're going to do incredible at whatever it is that you become passionate about. There is no doubt about that from what I see.

@magus104 said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

Point is streamers can get more athena steals per day than a normal adventure mode player would get in a month because they have an army of chatters to invite them "Got a fort of fortune and a fort of the damned on my server" while yes the streamers being able to do this are an insane minority probably not even 50 ppl while thousands of people play on alliance discords. I do get that it makes for a much more entertaining stream. But lets be real SoT isn't the streaming game it was at launch. Despite having more content than ever its still pretty much sailing simulator with a bit of PvP thrown in. Perhaps its just me hating on twitch because I hate the platform, more now than ever before due to the ads. Plus the twitch drops being the only cosmetics Rare was adding to the game outside of the FOMO update stuff which didnt even cost gold. I also don't get why people on alliance discords bother to stream... People watch streams for the PvP which you arent doing. And that just fills chat withpeople begging to be invited to your boat so once everyone leaves they can invite a real streamer onto the server

I offer this sincerely

Perhaps you are dedicating a significant amount of time and energy to Twitch and within that content you disagree with and maybe it's time to participate in twitch less?

It's not uncommon for people to eventually realize that they are facing negative effects from consuming significant amounts of streaming content and being absorbed in the social side of it, the drama, the negativity, or even just finding it hard to step away to do other things.

@magus104 said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

Considering there's no way to force join a server in this game and you can only intentionally get on a streamers server by whispering other crews they encounter... And they can turn off other crew names. I don't see why they make such a big deal about the rare chance someone happens to know who they are and that they are on the same server so that person keeps an eye on the stream.

Yet streamers will stock a boat, get grade 5 reapers and exploit the pirates life portals to force merge off servers to find other emissaries without having to re-level a flag and restock the ship. Also they use their chat to fine people doing steal worth content and server hop for better steals rather than just playing the game like everyone else is just taking what you get. To me exploiting the fact they have a following is like reverse stream sniping and worse.

Even sadder is that Rare would probably take action against people for "Stream sniping" just because they noticed a streamer was on their server and tuned in to avoid getting robbed yet the streamers actively exploit but thats ok because it generates views and might bring new players to the game so... double standard.

Ok, so, Stream Sniping right? I'm old enough to remember the days of split-screen multiplayer, and in FPS games "screen-peeking" i.e looking at the other persons half of the screen was a no-no. It was unsporting and cheatsy. Stream Sniping is very much the same.

As for the other points, portal hopping is fair game as that turned out to be a QoL improvement for genuine Reapers who want to hunt Emissaries without needing to wait an interminable amount of time for a server merge if they successfully drive away other players from their server. I do agree that using their chat to find servers and steals isnt great though.

At the end of the day, so long as a Streamer isnt using their chat to clog up servers in order to hog gameplay for themselves, they are right to be aggrieved if they get stream-sniped IMO

@tizona-blu said in Streamers exploiting constantly but then crying about stream snipers:

I was so shocked to hear that streamers are being whiny and playing victim when they lose a PVP incident. I never would have thought that an adult playing video games as a profession would have an underdeveloped outlook on something not going their way.

I'm so shocked.

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