This game has no anti-cheat, there's an abundance of people who esp or macro and it's getting really annoying to come by this. It's not on an every session basis but it does happen.
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We don't really know who is cheating for the most part
we don't entirely know what is done to monitor/detect it or how often people get hit with the hammer.
the game on a regular basis has issues that can easily lead people to assume cheating
too little information for us in the general public to be informed on how much of an issue it is.
What is known is that there aren't many people on each server and interactions can be pretty rare on the seas, this keeps potential cheating in adventure for the individual experience to a minimum. Most people on the typical server are entirely pve focused or mostly pve focused and are not likely doing anything against the rules in regards to cheating against other players. Assumed innocent not guilty imo. Benefit of the doubt unless there is context that piles up in one direction. Since we are mostly pirating against random people in adventure there is rarely context to justify removing benefit of the doubt for an opponent.
but with all that being said you're free to report what you want to report and those that handle the reports can sort it out for you.
For me I've seen far too many server anomalies and I've seen far too many extremely skilled players fight/hunt (that I know are clean) to really ever assume cheating in a random encounter.
@wolfmanbush For people who DO PvP, cheating in this game does exist and there's enough people that do it that you probably don't notice. ESP or macro's for quick swap are the most common. And people do use injectibles. There's plenty of videos shown of how people cheat and you can even search them up yourself. You won't ever be detected because there is no system in place for this. If the "safety of their players" is a real concern then adding an anti-cheat that is effective is the proper way to do this. Plenty of games actually have proper anti-cheats and in modern gaming there's no excuse to not have one. Saying no one cheats or there's a lacking amount of people who cheats is a super lazy excuse. Today I just ran into people who were using macro quick swap and were doing DPI glitching in water. Reporting them will do nothing because I know they'll just make a new account and play on that, people who cheat don't care if they get banned. Rare's excuse on their podcast too was so silly. There's people who like to PvP, the majority of players like to PvE because that's how Rare sells the game (and you can't tell me otherwise, look at their advertising). It's safe for investors. If Rare doesn't do anything about this I don't see why I shouldn't be able to even out the playing field. When will people who PvP be listened to lol.
@klon3dx said in Add Anti-Cheat:
@wolfmanbush For people who DO PvP, cheating in this game does exist and there's enough people that do it that you probably don't notice. ESP or macro's for quick swap are the most common. And people do use injectibles. There's plenty of videos shown of how people cheat and you can even search them up yourself. You won't ever be detected because there is no system in place for this. If the "safety of their players" is a real concern then adding an anti-cheat that is effective is the proper way to do this. Plenty of games actually have proper anti-cheats and in modern gaming there's no excuse to not have one. Saying no one cheats or there's a lacking amount of people who cheats is a super lazy excuse. Today I just ran into people who were using macro quick swap and were doing DPI glitching in water. Reporting them will do nothing because I know they'll just make a new account and play on that, people who cheat don't care if they get banned. Rare's excuse on their podcast too was so silly. There's people who like to PvP, the majority of players like to PvE because that's how Rare sells the game (and you can't tell me otherwise, look at their advertising). It's safe for investors. If Rare doesn't do anything about this I don't see why I shouldn't be able to even out the playing field. When will people who PvP be listened to lol.
I didn't say there isn't cheating. I value evidence and proof and that evidence and proof going through the motions so that they can be checked into by those with the power to do so.
What I don't support are the frequent accusations based off hunches and responses to losses and/or frustrations in battle.
It happens from pvers and pvpers and content creators alike. There is a system to report suspected cheating. All the "we need anti-cheat" and people acting as if their assumptions are facts in regards to cheating, or that because someone bested them in combat, makes the environment less enjoyable to be around.
Imo when it comes to people going on about cheating and toxicity the constant focus on talking about it rather than moving on from it makes the community weaker. Report (if reporting is something someone is into) and move forward imo.
The game would be a lot more enjoyable to play/watch if people weren't always accusing others of things all the time and keeping the drama alive. It's unpleasant and spreads like fire.
@wolfmanbush nah I understand that, I almost never see cheaters in adventure. It's just an occasional thing but what these guys were doing was blatant. I know for a fact these people were just alts using cheats. It's hard in this game to say who's really cheating, only way to go off is alt names and them playing strangely. What confirmed our suspicion was one of our players hiding on an island nearby, and they all shot off to the island and ran towards him instantly lol. My friends reported him but I didn't even bother, they'll just make another alt and play the game on that.
@klon3dx said in Add Anti-Cheat:
This game has no anti-cheat, there's an abundance of people who esp or macro and it's getting really annoying to come by this. It's not on an every session basis but it does happen.
