Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!

@fuggingene

By your logic, you would not cancel your credit cards when they are stolen. Very unwise. You will learn this after you graduate high school, eventually.

Not even remotely comparable. Side note I'm 28 thought that might be of interest since you seem to care about age. However, back on task. These aren't comparable because first, this is a video game with no repercussions. It costs someone nothing to get their loot stolen in a video game, of which, allows it to happen. I'm talking sportsmanship here. There exists things that happen in video games that people just deem scummy because its just anti-fun and not within the spirit of the game. Stealing in a video game is not on the same level as stealing in IRL. Your inability to distinguish either is a bigger problem at play here.

@bubah1z1 said in Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!:

@rikology said in Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!:

I just chased a sloop on my sloop for about 30mins.... I was gradually catching them due to better ship movements ect eventually I cornered them on the edge of the map and they just gave up and sailed all their loot and level 5 emissary into the shroud and they sunk themselves...

I could see their loot in the water but couldn't get to it as I kept getting TP'ed back to my ship!!

Stop this cowardly behaviour and the 'If I can't have it nobody can' mindset by spawning loot in the shroud at the edge of it where it is accessible!

This is griefing, and people shot not be able too.

What exactly was griefing?

I have only ever embraced that oldest and noblest of Pirate traditions, We must fight... To run away!

@bubah1z1 Oh ok. I thought you meant chasing a ship for thirty minutes was griefing lol.

I say it’s fine.

In my opinion it’s a way to punish players who do EXACTLY what you did.

YES it’s a pirate game and YES thievery is the name of the game. But as someone who experienced this A LOT as a solo slooper this can be extremely distressing. Being chased for god-knows how long by a ship that refuses to let up.

It may be cowardly but rarely is this ever used by people.

Without endless ocean to sail on, there is no "balanced" outcome in a ship chase. Even if the runner is a little better than the chaser, they will eventually be up against the edge of the map, and a solo slooper or a pair of sloopers are no match for a fully manned brig or galleon (again assuming equal skill level). Therefore, it's the one being chased who is at an unfair disadvantage.

Until they allow a wrap around continuous map, sailing into the shroud is a viable option.

Also consider this: Allowing a reaper emissary to take your flag (or even just kill you) brings them one step closer to knowing your location at all times for the rest of your server session. It becomes tactically sound to deny them that advantage by denying them your death, treasure and flag.

It may be annoying to chase a ship for a half hour and not take the prize, but it's equally annoying to be sidetracked from a voyage you may have been on for several hours while someone chases you.

@rikology said in Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!:

@dlchief58 Spoken like a true coward! Like I said, if thinking this makes you feel better than crack on buddy but you just sound pathetic :) if you think I lack any skills how about we 1v1? I succeeded in making them sink everything they had worked hard for and I enjoyed doing it, in fact I feel sorry for peoples like yourself who would rather run away with their tail in-between their legs than step up and fight! You will never be great with this attitude, it's sad...very sad indeed haha

Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. Fact is YOU lacked the skills to catch them thus did not deserve the treasure. You need to step up your game.

And you know nothing about me nor my playstyle. Just because I defended this action and have done so myself a COUPLE of times does in no way make me a coward so can the feeble insult attempts. I play the game as I feel - sometimes I am combative, others I will play more stealthy and avoid others depending on my goals I've set for the session. If I feel like taunting or denying what I feel are unworthy pirates, then that is my prerogative. And who is the better player - someone who engages in a losing battle or the one who recognizes they cannot win that battle but finds a way to deny victory to the attacker? The latter most definitely. So save your bro-dude chest beating, it most definitely isn't a good look.

If you can't catch me and secure my treasure then you are unworthy of it.

Obviously their loot wasn't worth the time they spent getting it. I dunno why people play the game when that's their attitude. If I'm spending time getting loot, I'm gonna fight because my time matters. I'm not gonna waste my time or yours by sailing off into the shroud.

Make no mistake, if someone sails into the shroud, THEY wasted your time and theirs.

@bubah1z1 said in Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!:

@combatxkitty
People sailing out of the map and dropping their loot so none can reach it.
Its a sad thing to see, you are griefing away the loot so none can get it.
You should not be able to do that..

Most definitely not griefing. If you are not good enough to secure the treasure before they reach the shroud then you are most definitely not worthy of it. There are no rules stating one has to fight or surrender that treasure, if they choose to make sure no one can get it then that is perfectly fine - the attackers need to step up their game if they want it. Same as there are no safe places for PvEers there are no hard boundaries for PvPers to box someone in on the map to force battle or surrender. Deal with it.

Git gud! I know it makes no sense and doesn't solve the issue but this is what everyone tells me about any issue I have.

How is being a coward?

