hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox

"Don't do it rare it would be a huge slap in the face for those who played arena and got all the achievements trying to 100% the game to have people who haven't done arena pretend that they have 100% the game."

Must be fun being Rare trying to make people happy.

@cantstandya-247
From https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/144709/saying-goodbye-to-the-arena/2

What happens to any Xbox achievements that could only be earned in The Arena?

After thorough investigation, we were unable to find a fair and elegant way to repurpose the Arena-centric achievements for use in Sea of Thieves’ sandbox Adventure mode. We were unwilling to compromise in a way that would disrespect the efforts of players who fully met the original criteria, so alongside retiring The Arena as a game mode, we will also be retiring the accompanying achievements. These will be marked as Legacy Achievements on Xbox, and will no longer be visible or earnable on the Steam platform after March 10th.

@cantstandya-247 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

Please hide, remove or change these unattainable achievements for xbox. I hear that they are hidden on steam so why cant it be hidden on xbox? Achievements and points would still show for people who completed them making it possible to 110% the game. Or change requirements. win in the arena 100 times as pirate legend or sell x amount of athena chests. it wouldnt be unfair for people who spent the time on them because they would have the in game commendations and cosmetics that no one else would have after unlocking those achievements after march. Plus you could give them more cosmetics for completing before the change. All that was done was a name change that now puts (legacy) at the end. Could have easily have changed the name to "haha unattainable" or "you'll never get this". The points and completion still count towards 100% of sea of thieves. I know people will say "achievements dont matter" but they keep adding them so they clearly do. Others might say that I had a long time to obtain them. which is true but the amount of time spent on the multiple grindy adventure achievements vs the time spent ginding one arena achievement (100 wins) wasn't worth it until adventure was complete. That being said I was proud of what I have completed. All that was left was mechant missions and some of the harder fish to catch (looking at you blackcloud wreaker) and a crew for the secret achievement. Not being able to complete these arena achievements is a huge slap in the face. I know there must be people out there like me wanting to beable to 100% sea of thieves. Not just the lucky few who completed arena first. A simple name change is not the solution and hopefully more people complain so a change will happen in the future.

You had 2 years to work on things to be 100% completed. You either were not playing, chose not to do arena, or were unable to earn the arena achievements despite trying your hardest.

The middle ground is that it is legacy. Legacy meaning that it was a thing before new players start.

What you are asking for will never happen per Rare.

This same logic can be applied to the people who missed out on the Good Boy set (like me). I'm not pooping my pants over it. Keep getting the things you can earn. You had your chance for arena.

@dank-jimb0

Nobody cares about getting the unattainable achievements it's more of an issue of now being permanently gated from getting 100%

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0

Nobody cares about getting the unattainable achievements it's more of an issue of now being permanently gated from getting 100%

If that is honestly the case, then it makes sense. You were unable to get 100% for whatever reason and your achievements should and always will reflect that. I don't see the issue. Do you also get upset that you cannot get certain cosmetics?

Anyone who argues against removing them seriously needs to stop.

For lots of achievement hunters getting 100% is very important and having impossible to obtain achievements is always bad.

Look at all the bad rep old games get for having unobtainable multiplayer achievements

People need to stop acting like everyone has infinite time like them to obtain 1000s of grindy trophies

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

Anyone who argues against removing them seriously needs to stop.

For lots of achievement hunters getting 100% is very important and having impossible to obtain achievements is always bad.

Look at all the bad rep old games get for having unobtainable multiplayer achievements

People need to stop acting like everyone has infinite time like them to obtain 1000s of grindy trophies

I don't think it is unreasonable that you had 2 years to get these achievements done in an evolving game, missed your chance, and now you cannot get them.

What is this "all the bad rep" games get? I think it is overblown that people actually care about 100% a game.

I started playing 8 months ago, I will never get certain cosmetics. Most people who have started after day one are okay with this. I understand it is not the same as 100% achievements, but it kind of is. You missed something and it should reflect that you did not in fact 100% the game. Arena was a part of the game and so now it is listed as legacy.

I don't get the argument for it unless you missed it. Should someone who comes into the game brand new years from now complain that they cannot get arena achievements too? lol

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

Look at all the bad rep old games get for having unobtainable multiplayer achievements

All the bad rep?

Plays the gif of John Travolta from Pulp Fiction where he's looking around confused

@dank-jimb0

Cosmetics are nothing like achievements.

Having the limited time cosmetics is a sign that you were there and played. That is fair. There isn't a big list of cosmetics available that will forever be stuck at 99% because you missed one.