The game does have anti-cheat. It uses server side machine learning to detect cheating behaviour. This is the same tech that Halo Infinite and other Azure based games use.
It has pros and cons. The pros being that it's harder for cheat makers to develop workarounds as nothing is running client side for them to examine. There's also less privacy concerns as nothing is running on the players' PCs. A lot of modern client side anti-cheat solutions require kernel access, which is dicey (COD does this).
The cons being that it needs to learn player behaviour over time so, while it can detect some strange activity, it relies heavily on people reporting and support confirming, so Rare can train the AI to better detect future infringements.
I personally think its hard to detect.
Aimbot is the only one i fear, and even that is combated with hitreg issues lol.
Since you can usualy predict people and become aware of them, not to many cheats seem to become a problem. Something like x-ray wont help you one the ladder. Good to find tuckers? Veterans are also good at that.
It would be lovely if they can detect hackers and ban them, but i dont think its too big of an issue, you can still win.
That being said, i am not aware of what advantages you can get by hacking.Never once seen a cheater and I’ve been mainly PvP’ing since I started. They aren’t that common.
I’ve seen macros, but that was in the final days of Arena when people were farming… games played??Anyway, it’s not too big of an issue and an anti-cheat would probably mistakenly ban more innocent people than cheaters due to server issues.
@realstyli Halo Infinite has a terrible anti-cheat and is one of the communities main pushes towards 343i to fix so I don’t think that helps the situation
@klon3dx said in Add Anti-Cheat:
@realstyli Halo Infinite has a terrible anti-cheat and is one of the communities main pushes towards 343i to fix so I don’t think that helps the situation
Devs are already losing the war using client side anticheat solutions as cheat makers get more clever. Meaning they are requiring deeper and deeper access to systems to prevent cheats. As I said, some now even requiring kernel level access. This is super dicey, as I said, bringing up a lot of security and privacy concerns (the game has 100% access to your entire PC while running).
Server side anticheat is in its infancy but, similar to DLSS, will get better over time as the AI learns to detect suspicious player behaviour. That does mean there will be a period where patience is required and, as I said, filing reports of suspicious activity will help it improve faster. Even reports that turn out to be innocent help it better to avoid false positives.
@burnbacon you've never read what I sent, they'll just make alts then play on those, it won't matter who you report they'll come back. They just want to play the game, not make progression.
i've been playing since 2018 and i've seem plenty of cheaters, it's been getting worse and worse lately, i was in an open crew with a guy who admitted to cheating and apparently his cheats showed him who else was cheating, and he was calling out treasure locations, how far people were from us etc, i left right after because i'm not taking a chance of getting banned myself, if they use a good anti cheat "innocents" aren't going to get banned either, that's just an excuse
everyone saying they've played forever and never ran into a cheater either one have no clue what cheating looks like or are blinding saying this because they love the game
anti cheats aren't perfect, but i'd rather there be something instead of nothing, because their server side anti cheats aren't very good, i'd take easy anti cheat at this point
i even tried to google "a certain phrase" for this game just now because someone told me they said they were adding anti cheat so i wanted to see where they said it and it brought up how to get cheats for this game on multiple sites, i left out the phrase because i don't want to promote the sites even if you have to google search it
@gallerine5582
I agree. I've played since 2019 and never encountered any cheaters.
I don't know what but this thread definitely feels like a rage post.
"WhAt? He KiLLeD mE? HeS a hAcKeR!"
Maybe hackers are everywhere like people insist. But otherwise it's a skill issue or I'm just really lucky (or oblivious)
@twodeeee5041 said in Add Anti-Cheat:
i've been playing since 2018 and i've seem plenty of cheaters, it's been getting worse and worse lately, i was in an open crew with a guy who admitted to cheating and apparently his cheats showed him who else was cheating, and he was calling out treasure locations, how far people were from us etc, i left right after because i'm not taking a chance of getting banned myself, if they use a good anti cheat "innocents" aren't going to get banned either, that's just an excuse
Kinda seems like a false boast from that guy. If it was that easy to see everyone else who was cheating using various third party programs with likely many different ways to hook into memory, I m sure they would be getting caught and banned very quickly.
everyone saying they've played forever and never ran into a cheater either one have no clue what cheating looks like or are blinding saying this because they love the game
Many of us who have played for 1k+ hours have ran across POTENTIAL cheaters. We aren't saying that. What we are saying is it's probably not worth the tons of hours to develop in-house or ~tens of thousands+ of dollars a year to contract out a more intrusive anti-cheat for the ~.004% cheater volume this game has, compared to say a game with RMT potential and a cheater volume of 10% like Tarkov. It's also very hard to tell with certainty from video clips and a second client's view when desync is still such a problem with this game from client-server-client.
