Why Every PvE'er should join Reaper crews occassionally

  • Every great fight takes two great boxers.

    I think PvE'ers should take the time to look for crews on discord and join reaper crews occassionally. Maybe they will get a taste for pvp, but, more importantly, they will get an understanding of how they are hunted and how to counter.

    And as a self-proclaimed Reaper (does making about 200,000+ gold a haul 2x in a row qualify me yet?) I am up for the challenge of better Whales to Hunt.

    So by all means, PvP'ers..come check out what it's all about.

    Have fun. Make some gold. And maybe get the craving for blood and gold.

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  • @idneon

    I tried doing this in the past. Tried to take a bunch of PvE'ers hunting and it yielded some good results. I got a lot of players to enjoy PvP or at least learn how to defend themselves. It was really a good thing.

    It made me jaded though. After awhile I just couldn't do it anymore because I had to deal with the same mistakes over and over again.

    Not saying that they didn't learn, they did, but I just got so frustrated with how often I kept running into the same problem with every single rando crew. The last straw was when we sank a ship doing a fort, we got in position, everyone was happy. I told them to cycle players to keep a person onboard because the mermaid was still there.

    I'm on the island trying to give them some responsibility by giving them an important role of watching the boat. I died, spawn back on the boat and there was a guy, in the bottom deck, with a keg, standing RIGHT in front of me. I get out of dodge, barely survive the explosion and the guy watching the boat is just chilling in the crows and is not paying attention because he got bored so he got on his phone.

    After that I just finally realized that its not PvE'ers don't know WHAT to do, its that they don't WANT to do it.

    They don't want to have to protect their ship by watching the horizon, or staying on the boat being lookout. They don't want to do any of these things.

    Again, its not because they don't know or can't, they just don't want to most of the time.

  • @xultanis-dragon I wouldnt suggest it as a routine thing for one guy to train others haha. But they'll sprinkle in on other crews I'm sure. Unless a crew wants to lock out new players to sail with more experience which can always be announced.

    You're probably definitely right about them not wanting to. But that's a great point. As long as PvP community has open doors to learning the trade...the PvE'ers have no excuse.

    The hunt and chase is what makes this game great.

  • It's an interesting idea...but do you think the opposite is true? Should every PvP-focused player join a fishing trawler once in awhile? Maybe it will quiet their blood-craving and they will learn to enjoy the tranquility of the Seas...

    I certainly agree with you that learning some PvP skills is important for every pirate, but I don't think that necessarily means having to join a reaper crew.

  • @idneon

    Probably a good idea for those who want to defend their treasure.

    Not for me though. I'm too lazy.

    I'll stick to my lethargic approach.

  • I also thought about some pvpers do solely pve.
    Both extremes cause tons of problems within the community.

    I dont care for any side anymore.

    Thw only players i like are the pure pirate adventures who login, immerse and take what is there to have an unpredictable adventure.

    Everything else cause only problems.

  • @idneon said in Why Every PvE'er should join Reaper crews occassionally:

    I think PvE'ers should take the time to look for crews on discord and join reaper crews occassionally. Maybe they will get a taste for pvp, but, more importantly, they will get an understanding of how they are hunted and how to counter.

    Our super complex secret hunting strategies will NEVER be known! MWAHAHAHA

    Our strategy:

    Brig Pirate A: Yo bro I see a ship over there wanna go sink them?

    Brig Pirate B: Sure why not.

    Brig Pirate A: Oh, they dropped the sails, angle ours with the wind.

    Brig Pirate B: Okay.

    Brig Pirate A: They're just running into the red sea, chase them. They must have something good they don't want us to have.

    =====

    Sloop Pirate A: Noooo a ship is CoMiNg! Take our Silvered Cup back QuIcK!

    Sloop Pirate B: Yes master...

    Sloop Pirate A: Oh No! ThEy'Re GaInInG oN uS! gO tO tHe ReD sEa!!!

    Sloop Pirate B: Yes master...

    Sloop Pirate A: KeEp SaIlInG! i WiLl UsE tHe FoRuMs AnD cOmPlAiN aBoUt ThE 5 hOuRs We WaStEd.

    Later in the Forums:

    Sloop Pirate A: Why PvP should die and all hail PvE servers!!!

    Every Pirate: No.

  • @capt-soul-beard

    Because some do solely this others do solely that.

    Yin and Yang and everything mutually affects each other.

    The problem is playermade.
    It started with people hopping for PvP only and Forts.

    Rare made Forts more available, yet some logged in to solely do this or that and others react to this.

    If - and this is just utopian sadly - people would RP and have an adventure like it was advertised during alpha / beta by Mr. Chapman, if people would Roleplay a pirate adventure and branch out into all aspects of the game in a balanced way.
    This problems wouldnt exist!

    But gamers today are mostly overzealous, exagerating achievers, completionists or cyberbulls.

