It’s truly inconvenient to need to take a short break to attend responsibilities or take an extended bathroom break and have SoT time out on you. It can be devastating to your progress and efforts. Ideally, we need an extension on the Lazybeard timer, but maybe there’s some creative solutions that could mitigate this problem without doing a universal increase?
Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard
@snazzbox its 10 minutes. If you need a bigger break sell and log off.
Or cheese it, rubberband a controller. That buys you like 40 min.
I always thought that they should implement a paid version of the server hop that can do what you are asking.
Still have the Tall Tale portals, those are fine, but make a "paid" one that provides a more streamlined experience.
Specifics:
Make it cost 25,000 gold & only be available to vote on at outposts
Allow players to remain in the portal for 2 hours without timing out & keep their supplies / flag
After 2 hours, it simply kicks you out to a server and then you lazybeard as normal
Make the paid portal non-cinematic (but still nice looking) so that players can use it to officially server hop within a minute or so, without the delay of the tall tale narration
Optional, allow crews to change ship size but reset emissary flag maybe? Often requested so just thought I'd throw it in as something to discuss the merits of.There isn't much more abuse I can think of that you can't already do by just macroing or setting your character to spin or whatever, but the upside is that it creates a gold sink, a streamlined server hopping experience, and a way to idle so you can go eat, take a break.
Servers across a myriad of games boot afks, why you may ask? Server quality control. Every non-playing ship on the server is one less boat to interact with. That means friendly as well as hostile encounters decrease. This is a social game, its an important pillar. To take away from that pillar drastically effects the player experience. A server goes from 5 ships to interact with, now to 4. That's a substantial chunk of the server so now the servers will seem that much more dead thus effecting QOL for the rest of the players.
Look man, I get it. Real life calls, but populations on the servers are already low as is. Had there been more ships this wouldn't even be a discussion. Ultimately, your presence matters to the server quality. You choosing to just idle makes the game experience worse for everyone else. It makes perfect sense to boot you so someone who actually wants to play can get the full server experience.
@nabberwar I hear your argument but I entirely disagree. Especially when not everyone else wants that social interaction with other players, one ship being idle and ONLY for 15 or 20 minutes means very little. It’s not unreasonable to ask not to be kicked when life happens and you have to deal with things that can’t be accounted for. We’re not all teenagers or unmarried adults who live alone. Sometimes people have to unexpectedly put down the controller to deal with something, and it’s a serious offense to have your progress wiped because of that.
@scurvywoof Not always possible. Unexpected stuff comes up and it’s not always possible. What’s wrong with extending it 5-10 minutes? Are you telling me my opinion’s invalid for the simple fact that I could’ve “sold and logged off”? You seem to be pretending I’m asking something completely unreasonable.
@snazzbox What I like about this game is that you're not really beholden to anything, because you can just quit at any time and jump back in again later. Aside from limited-time events, everything you do can always be done later. Sure you might not complete a voyage all of the way through, but so what? Just do it again when you come back and get credit for a voyage and a half instead of just 1! That's a better deal, so long as you don't mind waiting. In any case, it's just a game - that means that just about anything else that takes place in your real life automatically takes precedence. 😉
@snazzbox said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@scurvywoof Not always possible. Unexpected stuff comes up and it’s not always possible. What’s wrong with extending it 5-10 minutes? Are you telling me my opinion’s invalid for the simple fact that I could’ve “sold and logged off”? You seem to be pretending I’m asking something completely unreasonable.
Do NOT put words into my mouth. I absolutely hate it when people do that. 10 minutes is more than enough time. Unexpected things come up all the time, yes, but at the end of the day, it’s a video game. It doesn’t matter.
@snazzbox said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
It’s truly inconvenient to need to take a short break to attend responsibilities or take an extended bathroom break and have SoT time out on you. It can be devastating to your progress and efforts. Ideally, we need an extension on the Lazybeard timer, but maybe there’s some creative solutions that could mitigate this problem without doing a universal increase?
Definitely not.
Bad actors would abuse it.
There needs to be no ways to avoid afk timers.
Also, you can multi-quote by clicking quote on each individual post.
@captain-coel said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@snazzbox its 10 minutes. If you need a bigger break sell and log off.
@burnbacon said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
If it’s that bad. Just logoff the game dude. Seriously.
“Devastating” XD really tho?
@scurvywoof said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
As others have mentioned, if you’re gone for more than 10 minutes, you should’ve sold and logged off.
@pithyrumble said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
Eat more fiber and drink more water.
Bathroom breaks will be faster
🤣☠I think you guys are being a bit too punishing.
I can imagine myself being pretty annoyed if I grinded lvl4 Athena Emissary and the game logged me off for tending to my 4 year old son for 10 mins. Not to mention that some people have health issues that can also result in an immediate need to afk for 10ish minutes.
Selling loot and/or eating more fibers are not viable solutions.
@personalc0ffee said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
Definitely not.
Bad actors would abuse it.
There needs to be no ways to avoid afk timers.
People who want to abuse and/or cheese afk timers will always find ways to do so, even if the timer was 13 seconds.
And also, who could possibly have abusive gains from an extended afk timer? At least I can't think of any way that I could capitalize on that personally. Can you? Mind sharing?
@greengrimz said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@captain-coel said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@snazzbox its 10 minutes. If you need a bigger break sell and log off.
@burnbacon said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
If it’s that bad. Just logoff the game dude. Seriously.
“Devastating” XD really tho?
@scurvywoof said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
As others have mentioned, if you’re gone for more than 10 minutes, you should’ve sold and logged off.