anti cheats aren't perfect, but i'd rather there be something instead of nothing, because their server side anti cheats aren't very good, i'd take easy anti cheat at this point
EAC is probably the furthest I would go on an anti-cheat but they would have to support the game engine and structure that SoT runs on, on top of that people will need to ramp up their emporium spending to cover the contract cost unless they want a dip in content going forward. Some anti-cheats take it too far into ring 0 security permissions and some have been caught storing whole mirrors of people's entire set of hard disks in their computer on the 3rd party anti-cheat providers servers. This simply does not fly with me when it comes to modern data security practices and personal data.
i even tried to google "a certain phrase" for this game just now because someone told me they said they were adding anti cheat so i wanted to see where they said it and it brought up how to get cheats for this game on multiple sites, i left out the phrase because i don't want to promote the sites even if you have to google search it
If you are confident that so many people are cheating free and clear with no chance of getting caught, try it out and let us know when you get banned. Don't be salty about losing any of those nice time limited cosmetics though! My bet is you last maybe 3-4 sessions. Less if you are an aggressive player and get reported a few times.
That brings me to my final point. Aggressive players will always have WAY more time spent practicing combat in this game than a grinder or PvE focused player with the same amount of time in. Just because two players have 2k hours in the game doesn't make them equal in skill. The PvP oriented player will have 1,500+ of those hours practiced fighting while the other might only have ~200 and it's in the form of running away and trying to board and anchor others so it still is very limited. Most of those grinder/PvE types will absolutely think the other's are cheating when they start doing things that are only possible with that many hours of training like super long range chainshot and cannon shots aimed at the important points like cannon deck, wheel, masts. There is just a massive disconnect with people who don't fight and have way more hours sunk into the PvE of the game thinking stuff they see in PvP is mostly not possible without some sort of cheat or aimbot. Now if someone is landing every cannon shot as they travel NW in this game, yeah i'd call cheats on that because those waves make it near impossible to land anything even mid range.
You know where you can feel really safe? Xbox only servers. Now...that's not to say that there are zero hackers in there, but it's unquestionably far less than crossplay servers as the difficulty in hacking an xbox far surpasses the capabilities of the average cheater. PC may be the meta, but it's also got all the cheaters...so...¯_(ツ)_/¯
@klon3dx said in Add Anti-Cheat:
This game has no anti-cheat, there's an abundance of people
@klon3dx said in Add Anti-Cheat:
@wolfmanbush nah I understand that, I almost never see cheaters in adventure. It's just an occasional thing..
So which one is it? An abundance, or almost never? XD
The fact that you contradicted yourself so quickly, makes me less inclined to believe anything you say in relation to this matter. Sorry.
If you think you have encountered someone who is cheating, report them. That's all that needs said really.
@alienmagi said in Add Anti-Cheat:
I'd be happy if we at least had an actual reporting function in this game.
Right now you can get called the n-word 100 times and if you dont happen to record your gameplay 24/7 the toxicity will just happily continue with zero consequences.
There is a tool already available to help with this. You could just utilize the Xbox feature which allows you to record your last 30 seconds of gameplay. This is available on both console and PC.
@alienmagi said in Add Anti-Cheat:
Right now you can get called the n-word 100 times and if you dont happen to record your gameplay 24/7 the toxicity will just happily continue with zero consequences.
Unpopular opinion I guess, but I'm perfectly fine with this. Nowadays it's so easy to quickly screenshot a toxic message or record your gameplay, or even save the last few minutes of gameplay. I've never had an issue when it comes to getting evidence for reports. Nvidia GeForce is pretty easy to quickly record with if you're on PC with GeForce drivers.
@alienmagi pretty much any computer has the performance to use some sort of replay buffer today. ShadowPlay, OBS, even the Xbox companion. Just set it to save the last 30/60 seconds and hit the button whenever it's needed. A reporting feature isn't going to work in this game because what data could even be sent to Rare support to analyse the situation?
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-1. Probably shouldn't mention those types of products on the forum.
-2. Again, there's not "zero" hackers on xbox as I said.
-3. Their scripts for SOT (and most games) are not even mildly close to the level of hacking that PC users are capable of. SOT scripts are effectively useless from what I understand.
-4. and this one is super important. Get caught on an xbox and you can get a hardware ban. Get caught on PC and you just create a new account and try again.@sweetsandman said in Add Anti-Cheat:
@kommodoreyenser
-1. Probably shouldn't mention those types of products on the forum.I mean technically it is just a controller adapter. It can be made to be more is the issue.
-2. Again, there's not "zero" hackers on xbox as I said.
