Are gaming mice considered cheating?

Its no different than a Xbox Elite controller.

There are substantial differences between an xbox elite controller and a mouse or keyboard.

The elite is still a controller. Plain and simple. You can only remap buttons on the elite or change the stick with migher or lower values, like an acceleration curve or de acceleration curve. You cannot make or add or do any macros to my knowledge with the elite.

With a basic mouse and keyboard that support macros you are, if u choose to use them, effectively cheating. No matter how u try and sell it using marcos are against the user agreement to my best knowledge anyways.

You can have that quick barrel loot macro, the cutless macro, the double gun macro the loot run drop macro... Some slice the animations time some seem to remove it, and most definitely give you an unfair advantage.

I have no problems with someone who is quick with a controller or mouse but to have a programmable macro do the work for you isnt cool, and because its not supported, strengthens the argument even further.

Comparing supported hardware against the notion of cheating isn't the right comparison ither.

It would be like someone playing on an OG xbox with 30 fps at 1080p Vs a series X playing 120fps at 1080p, yes there are advantages in the latter but its within the supported hardware model.

This is like The FOV discussion. It's max at 90. If u change the FOV beyond that via editing files on the pc that's cheating.

Using supported hardware weather its the machine itself ie the console or Pc, or it's peripherals ie the Controller, mouse or keyboard to achieve the best possible experience within the games core agreement is the way its ment to be played.

Some have the best some have the minimum requirements. As long as there isn't any unsupported unfair advantage there shouldnt be any problems.

That would have been quicker, lol thanks wolfman!

@donny-b3ast you can totally macro the 4 extra triggers. That's what they're for, I've had one with custom controls for apex for years now.

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As somebody who cares about accessibility, I find blank statement of banning accounts using hardware or software as absolute disservice...

Seeing Rare mod posting this is even more disheartening .

I am sure thread will get locked its apparently easier than to answer questions.

Exactly my thoughts.

Yes, macros that are being used for cheesy exploits or whatever are bad (and should be a ban-able offense) but some people NEED macros for accessibility reasons so a blanket statement saying "No" is a disservice, in my opinion.

PS: I'm in no way supporting people misusing macros for an advantage, before anyone tries to argue that that is my point because it isn't.

We’re pirates there’s no such thing as cheating.

@lygushkia said in Are gaming mice considered cheating?:

@donny-b3ast you can totally macro the 4 extra triggers. That's what they're for, I've had one with custom controls for apex for years now.

Re mapping a button to a paddle is not a macro though. I'm talking a programed sequence of inputs made from only one button press, a macro. Unless I'm missing somthing from years of playing on an elite 1 and 2 controller.

Perhaps you could share what functions u get when u press a certain paddles, like I've used them for years on shooters but only to add button X to paddle 2 or button a to Paddle 1 etc I'm not sure if I'm just not understanding you or perhaps your understanding of a macro is different.

@donny-b3ast Oh then I'm good! I misunderstood what macro means I guess. I don't want a series of actions with one press, I want my F,1, and 2 keys mapped onto my mouse.

@lygushkia That's completely fine. Remapping keyboard buttons to your mouse buttons is not breaking any rule. I have food and push to talk on mine.

@earthbornbloom6 I would be careful where you say this, people will get the wrong idea that SoT isn't looking out for hackers, aimbotters and other such hacks (idk I don't use hacks) will start picking up the game and turn it into a situation like TF2's...

@lygushkia said in Are gaming mice considered cheating?:

@donny-b3ast Oh then I'm good! I misunderstood what macro means I guess. I don't want a series of actions with one press, I want my F,1, and 2 keys mapped onto my mouse.

Ah then it's settled my friends. Just a simple mis communication. Even on xbox elite I've mapped jump and action to my rear paddles. And within the Sot settings mapped Text chat and food to Up on the d pad and right stick click respectively.

@gallerine5582 said in Are gaming mice considered cheating?:

@earthbornbloom6 I would be careful where you say this, people will get the wrong idea that SoT isn't looking out for hackers, aimbotters and other such hacks (idk I don't use hacks) will start picking up the game and turn it into a situation like TF2's...

Tf2's cheating is so bad because there is no punishment for cheating yes your alt account gets banned so you make a new one

Since tf2 is free there is nothing that stops cheating in tf2

Cheat - get banned - make a new alt - cheat - rince and repeat

@jollyolsteamed True, that is a good point, free games suffer much worse...