Achievements on the other hand, should be achievable whenever. If a new player joins a is permanently gated from a load of achievements from the get go, it is completely unfair.

People should be allowed to 100% the game as it is. If content is cut it no longer contributes to 100% and therefore should not be included in achievements, which are a sign of how close to 100% you are.

It would even be fine just to make the achievements available in adventure by altering the requirements, instead of earn silver, just say earn doubloons or something. It's not that hard

People with infinite time in their lives defending impossible achievements, are the same people who got all upset when the commendations were rebalanced and made achievable (1000 wood crates, seriously?).

Personally I am against any sort of tile limited content, which is why I mainly hate things like Battle Passes, but in the context of this game where cosmetics are everything and a sign of achievement it is OK.

But achievements being permanently gated, making 100% (which isn't even 100% anymore) impossible is bad.

@dank-jimb0 Just because you don’t care about something doesn’t mean other people don’t. One of my friends plays games to 100% them, that’s how he enjoys a lot of games. Please try to be considerate, it’s really not that hard.

@ninja-naranja

THANK YOU!! Im so glad someone understands, I personally love getting my games to 100% and I'm happy that people exist who understand :)

@ninja-naranja said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0 Just because you don’t care about something doesn’t mean other people don’t. One of my friends plays games to 100% them, that’s how he enjoys a lot of games. Please try to be considerate, it’s really not that hard.

I think moving it to legacy is the best option, anything else cheapens what the achievements were when people had 2 years to actually care about the game mode. I say all of this as someone who has been playing for less than a year but actually loved arena and chose to participate in it enough to get what I want from it.

The only people who are complaining about this are people who never took it seriously but freaked out when they learned it was going away and would miss on cosmetics and achievements. Moving it to legacy is the best option for the majority of players because the majority do not care about 100% achievements.

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0

Cosmetics are nothing like achievements.

Having the limited time cosmetics is a sign that you were there and played. That is fair. There isn't a big list of cosmetics available that will forever be stuck at 99% because you missed one.

Achievements on the other hand, should be achievable whenever. If a new player joins a is permanently gated from a load of achievements from the get go, it is completely unfair.

People should be allowed to 100% the game as it is. If content is cut it no longer contributes to 100% and therefore should not be included in achievements, which are a sign of how close to 100% you are.

It would even be fine just to make the achievements available in adventure by altering the requirements, instead of earn silver, just say earn doubloons or something. It's not that hard

People with infinite time in their lives defending impossible achievements, are the same people who got all upset when the commendations were rebalanced and made achievable (1000 wood crates, seriously?).

Personally I am against any sort of tile limited content, which is why I mainly hate things like Battle Passes, but in the context of this game where cosmetics are everything and a sign of achievement it is OK.

But achievements being permanently gated, making 100% (which isn't even 100% anymore) impossible is bad.

To be fair cosmetics are literally the same thing as achievements. Essentially have zero meaning besides that you completed something or not to "earn" them. Moving achievements to legacy means they were something part of the game. New players won't be able to get them and players who were around had their chance.

I don't see how this is an issue. If you want to 100% the game you had your chance. The middle ground is that it is moved to legacy. If you sit at 99%, then in all honesty you only completed 99% of the game which is accurate.

@dank-jimb0

No you haven't beaten 99% of the game because that 1% doesn't exist anymore. You have 100% but that isn't reflected.

You clearly aren't a trophy hunter so you don't understand how important the 100% is to some people.

Also new players being unable to unlock it is EVEN WORSE. They are told from the get go that they will never reach 100%, the end.

And hardly anyone collects achievements to say 'I did this' most people use them as a checklist to set goals for the game, etc. Ultimately to tick them all off. It's the completed list which is the reward, not the achievements themselves.

To the people who care about them, they are nothing like cosmetics.

There is literally no reason not to remove them or give them achievable requirements

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0

No you haven't beaten 99% of the game because that 1% doesn't exist anymore. You have 100% but that isn't reflected.

You clearly aren't a trophy hunter so you don't understand how important the 100% is to some people.

Also new players being unable to unlock it is EVEN WORSE. They are told from the get go that they will never reach 100%, the end.

And hardly anyone collects achievements to say 'I did this' most people use them as a checklist to set goals for the game, etc. Ultimately to tick them all off. It's the completed list which is the reward, not the achievements themselves.

To the people who care about them, they are nothing like cosmetics.

