Make Box of Wondrous Secrets and Ancient Skeletons more meaningful.

  • There's 3 Rare things in the game, Shrouded Ghost, Box of Secrets, and Ancient Skeletons. Shrouded Ghost gets you a unique title that is highly sought after. Ancient Skeleton gets you some ancient coins, and Box of Secrets gets you 25k gold. More so than the rest, The Box of Secrets needs a buff, 25k gold isn't honestly that much considering how incredibly rare it is, and once you've sold it, that's it, you get nothing for having found it. I think The Box of Secrets should have a commendation attached to them similarly to the Shrouded Ghost. This meaning commendations that I would consider an overflow goal, as in something that doesn't really matter to the 'completion' of the game, but is there to reward players lucky enough to find it. Likewise Ancient skeletons, which are less rare than both of those, could also have a commendation or two attached. This would also be an overflow goal but would also help people realise they even exist as I'm sure a lot of people don't know about it.

    Find and sell 1 Box of Wondrous Secrets - Keeper of Wondrous Secrets Title
    Find and sell 3 Box of Wondrous Secrets - Protector of Wondrous Secrets Title
    Steal 1 Box of Wondrous Secrets - Thief of Wondrous Secrets Title

    (Grade 1) Defeat 1 Ancient Skeleton - Slayer of Ancient Bones Title
    (Grade 2) Defeat 3 Ancient Skeletons
    (Grade 3) Defeat 5 Ancient Skeletons - Destroyer of Ancient Bones Title
    (Grade 4) Defeat 7 Ancient Skeletons
    (Grade 5) Defeat 10 Ancient Skeletons - Banisher of Ancient Bones Title

    I wouldn't want to encourage greifing in alliances to kill Ancient Skeletons that spawned on other crews, so I won't recommend one for that.

    To address some of the issues I can see people suggesting;

    ''Box of Secrets/Ancient Skeletons are RNG, you shouldn't have to find so many of these to 100% Complete the game'' There's a couple of issues with this.

    • There's definitely more people that have currently killed 1/5/10 Ancient Skeletons and Found 1/3 Stole 1 Box of Secrets than there are people who've found 1/5 Shrouded Ghosts.
    • Most people currently do not include the Shrouded Ghost commendations in 100% Completion of the game, as such the same logic would apply to these.

    ''Don't make me go into the Roar''

    • The Roar is a heavily under-utilised area of the map, that last saw content just over 1 year ago with the Introduction of the Heart of Fire tall tale. Helping players realise the Box of Secrets even exists, as well as incentivise people going hunting them; would boost the amount of people exploring the Roar, which is a good thing. If you don't want to go into the Roar, you don't have to, as its just a title that you don't need if you really don't want it.

    ''Stealing a Box of Secrets is ridiculous''

    • I've seen videos of people having done it, that's not to say its at all an easy task, however the existence of the commendation may encourage more player interaction in the Roar, where if you see someone in the Roar, you have a better reason to go over and check out what they're doing in case they carry a box. I do realise that a majority of people who earn this title will most likely be from Alliance servers that farm the Roar for Boxes and Trade boxes with each other similarly to Legendary Thief, as such I do see there being good reason not to include this Stealing commendation, but I still think its worth noting.

    It might actually be worth slightly boosting the spawnrate of Box of Secrets to go alongside this, as currently they're exceedingly rare and provide no value beyond a sum of gold and the sentimental value of any Screenshots you may get of it. As such boosting the spawnrate would not insult the players who have found it as its not like they have any current cosmetics such as titles that would then get devalued, which would be the case if you did something like increase the Shrouded Ghost spawn rate. Boosting the spawnrate would also encourage more people to venture into the Roar as they feel like they have a greater chance. You could also slightly alter the spawn location as the Box can currently spawn on Beaches as well as deep in the water off the coast of an island, which most likely means a LOT of boxes have never been found because crews didn't bother swimming around the entire island on the off chance there's a box. You'd probably want to make it so Boxes spawn on beaches but cannot spawn in the water, or at least not super deep down, make them still visible from the beach.

