Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!

@simplelyricc said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@jusey16842 you are missing the huge flaw in the plan. Many people including me would take the easy loot from forts and fleets ect pretty much making the game an easy cake walk as there is no contest. What would be the point in playing as you would be PL in a week of casual play and have most cosmetics in the game. This is a terrible idea which is why it has been shut down by the community.

Except you guys completely ignores the counter points, such as "It's already that easy since you can get very passive or empty servers", or "They could nerf or even remove some of the content in PvE servers to discourage this", or buff PvE enemies to actually target your ships more often at Fort, and any combination of what I've said.

There are many options available to avoid this issue which isn't really a true issue because reaching PL is baby easy already without the requirement to do forts and fleets to begin with. Yes, forts and fleets are faster but you can easily get to PL just by simply playing the game and ignoring all PvP activities... Not that hard. PL itself is just a weak title and I don't see why it would matter to get it quickly or not. Same thing with gold and blues... Not that hard to get rich in this game.

And even if this problem does happen... It would be very small compare to the big problem that they can fix by having PvE servers and allow Sea of Thieves to gain more attraction, more profits, etc.

You really think that it is more important to keep the game "harder" than opening up the game to more players and to increase ACTIVE player counts and income? I personally don't think so. I think that the game would get a lot of benefits from having a separate PvE mode, than it does without it. The pros of having more active players and more potential income for the game (which should help development) should outweigh the con which you are speaking about.

@simplelyricc said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@jusey16842 you are missing the huge flaw in the plan. Many people including me would take the easy loot from forts and fleets ect pretty much making the game an easy cake walk as there is no contest. What would be the point in playing as you would be PL in a week of casual play and have most cosmetics in the game. This is a terrible idea which is why it has been shut down by the community.

Seriously. People would go farm in PVE, then show up in PVEVP to troll around without a care. This would simply exacerbate the behavior that Jusey is complaining about.

Why would people take the risk of doing a high-paying voyage like a gilded athena, or try big events like FoTD in regular mode, when they could ensure themselves a safe-space to grind without any real threat? Forget doing athena heists, those voyages would be done cozily in the comfort of a nice little PVE shelter without any chances of losing.

There is a balance between PVE and PVP. The whole game revolves around it, around the concept of risk vs reward, of unpredictable adventures and the stories they bring. The devs mentioned in the past they don't want player to farm without risk. If anything, private servers might see the light of day someday but it will be for community events and will most likely not include any form of progression.

Again, there are PVP games for people who crave competition and like fighting other human beings, and there are PVE games that exists as well for players who want to do their things in their corner without interacting with others. That's fine, to each their own. This game is a mix of both and is pretty unique for it. People who don't like the mix can always find something else that will suit their needs.

@jusey16842 said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

And even if this problem does happen... It would be very small compare to the big problem that they can fix by having PvE servers and allow Sea of Thieves to gain more attraction, more profits, etc.

You really think that it is more important to keep the game "harder" than opening up the game to more players and to increase ACTIVE player counts and income? I personally don't think so. I think that the game would get a lot of benefits from having a separate PvE mode, than it does without it. The pros of having more active players and more potential income for the game (which should help development) should outweigh the con which you are speaking about.

I for one don't think Rare should sell out and betray their game's vision to satisfy a fringe of players who don't even appreciate the game in it's current form and for what it is supposed to be in the first place.

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

I for one don't think Rare should sell out and betray their game's vision to satisfy a fringe of players who don't even appreciate the game in it's current form and for what it is supposed to be in the first place.

I appreciate the game in it's current form and for what it is SUPPOSED to be. But again, not all PvPers are like that either and don't even play like proper pirates. Some of them have no brain and just wants to attack for the sake of doing so, because the "satisfaction" of "sinking" any ship is good, even though I usually just scuttle or ignore them because I wanted to do a commendation, not have loot. (Since scuttling ensures that they can't get any resources from me). Sadly, there is no way of dealing with these kinds of players that are ruining the experience, unless Rare wants to make it a reportable offense which I am highly against the idea of... I don't mind fighting if I have loot, I don't mind fighting at Forts, fighting at fleets, and so on. I don't mind having PvP when it is valid and makes sense to PvP. What I don't like are people doing it just to make others angry and thus I would rather have no PvP than have the small chance of meeting these really terrible people.