@pithyrumble said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
Eat more fiber and drink more water.
Bathroom breaks will be faster
🤣☠I think you guys are being a bit too punishing.
I can imagine myself being pretty annoyed if I grinded lvl4 Athena Emissary and the game logged me off for tending to my 4 year old son for 10 mins. Not to mention that some people have health issues that can also result in an immediate need to afk for 10ish minutes.
Selling loot and/or eating more fibers are not viable solutions.
@personalc0ffee said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
Definitely not.
Bad actors would abuse it.
There needs to be no ways to avoid afk timers.
People who want to abuse and/or cheese afk timers will always find ways to do so, even if the timer was 13 seconds.
And also, who could possibly have abusive gains from an extended afk timer? At least I can't think of any way that I could capitalize on that personally. Can you? Mind sharing?
My comment pertains to wanting to avoid AFK timers, alltogether.
@calicorsaircat said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
I always thought that they should implement a paid version of the server hop that can do what you are asking.
Still have the Tall Tale portals, those are fine, but make a "paid" one that provides a more streamlined experience.
Specifics:
Make it cost 25,000 gold & only be available to vote on at outposts
Allow players to remain in the portal for 2 hours without timing out & keep their supplies / flag
After 2 hours, it simply kicks you out to a server and then you lazybeard as normal
Make the paid portal non-cinematic (but still nice looking) so that players can use it to officially server hop within a minute or so, without the delay of the tall tale narration
Optional, allow crews to change ship size but reset emissary flag maybe? Often requested so just thought I'd throw it in as something to discuss the merits of.There isn't much more abuse I can think of that you can't already do by just macroing or setting your character to spin or whatever, but the upside is that it creates a gold sink, a streamlined server hopping experience, and a way to idle so you can go eat, take a break.
Yes to this.
I agree that the afk timer can be a real B.
Luckily i've never had it kick me, even though i remember going afk at tribute peak for like 30-45 minutes by using the seadog sleep emote.
Just to clarify, i didn't afk at tribute peak for safety reasons, i was farming the last tall tale in the shores of gold back to back and i needed to take a break to eat, and to recover my sanity.
@personalc0ffee said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@greengrimz said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@captain-coel said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@snazzbox its 10 minutes. If you need a bigger break sell and log off.
@burnbacon said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
If it’s that bad. Just logoff the game dude. Seriously.
“Devastating” XD really tho?
@scurvywoof said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
As others have mentioned, if you’re gone for more than 10 minutes, you should’ve sold and logged off.
@pithyrumble said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
Eat more fiber and drink more water.
Bathroom breaks will be faster
🤣☠I think you guys are being a bit too punishing.
I can imagine myself being pretty annoyed if I grinded lvl4 Athena Emissary and the game logged me off for tending to my 4 year old son for 10 mins. Not to mention that some people have health issues that can also result in an immediate need to afk for 10ish minutes.
Selling loot and/or eating more fibers are not viable solutions.
@personalc0ffee said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
Definitely not.
Bad actors would abuse it.
There needs to be no ways to avoid afk timers.
People who want to abuse and/or cheese afk timers will always find ways to do so, even if the timer was 13 seconds.
And also, who could possibly have abusive gains from an extended afk timer? At least I can't think of any way that I could capitalize on that personally. Can you? Mind sharing?
My comment pertains to wanting to avoid AFK timers, alltogether.
I'm just confused at this point! ^_^
What do you mean?
How do fella! Would you really leave a G4 Athena unattended for 15-20 mins? That's sheer lunacy! Regardless it's no hardship to nip back for a mouse wiggle if you need to every 10 mins.. (coming from someone with three kids..) I literally set an alarm if we're on a monster session.
If I'm going to be beyond 15 minutes, I will periodically come in and move my pirate around and tap buttons.
There are active ways to avoid being kicked if you need a slight bit of more time.
I just don't want players given the ability to outright avoid afk timers. AFK people need kicked for the health and stability of the game.
@snazzbox said in Need Options To Avoid Lazy-beard:
@nabberwar I hear your argument but I entirely disagree. Especially when not everyone else wants that social interaction with other players, one ship being idle and ONLY for 15 or 20 minutes means very little. It’s not unreasonable to ask not to be kicked when life happens and you have to deal with things that can’t be accounted for. We’re not all teenagers or unmarried adults who live alone. Sometimes people have to unexpectedly put down the controller to deal with something, and it’s a serious offense to have your progress wiped because of that.
So if another person on a ship on the same server is AFK you're not allowed ? Besides that it will make the server look emptier than it is (one other ship of 4 is quite more than "means very little").
A longer timer would also make it far more easier for AFK-leaches in a crew.
If this is a regular thing, I'd advice to crew up with someone who doesn't mind you doing this.
A compromise I could see them do is doubling the AFK timer for Closed Crew only. But keeping it as is for Open Crews.
The reason Lazybeard exists is to prevent AFK players taking up spots in Open Crews, which originally was the only option we had in the game. Closed crews are usually friends or solo players, so I don't think it needs to be as strict.
In almost 4 years, I've never had a Lazybeard but I can empathise.
I fully understand kicking AFK players for population reasons, but at least let us keep the progress we have made so far. Playing for 2 hours, then having a knock on the door from some muppet with a clipboard and a nametag on a lanyard who argues with you for 20 mins about the virtue of the TV licence because it's been a long running dispute for the last 4 years, then coming back and losing EVERYTHING is slightly more annoying than a 4 year argument with a bunch of idiots who don't even know their own rules.
@ham6331 Ahoy!
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