Pretty much nobody here engages in the serious parts of your post and those that do (outside of the forums) are very small in numbers and aren't going to be persuaded by a post like this.
I think public approaches like this paint the community in a certain way that doesn't accurately represent how the majority conduct themselves. It's the internet, there will be some terrible things said about everything and everyone but it's not many people doing it in the sot community compared to the overall population.
People stumble upon something like this and they see accusations of those threats being made and it feeds into a narrative that people are dangerous within the community or the community is this or that.
The effects aren't really accountability it's just stoking a drama fire imo.
@valor-omega if you get strawberry beard have fun with it don’t get mad yes you’ll have problems with everyone tying to get on the seas at the same time
@wolfmanbush I mean, in fairness, the outrage from the last community day wasn't anything small, nor was the amount of rudeness and hate towards the devs. You're right that most of the time public approaches don't really do much, but I still felt like this needed to be said, since some legitimately can't be bothered to be decent.
@valor-omega said in Community Day is coming up:
@wolfmanbush I mean, in fairness, the outrage from the last community day wasn't anything small, nor was the amount of rudeness and hate towards the devs. You're right that most of the time public approaches don't really do much, but I still felt like this needed to be said, since some legitimately can't be bothered to be decent.
Wording is powerful in communication.
The sentiment of promoting decency is contributing in a positive way.
Including generalized accusations that are very low in numbers puts the focus on something negative that rarely happens in order to try to build something positive up.
Imo that's counterproductive for the intent and builds your request on a foundation of seeing people within the community as enemies.
Foundations for a request/attempt built on negative approaches about others tend to be weaker than just encouraging positive views and approaches.
An alternative as an example would be an appreciation thread where positive things were laid out about community day and efforts by the devs without scolding or accusing the community. That builds on a foundation of positivity while not focusing on negatives parts. Imo
People that are trying to hurt others aren't fond of authority and being told what to do anyway. It just will make them defensive and they will use it as justification to continue on with how they approach things. They dig the reactions.
It is possible though, that someone reads a positive thread by you and they decide they like what they see and they decide they want to join you in your approach.
@wolfmanbush I agree, which is why I kept it short and simple. As I mentioned, the outrage from the last community day wasn't anything small, and I think many would agree that it was significant enough to be remembered, and not in the good way.
I don't disagree with the last point, however, I think it necessary to point out that I wasn't accusing anyone of anything, simply pointing out a fact. It happened, people were vitriolic, and it's not a kind of behavior that should be accepted. I don't think that reminding people to keep it respectful is asking for a whole lot, do you?
this isn't the place to talk about toxicity, I've never seen a single person on here posting about themselves being toxic. I don't think there are many of them, here especially. I understand your frustration though, it can be annoying, but we can't stop it so there's really no point in talking about it. That said, I hope people are friendly on the 14th. good luck!
@the-pheonix6886 You're right, it's largely on twitter and the SoT subreddit, lol. I did see a couple on here the last time. I digress, I just want people to have a good time on Community day, and I hope people can be chill.
@pickelking101 said in Community Day is coming up:
“The variable code didn’t go as I wanted! I will feel depressed now maybe that will make it better” -toxic sea of thieves players AKA, 70% of the players
A majority of players don't participate heavily if at all in the social platforms around the game. Social areas around the game are bubbles, bubbles feed into narratives. This goes both ways, not only criticism but also overly supportive to the point of not being objective in praise.
Imo people's feelings are valid. People invest a lot of time and energy into the product, when things consistently have issues it can create frustrations. I personally think that productive and positive approaches are the least destructive way to approach frustrations but people generally being upset or sad about issues are their feelings to have. They aren't choosing to feel depressed they are having a reaction to disruption in their joy. People react to that in different ways.
Imo dismissing people's feelings entirely is an effective way of contributing to people losing interest in investment. This game works because of personal and emotional investment. People care, that's a positive starting point even if things get a little complicated from time to time.
@wolfmanbush Voicing genuine concern, with constructive criticism is one thing, whereas harassing devs/other players not in outrage are completely different.
It's fine to voice discontent, but being verbally toxic doesn't solve any issues, nor will it magically make things better.
@valor-omega said in Community Day is coming up:
@wolfmanbush Voicing genuine concern, with constructive criticism is one thing, whereas harassing devs/other players not in outrage are completely different.
It's fine to voice discontent, but being verbally toxic doesn't solve any issues, nor will it magically make things better.
Imo this approach is something that happens often and I don't think it overall changes much of anything but does escalate and feed into negativity.
It's telling people how to behave and appears to me to be more about the virtue signaling than producing results. Even if it's unintentional.
These forums are mostly regs and people that come in with an issue they would like to voice or receive help with. The regs here largely conduct themselves within the rules and do not condone or participate in what you are talking about. The people that come here that are not regs can occasionally be upset and communicate in a rude/disrespectful way but I haven't seen the threats you are talking about and they aren't going to review threads like this before posting.
The issue I have with a virtue signaling approach is that it's creating the boogeyman for social high fives and it doesn't really change anyone's mind.
The reason I invested in the thread is because if the thread survives it will be viewed from time to time for potentially years and I think that it might be helpful to have different points of view about something with some seriousness to it like your op.
@wolfmanbush said in Community Day is coming up:
@pickelking101 said in Community Day is coming up:
“The variable code didn’t go as I wanted! I will feel depressed now maybe that will make it better” -toxic sea of thieves players AKA, 70% of the players
A majority of players don't participate heavily if at all in the social platforms around the game. Social areas around the game are bubbles, bubbles feed into narratives. This goes both ways, not only criticism but also overly supportive to the point of not being objective in praise.
Imo people's feelings are valid. People invest a lot of time and energy into the product, when things consistently have issues it can create frustrations. I personally think that productive and positive approaches are the least destructive way to approach frustrations but people generally being upset or sad about issues are their feelings to have. They aren't choosing to feel depressed they are having a reaction to disruption in their joy. People react to that in different ways.
Imo dismissing people's feelings entirely is an effective way of contributing to people losing interest in investment. This game works because of personal and emotional investment. People care, that's a positive starting point even if things get a little complicated from time to time.
Very well said :)