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

Why would people take the risk of doing a high-paying voyage like a gilded athena, or try big events like FoTD in regular mode, when they could ensure themselves a safe-space to grind without any real threat? Forget doing athena heists, those voyages would be done cozily in the comfort of a nice little PVE shelter without any chances of losing.

There is a balance between PVE and PVP. The whole game revolves around it, around the concept of risk vs reward, of unpredictable adventures and the stories they bring. The devs mentioned in the past they don't want player to farm without risk. If anything, private servers might see the light of day someday but it will be for community events and will most likely not include any form of progression.

I did forgot to mention that the biggest way to fix this comfort zone problem is honestly just have separate progression systems between the two modes with an ONE TIME OPTION to move your progression from Adventure to the new PvE mode (meaning you completely restart in Adventure instead of completely restarting in PvE mode).

And still have Forts, Fleets, Reapers, etc disabled too on top of that... So that PvE servers are most focus on story content and freely adventuring than on rep/gold grinding.

@ll5-zombies-935 said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

but some people don't like grinding for hours on the gilded voyages and then all of a sudden I'm just going to take all your loot...

I mean... It is your fault for not making regular stops at an Outpost or Sea Post. No offense man but if you're obviously doing a very long voyage and have A LOT OF LOOT, then ye'h... You are asking for a PvP to attack you since that should be the main purpose of PvP in this game: to steal loot.

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

This would simply exacerbate the behavior that Jusey is complaining about.

I forgot to respond to this in my last post, and I apologize for that. I wanted to point out that sure, you are possibly correct here but the players whom are left on the main servers would be PvP players to some degree... This wouldn't be as bad as it is now currently and we would see a good massive increase in PvP combat on the open seas on the main servers. The trolling behavior would also have a higher chance of backfiring since their targets would no longer be PvE only players...

Which I think would be a good win-win situation for a lot of us.

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@jusey16842 said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

I for one don't think Rare should sell out and betray their game's vision to satisfy a fringe of players who don't even appreciate the game in it's current form and for what it is supposed to be in the first place.

I lost my trust in Rare. It seemed like they catered to others alot. Why does the community have to defend their vision constantly? I Wish they would lay it out there for everyone to hear and we could just point towards their way ahead.

@jusey16842 said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

This would simply exacerbate the behavior that Jusey is complaining about.

I forgot to respond to this in my last post, and I apologize for that. I wanted to point out that sure, you are possibly correct here but the players whom are left on the main servers would be PvP players to some degree... This wouldn't be as bad as it is now currently and we would see a good massive increase in PvP combat on the open seas on the main servers. The trolling behavior would also have a higher chance of backfiring since their targets would no longer be PvE only players...

Which I think would be a good win-win situation for a lot of us.

It's only a win situation for those who don't want to defend themselves, and a loss for those who enjoy the variety of player types on the sea and a diversity in types of encounters.

But I guess as long as you get your single player version of the game, you probably couldn't care less about what goes on in the main game. 🤷‍♂️

@d-jaguar said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@jusey16842 said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

I for one don't think Rare should sell out and betray their game's vision to satisfy a fringe of players who don't even appreciate the game in it's current form and for what it is supposed to be in the first place.

I lost my trust in Rare. It seemed like they catered to others alot. Why does the community have to defend their vision constantly? I Wish they would lay it out there for everyone to hear and we could just point towards their way ahead.

We'll see I guess. Maybe they will (or have) learn that changing their game for small minorities of players might not be the best time/money investment for the return of players, especially if it would drive more away than back? Catering to a small crowd without affecting the majority too much is different than catering to a small crowd and ruining the experience for the whole playerbase. Hopefully they realise the difference.

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

It's only a win situation for those who don't want to defend themselves, and a loss for those who enjoy the variety of player types on the sea and a diversity in types of encounters.