There is literally no reason not to remove them or give them achievable requirements

I respectfully disagree. There is a small amount of people that are trophy hunters in the sense of 100% in achievements. As Rare stated, this was the best middle ground that was fair. There is no way to repurpose things from Arena that isn't tacky or defeating the purpose of what it was.

I also still think that achievements are just like cosmetics. They ultimately don't mean anything besides what the player assigns to them. They also can show other players if you have completed something or not. There are players who did not complete arena for whatever reason. Arena wasn't perfect but it was a part of the game and is now part of the legacy of SoT.

Legacy achievements makes the most sense and I think Rare made the best decision.

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0

No you haven't beaten 99% of the game because that 1% doesn't exist anymore. You have 100% but that isn't reflected.

You clearly aren't a trophy hunter so you don't understand how important the 100% is to some people.

Also new players being unable to unlock it is EVEN WORSE. They are told from the get go that they will never reach 100%, the end.

And hardly anyone collects achievements to say 'I did this' most people use them as a checklist to set goals for the game, etc. Ultimately to tick them all off. It's the completed list which is the reward, not the achievements themselves.

To the people who care about them, they are nothing like cosmetics.

There is literally no reason not to remove them or give them achievable requirements

There absolutely is a reason to keep them as is. To be fair to those who completed them. In the past when achievements difficulty was reduced, what you had to do wasnt changed. For those of us who had met those requirements prior, we were given the Overachiever Sails. I would be all for legacy achievements being hidden if you havent completed them. But your gamerscore for SoT will be lower and it should be.

@dank-jimb0

Legacy achievements aren't the best decision! HOW CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY AN UNACHIEVABLE ACHIEVMENT???

If they couldn't repurpose them, REMOVE THEM there is no reason not to. Just labelling them with "legacy" does nothing.

I'd like to point out that Steam has removed the achievements which begs the question, why can't xBox?

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0

Legacy achievements aren't the best decision! HOW CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY AN UNACHIEVABLE ACHIEVMENT???

If they couldn't repurpose them, REMOVE THEM there is no reason not to. Just labelling them with "legacy" does nothing.

I'd like to point out that Steam has removed the achievements which begs the question, why can't xBox?

It was achievable, that is the point of it being listed as legacy.

No idea why it cannot be removed from Xbox, but I'm glad that it is not and kept as legacy.

@dank-jimb0 it really comes down to how Microsoft handles legacy achievements. IMO they should be hidden if you weren’t able to achieve them like they are on stream. I’m not really sure why you’re arguing so much against something you have no stake in.

I’ll say it again, just because you don’t care about it, doesn’t mean that others don’t. Have some empathy man.

Tbh at this point if I ever get close to 100% I can just buy it on Steam and actually have 100%

Yes I'm that sad but idc

I stand by my point that it is stupid keeping them there.

@ninja-naranja said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0 it really comes down to how Microsoft handles legacy achievements. IMO they should be hidden if you weren’t able to achieve them like they are on stream. I’m not really sure why you’re arguing so much against something you have no stake in.

I’ll say it again, just because you don’t care about it, doesn’t mean that others don’t. Have some empathy man.

I'm entitled to my opinion that it is fine how it is and Rare should not focus on trying to change it. People had their time to get the achievements done and were unable to for whatever reason.

I understand that it sucks for those of you who did not/could not get it. I understand that it affecting achievement scores sucks. I just don't think they should change it just because a small amount of people struggle with seeing 99% of the game completed when it fact they only did complete 99% of the game.

@dank-jimb0

That argument that they only completed 99% of the game is just stupid though.

Arena can no longer be counted to 100% because it isn't there.

It's like giving someone a test paper but tearing a page out the middle, but still including it in the total marks for the paper

You can't say that someone has only beaten 99% after they've beaten the game to 100% because if it's not there, then it doesn't count

@ottyman8687 said in hide, remove or change requirements for the arena achievements on xbox:

@dank-jimb0

That argument that they only completed 99% of the game is just stupid though.

Arena can no longer be counted to 100% because it isn't there.

It's like giving someone a test paper but tearing a page out the middle, but still including it in the total marks for the paper

You can't say that someone has only beaten 99% after they've beaten the game to 100% because if it's not there, then it doesn't count

Don't say stupid, that isn't nice buddy.

I'm just agreeing with Rare that it isn't fair to those who were able to complete achievements. The people who were unable to do it or haven't played yet are going to have 99% because it is accurate to what they have done in the game. The achievements are listed as legacy which clearly means they are no longer in the game. That was a good compromise in my opinion.

This is mostly people who cannot handle seeing 99% on their screen when in all actuality they only completed 99% of the game.