This happened to me last night lol. Me and my friend we just reached PL so decided to take a night off from the usual and just mess with people. I know how troll of us but we admit we can be two lil trolls at times in games however we are nice trolls.

We decided we get chased by enough ships so why not be the chaser for once. So we were but we wernt planning on sinking anyone, actually we were going to give them treasure when we caught up. So there was a sloop and we caught up to them and we didnt shoot at them or anything actually I was holding a mermaid gem out but they freaked out and started to head into the koolaid. Well there they went off the map.

All in all was a fun night. We did end up sinking one sloop (sorry super slooper!, It was kind of an accident). Then we met up with a friendly Reaper Galleon and we rolled up on them decided hey lets sink them and they started shouting they were friendly and they actually were friendly, ummm someone may want to explain to them the Reaper faction.

I don't consider this to be much of an issue as it has been a rarity for the crew and I.

While a small minority of players will utilize the shroud to try and escape, even less will go straight for the barrier. We have had a handful attempt to reach the barrier with maybe 2 actually reaching it. If we know we can't catch them before the edge, backing off tends to get them feel they have a chance and they will work their way out of the shroud on their own.

Lore wise, it makes sense. The Devils Shroud is impassible apart from the one known route near Thieves Haven. It crushes ships the further they venture in, eventually destroying the vessel with no chance of survival. That is emulated in the game with how the Devils Shroud is implemented. You take damage and eventually reach a point of no return, nothing can be salvaged as nothing is meant to venture so far into the shroud and survive.

All that said, regardless of why people do it, I am fine with it being an option available to players.

Don't expect this to persuade anyone, just my thoughts on it.

@bubah1z1 Cowardly?! You probably had them outnumbered and they ran , that’s basic survival, ask the deer and antelope about flight - and to further the lesson to make it not worth your while, after pursuing for extended periods,”all over the map”, they deprive you of a reward. That makes them the winner.

I enjoy doing it. It is a game made to be played and enjoyed. Tools not rules, git gud, it’s a pirate game and all that.

@bubah1z1 Im telling you I and apparently many other’s do so for various reasons. Like many spawn kill for various reasons. To reiterate, Tools not rules.

@rikology said in Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!:

@captain-arcanic If you are getting chased by a brig or a galleon on a sloop then use 'dummy sails' and sail directly into the wind... You will easily outrun a galleon like this and you will also beat a brig but you won't make as much distance... Sail past floating barrels in the water and look for explosive kegs so grab and hit them with.... Anchor turns can also make a huge difference in these situations and even better if you can do it behind a rock where they can't see you so they are slower to react! hope some of these tips help

I appreciate the tips. be assured, on the occasions I choose to run, I use all of those, as well as speed-boosts from megs, running into storms and drive-by loot drops. but sometimes the other crew is just as wily, and you run out of sea—and turning with the wind is a quick route to combat when a skilled brig crew is on your tail. Other times I'd rather not waste precious game time in a drawn out chase. Like I said, denying Reapers my flag will keep them from knowing my position for that much longer.

@bubah1z1 you see, we all rationalize what we do. I don’t see a problem luring would be attacker’s on long chases for an anticlimactic end. I see it as a very pirate thing to do in denying my aggressors the loot.

@rikology we all know it’s the sea of thieves but it’s the nasty anti social attitudes that you exhibit in your comments that make it sometimes disheartening. Would chess have survived for as long if the winners exhibited such mean spiritedness in their game?

When a ship is seriously outnumbered and seriously damaged where is the fun in destroying the already defeated? That’s just bad sportsmanship and a sorry feature of the game. The loot that you steal after all is quite meaningless, the point is to enjoy time in game. But i suppose a few are magnanimous and plenty others, are just bullies.

I find it quite RARE and refreshing to encounter a considerate player but still i play because the game is beautiful, just wish the sailing were more realistic so that this skill would account for more. I enjoy “smuggling” in a solo sloop and it’s quite fun out running, out manoeuvreing bullies with a crew, material and ship advantage!

@bubah1z1 said in Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!:

@br0crastinat0r said in Stop players from sailing into the shroud by dropping their loot on the edge!:

@bubah1z1 you see, we all rationalize what we do. I don’t see a problem luring would be attacker’s on long chases for an anticlimactic end. I see it as a very pirate thing to do in denying my aggressors the loot.

I find it really disturbing to see how many people agree with you, but then again 90% of the players run away in this game when only about 10% are the aggressors

Does people running bother you?What should they do? Drop their anchors so slow pokes can catch up? Make it easy for people who are trying to rob them? I had two guys chasing me and my friend the other week, dropped our anchor for them like three times and they still couldn't catch up, not our problem. People can be fabulous at boarding a ship and hopping around like a bunny rabbit with a sword but if cant sail to catch your prey it kinda doesnt matter how good you are at combat.