I consider it a win for everybody because here's the thing. The players who will switch over to PvE servers are the ones that runs away from any player or just scuttle themselves, or are prey to actual PvP problematic players. For the most part. Yes, some variety will be lost in the main servers but not all of it.

If you want to keep all of the variety, then we would need a very awful safety system in place to fix the problem that the game has, or else players will be discourage from even playing and enjoying the game, or even hating the game simply due to a section of players who just have no respect... And I personally do not want any awful systems to fix this problem, nor do I want to make the problem itself a reportable offense.

So, the only true way to fix the problem is by having an optional side mode for those players and that's about it. Unless you can suggest a fix for a community problem, then go ahead.

@bloodybil said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

But I guess as long as you get your single player version of the game, you probably couldn't care less about what goes on in the main game. 🤷‍♂️

1. I don't want to play singleplayer. I just want to be playing with decent players.

2. I do want the main game to still be good because I will still play it sometimes when I want to PvP. I'm not completely against PvP.

@simplelyricc said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

pretty much the "problems" you are referring to aren't problems they are mechanics getting Sunk and PvP are all part of the game and meant to mix with PvE so the only thing making it a problem is yourself

You're just confused on what I am saying. Can't help you much here because it will be me repeating myself: I don't have a problem with PvP in general, I have a problem with terrible human beings who aren't playing as pirates but rather just being bullies and wasting my time while I'm trying to do commendations or peaceful things, even after I gave them my useless loot on a rowboat (which they ignore and I usually sail back to pick up again).

Guess what, I am uninstalling this game again.

@whattdatmouthdo It will never happen. You paid for a game called Sea of Thieves so people will try to steal your loot. If your being attacked try fighting back instead of crying about it on the forums.

@jusey1z said

I don't have a problem with PvP in general, I have a problem with terrible human beings who aren't playing as pirates but rather just being bullies and wasting my time while I'm trying to do commendations or peaceful things, even after I gave them my useless loot on a rowboat (which they ignore and I usually sail back to pick up again).

Do you honestly think these people who just play to ruin the experience of others will stay away from a PvE server?

I actually think they are chomping at the bit for a PvE only server, since players would essentially be giving up their ability to fight back and nothing else. Griefers will still be able to troll and harass others, I guarantee they will find ways.

@whattdatmouthdo are you aware you can opt out from pc players lol but really no we don't need a passive mode because you need to get better and it's a pirate game idk what game you're playing

@x5h3ar3rx said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@phantaxus said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@whattdatmouthdo Where is the fun in that? Its not your loot until you hand it in.

Just for the record I am no fan of PvP but I have still turned over enough loot to own just about every cosmetic and be heading towards 10 million in the bank. So it can be done.

Turn in often
Don't put down rare voyages (Gilded Athena) until you are sure you are on a friendly server.
If you are on a toxic server, leave. Or sink them till they leave
Use the alliance flag and if you are in an alliance make sure you turn something in on a regular basis, People who keep getting paid rarely quit or turn toxic.
If you are in an alliance you can still fly the offer alliance flag to pick up other crews who might not be in your alliance.
Always try to have someone who is good/enjoys PvP on your crew.

The way you use the word "toxic" IS toxic! 🙈 I think the word you are looking for is "spicy"

that's not the word he's looking for

@Quartermasters and @Deckhands please drop anchor on this will get toxic for no reason

Yup this type of post just ignites the world. It's completely illogical too, it's not so much of providing a new idea or feedback as it is about a player being salty over the loss and just wanting to selfishly change the game to his wants and desires. @Deckhands

@bactatankbill said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

Do you honestly think these people who just play to ruin the experience of others will stay away from a PvE server?

I actually think they are chomping at the bit for a PvE only server, since players would essentially be giving up their ability to fight back and nothing else. Griefers will still be able to troll and harass others, I guarantee they will find ways.

It would actually be easier to ignore them and defend ourselves if they can't do any damage to us or our ship... The only thing they could do to hurt us is steal loot that we just dug up or something like that, which is no big deal.