    Thanks for Reading!

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  • If there’s a commendation for stealing a box of wondrous secrets then no one will get it. Heck I still haven’t even seen it.

  • @ninja-naranja

    ''Stealing a Box of Secrets is ridiculous''
    I've seen videos of people having done it, that's not to say its at all an easy task, however the existence of the commendation may encourage more player interaction in the Roar, where if you see someone in the Roar, you have a better reason to go over and check out what they're doing in case they carry a box. I do realise that a majority of people who earn this title will most likely be from Alliance servers that farm the Roar for Boxes and Trade boxes with each other similarly to Legendary Thief, as such I do see there being good reason not to include this Stealing commendation, but I still think its worth noting.

    I acknowledge that issue in my post. Theres also a section about increasing the spawnrate.

  • @ninja-naranja said in Make Box of Wondrous Secrets and Ancient Skeletons more meaningful.:

    If there’s a commendation for stealing a box of wondrous secrets then no one will get it. Heck I still haven’t even seen it.

    This same logic can be applied to the shrouded ghost.

    It would be a rare title like OP is suggesting lol

  • No, no, no

    Do not do this.

    Ridiculously rare stuff should not have commendations stuck to it.

    I mean imagine what AF would be,

    • Legendary Seller of Wondrous Secrets, sell 100 boxes of Wondrous Secrets

    • Legendary Ancient Skeleton killer, kill 1000 ancient skeletons

    But assuming they didn't make busted commendations like that, the reason the SG title is OK is because it can be a long term goal. You don't need to go out of your way to find one and by the time you beat everything else, you will likely have it. Stealing a box of Wondrous Secrets is complete madness. There's a difference between rare encounter and next to impossible.

    Stealing it would not be hard. It would just be an incredibly tedious and boring grind to find one and steal it.

    The ancient skeleton commendations could be ok I suppose, I just don't see a need for them.

    Stuff like legendary SG hunter is bad though.

    If anything, just give us some fancy sails for selling tBoWS.

  • Seems like a good idea, especially since there is nothing in the game or website that keeps count of ancient skellys or the wonderous box, so it would be nice to have commendations tied to them and titles for those who are lucky enough to encounter multiple.

  • @ottyman8687 Why are you bringing AF into it? and where are you getting sell 100 boxes and 1000 ancient skeletons from? I clearly put 1, 3 boxes and 1-10 ancient skeletons. Not all commendations have an AF equivalent, ie all the bilge rat stuff. You could just put Box of Secrets in Forsaken Shores, as that's a natural place for it. And Ancient Skeletons in one of the Skeleton based ones or even just a generic one like Mercenary Voyages. I don't know why you're assuming there's AF stuff tied to it.

    SG title is OK because it can be a long term goal. You don't need to go out of your way to find one and by the time you beat everything else, you will likely have it.

    Does that not also apply? You don't need to go out of your way to find Ancient Skeletons, you'll just randomly find them while doing other stuff. Box of Secrets encourages you to go into the Roar which is currently a very underused area both in terms of player use and how the developers are just semi abandoning it as of now. I also spoke about potentially increasing the Box Rate so that they're still rare but not incredibly rare, as such people might start playing more in the Roar doing voyages while also checking for Boxes.

    SG is a long term goal as would Ancient Skeletons (and to a lesser Degree Box of Secrets as its Region locked)

  • @frogfish12

    It was mainly the stolen Box of Secrets I was against.

    You have to go out of your way to do that, with huge RNG at play.

  • @frogfish12

    I found the box of wondrous secrets once. It was no big deal. It’s bad enough that there is a commendation for the Shrouded Ghost.

    The shrouded ghost was never meant to be this rare. It was a programming glitch and Rare went with it. Similar to the White Whale and captain Ahab

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