  • @bugaboo-bill said in Why Every PvE'er should join Reaper crews occassionally:

    But gamers today are mostly overzealous, exagerating achievers, completionists or cyberbulls.

    The only actual problem I see is when people complain about trash talking. (This has an easy solution, record last 30secs and report.)

    Other than that they tend to group all PvP people as just bad. PvP'er=Bad.

  • @capt-soul-beard

    Curious why that is?
    It's a generalization and all generalizations base on experience.
    So the experience of 2 extreme playstyles is what cause this.

    Every day a PvP complain, but also everyday a complain about pve Lords, carebears, cowards etc...

    I play videogames for over 30 years and online since late 90ies.

    It's the very old PvE versus PvP players.
    I was a PK in UO pre Trammel, but a roleplayer not a mindless murder hobo!

    One thing i have understood over the years.
    The pve player doesnt harm anyone. He's often a sour loser yes, also not acceptable, but - and there is evidence in this thread alone across the board (i mixed this up with another active thread, sorry) - this is caused by the emapthless, git gud stance from many (not all) pvpers who then make jokes about the pve players and are derogative and contemptuous all the time.
    Just read this thread, i have blocked most of them, so i cant quote.
    Noob is derogative for New player
    They get called cowards, pve Lords, sour losers, cannot play the game etc.
    It's the elitism of thst PvP group that has made up for this.
    It's the Adapt or Die aproach and to laugh about them, spawnkilling them to make them ragequit.

    Today people stream this and laugh about others, they record it and let others look like fools.
    All laugh, hahaha, see this cowards, see this noobs, hahaha see this inability.
    And people say it's Business as usual, nothing toxic about this.
    Well i will go out and brawl some others and then i laugh about them what bad irl fighter they are.
    Everybody would say i'm a toxic, brutal person, no?
    Hey they got out, expect to be contested, life is dangerous.
    But in videogames it's ok to make fun of others and show someone off?

    That is what people dont get.
    And Rare or MS know this, but they want money from everybody.
    Therefore all the pure PvE games got PvP modes.
    And today there is absolutely no pure PvE online game except some Coop games maybe.
    Everything has pve and pvp.
    And still some Studios try to bring both groups together.

    It worked until they did Arena and the game wasnt popular, but niche.
    With Streamers and Arena and popularity also the popularity to use DG, tuck, make fun about noobs, it went worse and worse.
    And it will become more worse.
    The Rocco Pace thing was just the start of it.
    It will divide further and it will become more ugly.
    And all this because of people gaming the system instead of playing the gsme regularly and having a fun comical pirate adventure roleplay.

  • i think its rare fault ,cause the game isnt balanced im not fast enough with 36 playing solo against 4 youngsters...i just play pvp when i play online games i never played a videogame where its so frustrating to lose like in sot....super enjoyable losing the loot after 2 hours ye i could sell constantly but its not fun....sot was so chill when it came out youcould decide i go to a fort having some fast paced pvp event or just doin voyages,no its tuckers seas is it fun for u seeing a reapers on the other end of the map,sail to him 20minutes(with no raised reapers flag).

  • @Bugaboo-Bill I think you are straying a little from the intention of this thread.

    I shouldn't speak for the OP (and @IDNeon please correct me if I am wrong), but I understand this thread to be a constructive effort by a pirate who enjoys pvp, offering an idea that might help pve-focused players - either help them enjoy the pvp-aspects of the game, or learn some skills that might make the game more enjoyable for their preferred play-style.

    I don't say you are wrong Pirate Bugaboo; I'm sure there are plenty of people who play this game and behave in ways they would never dare to irl. And the cost/benefit of idolizing streamers is definitely worth discussion. But I think it is also worth returning to the intent of this thread - how do we make SoT more fun for every pirate that sails the sea?

  • @ntraills i agree,

    @Xultanis-Dragon who i not always agree with, but who i respect a lot answered it and made examples.
    And this is the same thing i also experienced over the years playing sandbox pvp games.
    You cannot make a pve focussed player have fun sitting in thw crows nest watching horizon for 20 minutes.
    We have exactly that person in our crew sometimes, not realy, but of you put him there to watch the Horizon he fell asleep and we get caught in the act.
    Happened, all laughed and we already have a ton of jokes about him. The best one is: he's in our crows nest then he said i have the keg i will blow them up and he blowed US up 😀.
    He's legendary and allways good for some laughter. And sometimes he Mannes it to kill 4 people alone while on xbox and Controller fighting another crew that wasnt that bad.
    Ok anyway...
    What i also said is.
    Try to make some pure pvpers have fun doing pve only and do an alliance, not betray, but friendly and maybe even gift other people the loot you have done pve for.

    The games community has a problem.
    It's majority is extreme in this or that way and not playing for a roleplay pirate adventure with all aspects nothing focussed on.
    We have to much gamers who tweak their experiences by serverhopping want to do only this or that and arent ready and open to do this and that when it happens.

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