Yes BUT it technically is much cheaper/easier as it is PnP on Xbox now.
-3. Their scripts for SOT (and most games) are not even mildly close to the level of hacking that PC users are capable of. SOT scripts are effectively useless from what I understand.
They do in fact have things like aim assist/sticky aim/whatever you want to call it from my brief search so that's a bit off. They also have things like fishing bot which promotes AFK farming. Trust me, I guarantee any functionality people can pull on PC can be done via flashing programs to that device.
-4. and this one is super important. Get caught on an xbox and you can get a hardware ban. Get caught on PC and you just create a new account and try again.
Yeah sure, except for Xbox Ones are now like $60-100 easy. Nothing to say you can't sell your banned consoles to pay for the new one.
Also, Rare have been banning alt accounts that try to do this now and they get banned for "ban evasion" so again, not that accurate of a point.
I don't think at this point, any platform is above cheating in the primary ways which damage any game. I am an equal opportunity reporter and try to stay current on not just how people are cheating but HOW they are pulling it off. Educating yourself is the best way to be able to accurately identify and report people and point out specifics to focus Support's attention and time.
@loaf-cat1384 said in Add Anti-Cheat:
@alienmagi pretty much any computer has the performance to use some sort of replay buffer today. ShadowPlay, OBS, even the Xbox companion. Just set it to save the last 30/60 seconds and hit the button whenever it's needed. A reporting feature isn't going to work in this game because what data could even be sent to Rare support to analyse the situation?
Youre missing the point, why should you be required to use 3rd party software to report when Rare could simply add a chat log or an actual report function?
Sorry but I'm not bothered about toxicity enough to take precious time of my day to record a video, edit it, go through the hassle of going to a website and filling out the report form and basically doing Rare's job for free.
Workarounds are not solutions, reporting in games with a proper system takes less than a minute.
@alienmagi > Rare could simply add a chat log or an actual report function?
Because most cases of this are caught by voice chat, not text chat.
Sorry but I'm not bothered about toxicity enough to take precious time of my day to record a video, edit it, go through the hassle of going to a website and filling out the report form and basically doing Rare's job for free.
If it doesn't bother you enough, don't complain.
Workarounds are not solutions, reporting in games with a proper system takes less than a minute.
It does, however in 99% of games that have a report button for toxicity, nothing ever gets done.
@loaf-cat1384 said in Add Anti-Cheat:
@alienmagi > Rare could simply add a chat log or an actual report function?
Because most cases of this are caught by voice chat, not text chat.
Sorry but I'm not bothered about toxicity enough to take precious time of my day to record a video, edit it, go through the hassle of going to a website and filling out the report form and basically doing Rare's job for free.
If it doesn't bother you enough, don't complain.
Who are you exactly to tell me what to do?
Sorry but I dont take orders from someone who lacks the ability to form an argument and goes straight to saying "shut up".
@alienmagi please get off your high horse, pal.
If pressing one button, compressing the video, and then uploading it to a report ticket is too much effort, I don't know what else Rare can do. An in-game report system would not be anywhere near as effective and would just give the impression of doing something without anything actually happening.
Plus, the current method lets you know if your report has resulted in someone being banned. It's absolutely worth the little bit of extra effort.
@kommodoreyenser i dont think its a false boast at all, my friend in real life cheats on gtaonline and he can see who else is cheating and the program also hides his IP from other cheaters, BUT it's way easier to cheat on gta than anything else tbh
"IF YOURE SO CONFIDENT THEN CHEATT" yeah nice logic there buddy, prove there's cheaters by cheating yeah you aren't that bright LOL, let me risk my account and my 2018 beta sword because you people have blind faith there are no cheaters in the game
easy anti cheat wouldn't require much at all for them to put into the game, destiny 2 did it way after launch and it's not going to break their bank account
stop making excuses for rare, they can do it themselves lol, you aren't the devs, stop speaking for them and brown nosing
@alienmagi honestly all they do is kiss butt here, you're wasting your time with valid arguments, they do nothing but make excuses for rare all day, there DEF needs to be a report button in game, not only for cheating but people saying the N word and tons of other things, which i have heard regularly on the game, i mean they aren't supporting arena anymore so they should have plenty of staff to hop on this but i mean, the hit reg has been bad since launch so i doubt anything will be done anytime soon
i'm done with this thread tho, it's a waste of breath, feel free to quote reply all my posts with "witty" responses to make yourself feel good
i love this game, i've been playing since 2018, these criticisms aren't hate towards the game or the devs, but that doesn't mean i'm not allowed to call out the game or devs on things that aren't great or need fixed, so keep that in mind, have a nice day guys
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