Since they can't cause any pain to us directly anymore, they would eventually just get bored and go back to the main servers. These terrible people do what they do because they like hearing their victims cry and be upset. When they can't do that anymore and are easily ignore-able... They'll most likely lose interest.

Sure, some will keep trying and fail miserably usually or even help the player that they're trying to bully.

@galactic-geek said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

Well whattaya know! Somebody gets it! 😁

I think a lot of people gets this. It's just that some people, including myself, find PvP in this game to be very boring. Especially ship to ship combat (I honestly hate Skeleton Fleets and Galleons due to how boring but still very true to the spirit that ship to ship combat. I don't mind Skeleton Sloops as they sink quickly). Though, they are very boring due to how tedious they are.

I personally agree with the statement in general actually. Just, there is more context to what is going on here than just that.

I love Sea of Thieves as it is. I am primarily a PvE player, and I frequently run when attacked by a PvP crew. However, I consider PvP an essential part of the game. It would not be Sea of Thieves without the thieves.

That being said: I would like Rare to implement private servers too; just to get these threads off the forums.

I would merely beg that anyone that wants to play on a private (Adventure) server must create a separate character to do so, which is never allowed into the "real" game to mix with "real" pirates. Nor should that character be allowed to play in the Arena. No gold, doubloons, commendations, weapon or ship skins or cosmetics should be transferable between private and public servers. Playing on a private server should not earn you XBox Achievements.

If people want to play Adventure in private, let them. It would be good for Rare because it would create and sustain more players (= buyers) of the game. Just don't let "privateers" show off in public.

@jusey1z said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

@bactatankbill said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

Do you honestly think these people who just play to ruin the experience of others will stay away from a PvE server?

I actually think they are chomping at the bit for a PvE only server, since players would essentially be giving up their ability to fight back and nothing else. Griefers will still be able to troll and harass others, I guarantee they will find ways.

It would actually be easier to ignore them and defend ourselves if they can't do any damage to us or our ship... The only thing they could do to hurt us is steal loot that we just dug up or something like that, which is no big deal.

Since they can't cause any pain to us directly anymore, they would eventually just get bored and go back to the main servers. These terrible people do what they do because they like hearing their victims cry and be upset. When they can't do that anymore and are easily ignore-able... They'll most likely lose interest.

Sure, some will keep trying and fail miserably usually or even help the player that they're trying to bully.

This is quite a lot of assumption. What's stopping a group of griefers from dropping your anchor and grabbing it, preventing it from ever being raised again? Or grabbing the wheel and turning the boat into an island, then body-blocking the hole until you sink? Or waiting until you get a kraken or skelly ship spawn, then jumping on your cannons, preventing you from using them? The list of troll actions is practically endless, and I'm not even the type of person who would do these things... I can't even imagine the worst of what these people will do once their victims have no way of getting rid of them.

@bactatankbill said in Add a Passive mode...tired of being attacked!:

This is quite a lot of assumption. What's stopping a group of griefers from dropping your anchor and grabbing it, preventing it from ever being raised again? Or grabbing the wheel and turning the boat into an island, then body-blocking the hole until you sink? Or waiting until you get a kraken or skelly ship spawn, then jumping on your cannons, preventing you from using them? The list of troll actions is practically endless, and I'm not even the type of person who would do these things... I can't even imagine the worst of what these people will do once their victims have no way of getting rid of them.

Code. Scripts. Whatever you want to call it. They already have a script in-game that disables the player's access to another interact-able object that is owned by a different crew... Just apply it to ships in a PvE mode. This includes the ladder, anchor, cannons, etc. And even loot since the game has enough coding to label loot as owned the moment a player picks it up (this is how the stealing related commendations work. Loot gets labeled as owned the moment you pick it up).

Oh and before you ask about the script I mention before hand... It's on pets. I figured this out while I was 'adopted' onto a friendly Galleon crew (long story). I couldn't pick up the pet that one of them had out, even though I was in an alliance with them.