That's my curiosity. Because since I started in the game, I hear about banned players because they were discovered using some kind of hack, or I hear about others who use some kind of cheat but have not yet been caught.
I don't particularly know when someone's cheating. But there really are strange situations in the game, especially when it comes to PvP, both TDM and naval. But it is not possible to know if this is because of the famous hitreg or some kind of cheating. In addition to the famous cannon shots that most seem to be guided, despite the various adverse conditions that occur in the game, like absurdly large distances and waves, but they always come towards your head
Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?
@personalc0ffee said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
It has anticheat.
Please stop saying it does not.
Yes people will cheat, fact of life.
Record and report suspicious activity.
Has? And what is it?
@personalc0ffee said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
I don't know, let's ask Damien. He might know. Oh wait, they won't tell you because it gives bad actors a leg up to defeat it.
They have told us before it has anti-cheat. I imagine it is not client side.
I didn't know that.
So it should be more active, because being depending on reports of suspicious activity does not seem like a good method, since this will take the time for someone to investigate, and may or may not be a case of cheating@el-spaniardchi said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
Plus Hitreg kinda acts as a anticheat. Its existence makes it easier to see if someones cheating or not. There's always a sliver lining!
OK I'll bite, how?
@maironds88 said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
@personalc0ffee said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
I don't know, let's ask Damien. He might know. Oh wait, they won't tell you because it gives bad actors a leg up to defeat it.
They have told us before it has anti-cheat. I imagine it is not client side.
I didn't know that.
So it should be more active, because being depending on reports of suspicious activity does not seem like a good method, since this will take the time for someone to investigate, and may or may not be a case of cheatingJust record, report, and submit any suspected evidence.
@el-spaniardchi said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
Plus Hitreg kinda acts as a anticheat. Its existence makes it easier to see if someones cheating or not. There's always a sliver lining!
I didn't really understand how hitreg works as an anti cheat. For me it serves more to cover up a cheat, because you could not know if it is him acting or the effect of cheating
@personalc0ffee said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
@el-spaniardchi said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
Plus Hitreg kinda acts as a anticheat. Its existence makes it easier to see if someones cheating or not. There's always a sliver lining!
OK I'll bite, how?
@maironds88 said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
@personalc0ffee said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
Just record, report, and submit any suspected evidence.Surely the team receives several complaints, false or true, of this. But do they have time to check? That's the whole point
@personalc0ffee If someone fires their gun a ton of times at you and all their shots always damage you, never getting hit reg. Well, they might be cheating, since the even the best players will somtimes land shots on you, but they'll fail to register (and statisticly, at least 1 out of 10 shots should get hitreg). Of course this isn't the best method because you'd have to fight them for a while to obviously see they never get hitreg. Plus there are easier ways of telling, like if they snipe you from absurd distances multiple times. Or if they hit the same spot on the mast multiple times
@maironds88 said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
@personalc0ffee said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
@el-spaniardchi said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
Plus Hitreg kinda acts as a anticheat. Its existence makes it easier to see if someones cheating or not. There's always a sliver lining!
OK I'll bite, how?
@maironds88 said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
@personalc0ffee said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
Just record, report, and submit any suspected evidence.Surely the team receives several complaints, false or true, of this. But do they have time to check? That's the whole point
All reports are taken seriously and investigated by a real human on the team when you file a ticket on www.seaofthieves.com/support
This is a game that is an odd combination of requiring so much performance and strategy to consistently win high level fights and a skill gap so wide that the skilled crews in adventure would never really need cheats because of their individual performances against low skill crews
As a solo reaper that stays on one server for long amounts of time and produces heavily I've fought every type of hostile pirate. All the way to the tippy top and I wouldn't say cheating has a significant or noticeable impact.
There is no cheat that gets them to the performance that I've seen.
Aim bot and esp would only get someone so far.
The strategy and the angles and the coordination and moment by moment decision making is more than any cheat could do for themIs there cheating? probably
do I think in a game like this it changes much of anything at all? not reallySome people are incredibly skilled at everything in the game. Some people are incredibly skilled at one thing even if they aren't at other things.
Some people rely heavily on being so overpowered as a crew against certain other crews that the individual performance doesn't matter as much but still seems impressive in that given situation.I've been wrecked far more by obvious server issues than suspicious pvp activity and I've been in a whole lotta fights.
A lot of pvp in this game is heavily crewed fps lords popping pvers that largely don't want to fight and don't have the skills to so it's not like there is a whole lotta need for cheating
Sea of Thieves is a computer game. Programmers can create hacks that can cheat the game. Rare monitors the game and ban those who hack it. If you suspect foul play then record it and summit a support ticket for a cheating player
There are people have professional gaming computers with super fast internet. If they PvP, their shot on you can register faster than your system can. Some people are simply that good and can be mistaken for cheating. Some people simply call other players cheaters just because they lost to a better player. Either way, report it and Rare will monitor the recorded data to see if cheating occurred.
Players keep assuming the game has no anticheat because it doesn't seem to run something client side.
More than likely, they are using the same server side anticheat that Halo Infinite uses - machine learning AI. It's a slower method of anticheat but it does have the advantage of not being visible to cheat makers, making it harder for them to develop workarounds.
It's also still a very new technology but it will get better over time (like DLSS has) and reporting players is a good way to 1) direct enforcers to have a closer look, 2) help train the AI to detect further infringements.
That said, this is just an educated guess from me, based on what we know about a game from another Microsoft studio running on Azure servers. They may not be using that at all or using in combination with other detection methods.
Rare are very unlikely to confirm anything though, as others said, that would only show their hand.
@realstyli Correct matey!
The game uses a proprietary Xbox Live/Azure anti-cheat system... yes, it isn't the one you have seen in all the other games but it is the one used in all Xbox/MS games. It will as with all the other systems get better with community support in reporting any cheaters/bugs/glitches/exploits you may find out on the seas.
Only together can we stamp out cheating for good...
@musicmee said
Only together can we stamp out cheating for good...
And finally achieve world peace!
Ad aeternitatem
@maironds88 the game has an anticheat, will it be made public where, how and when it detects stuff ? Nope because as people have stated previously that would give the makers of cheating software a leg-up
So there is an anticheat, why do we still need to report suspicious behaviour? Welll the thing is, when a software dev make a cheating software it doesnt stop there usually, especially when its making them money the software grows and evolves over time (due to the devs work)
And thus anti cheat can and will be circumvented at some point again, then the anticheat gets made better, and thus we have the circle of life for (anti)cheat software
people deserve benefit of the doubt in general if there isn't a history of issues and since we only see each other 1 or a few times randomly at most in a majority of situations there isn't much context most of the time to make an accurate assessment
add on how buggy this game often is and that makes it even more difficult
I think a part of the problem is that loose accusations have been normalized not only on forums but also through popular streamer content
When they get accused everyone laughs it off but when they get dominated in combat all the sudden things are "sus" and "getting reported". Large audiences view this and their own frustrations and accusations are validated to them from it so it spreads more and more.
In most cases we have no idea if someone is cheating so there really isn't a strong reason to assume we do or act like we do.
What we do know is that everyone gets absolutely wrecked sometimes and people should be able to take what they give in that.@talvheet said in Why doesn't the game have an anti cheat?:
Then why reporting is such an hassle?
I dont record every play session.You can literally make clips or use shadow play. You do not need to be recording 24/7. Look into how to use clipping features for your devices.
To add to @personalc0ffee 's advice, the Xbox game bar by default has recording functionality built in too... which will allow you to always record the last X number of minutes at the push of a button.
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