@usualbarley8154 yeah. salt.. i don't have any worries bout playing with PC only session until there are ships on the seas.

There are console players [mod edit] with moaning and crying since release about everything from cheats through M&K advantage (while they can play with M&K) to higher FPS on PC.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells I know, I know, even when the clear reality of how this played out is in front of you, you still think paying for gold is about the "free" games, lol.

So if you cant prove me wrong, at best all you have is a difference of opinion and a disagreement.

So much for me avoiding debate... oh wait lol.

I have proven you wrong, what's more, Rare has. Nobody can make you accept the reality of it, however, only you can can do that.

You really haven't, all you've done is say to the effect of "you're wrong" without any real substance behind it. But whatever makes you feel better buddy.

Have a bronze star though for pseudo psychology attempt lol.

Like I said, at best all you have is a disagreement with my opinion.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells I know, I know, even when the clear reality of how this played out is in front of you, you still think paying for gold is about the "free" games, lol.

So if you cant prove me wrong, at best all you have is a difference of opinion and a disagreement.

So much for me avoiding debate... oh wait lol.

I have proven you wrong, what's more, Rare has. Nobody can make you accept the reality of it, however, only you can can do that.

You really haven't, all you've done is say to the effect of "you're wrong" without any real substance behind it. But whatever makes you feel better buddy.

Have a bronze star though for pseudo psychology attempt lol.

Liken I said, at best all you have is a disagreement with my opinion.

You can say that all you like, but really its just some head in the sand behavior, guy. It shook out like it did for a reason despite all of your best and most dishonest efforts. Its on you to accept the reality of it. The way it shook out, it proves you were always wrong, I get thats hard to swallow, but you'll never move forward until you do.

Oh right, so because you cant debate with anything more than "you're wrong" you've turned to character assassination.

You must really like rebuttals, because I'm just going to reinforce that all you have is a disagreement on my opinion, everytime.

Now that my friend is the reality.

@cokney-charmer whilst we may stand on different sides of the fence, I agree, close it.

I'm always up for debate, and have had some really good discussions with the "opposotion" recently so to speak.

This thread is not one of them lol.

As a controller player on PC, I would love this option...

... but... being realistic, it wouldn't work. I just don't think there are enough of us to support a divide and Xbox One players are not going to stop complaining if we are put in with their controller players...

Pirate Lord help them when the Series X comes out with all the perceived benefits of PC as-standard.

@realstyli the pirate lord approves of thee lol.

This is why I think input based matchmaking maintaining cross play would instead be the superior call here, especially for the long term.

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli the pirate lord approves of thee lol.

This is why I think input based matchmaking maintaining cross play would instead be the superior call here, especially for the long term.

I totally agree, it would be a better solution in the long term... I guess we'll find out in about 11 months how they deal with Series X players, whether they bypass this opt-out or are considered part of the cross-play pool.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@cotu42

Wrong. you pay for windows 10 to have an operating system on the computer, lol. MS does not charge you anything to use it in MS games online. You can continue to insist all day that you pay to play online but you really don't and thats really why this has shaken out the way it has.

Its amazing how even in the face of how this has come out yall still dont get this.

No, I bought Windows 10 to gain access to the xbox live environment. Windows 7 is still very popular and working OS, which I already owned and I dont need to pay for an OS, I can just get Ubuntu for free if I want. The advantage of an open system is that Microsoft has competition and gave us a deal; are you a gamer? Are you interested in joining the xbox live community, buy windows 10 and get access.

You claim that your gold subscription should offer you extras, while you are just paying to connect to the live environment, the free games that come with it and that is all. While at the same time you deny people with that subscription the same choice, because they plug in a different extension, officially supported by Microsoft into their microsoft branded machine? They paid Microsoft for the machine, extension and the gold subscriptio... according to your logic they should be given more not less.

Your argument holds no ground, does not make sense. You are the one that doesn't understand that controller vs mouse and keyboard has nothing to do with your gold subscription.

We are all in the xbox live environment and input model opt out is a game balance option. Any option that is regarding balance should be offered to all pirates. We are all equals, that is what the pirate code states.

Want a xbox gold subscription hat, be my guest... but game balance option isn't something you should have exclusive rights to. Pay to Win mechanics are far from equal treatment.

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli the pirate lord approves of thee lol.

This is why I think input based matchmaking maintaining cross play would instead be the superior call here, especially for the long term.

I totally agree, it would be a better solution in the long term... I guess we'll find out in about 11 months how they deal with Series X players, whether they bypass this opt-out or are considered part of the cross-play pool.

I dont see how though, unless there is a separate build / series x version of SOT, but even then the original xbox one build that includes this preference will still be available to series x users via the backwards compatibility along side a separate series x build.

Do you see what I mean?

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli

The Series X argument just feels a bit like sour grapes to me.

Not sour grapes, it's an actual consideration and based on countless threads on the forum from console players about the advantages of PC players.

Whenever a PC controller player brings up that they don't even use a K&M on PC, they go to the SSD and frame-rate arguments. They may be valid concerns, I'm not saying they're not, but both of those issues will likely be negated on the Series X.

Personally I wont need any help from the pirate lord, I'll be playing on my Series X. I'll still be paying to play online like the rest of the console players, and I'll still be using controller, and i'll still be not cheating, not exploiting, as is more common among console players than those who are not.

Cheats are not as common as is made out, I'm not going to say it's 0% but I've never met one that can't be explained by other means, such as glitches and exploits in the game (it's not exactly the most stable game) rather than using other software. If you watch enough streams from some of the top players in the game, you get to know what is actually possible in this game without external cheats.

As for paying to play online, I am wondering if Microsoft will drop that requirement (at least in some games which are cross-play) as that is an out-dated idea... Even though I mainly play on PC, I do still have my old Day One Xbox One and pay for Gold, just to hold onto my library of Games with Gold to dip into every now and then.

I don't think anyone will have a problem with me being on the Xbox server.

We'll just have to wait and see about that when the time comes.

@inboundbomb said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@cotu42 Couple of questions..... You paid $150 for Win 10 and purchased the game itself for $70ish? Does this gives you access to xbox live and all the games that come out for the xbox…. even the free ones to be played on your computer? (360 titles included) I'm just curious, thanks.

It gives you the right to access any of the xbox play anywhere titles, if you own the rights to play the game either by purchasing the game; as I did for 70 bucks or by getting the xbox pass, monthly subscription.

Xbox still has exclusive games, which will explicitly mentioned, older games are not by definition compatible with the xbox play anywhere model that Microsoft is adapting new tech and all that, so no I still have to boot up my 360 for some games.

Yet, yes moving forward many of the games on xbox will be able to be played on a windows 10 PC. Microsoft is adapting and trying to get more of the PC market into their xbox live environment. They want to be more a brand for gamers everywhere not just their own hardware. Sea of Thieves was supposed to be their flagship, yet... they are not willing to commit by the looks of it.

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli the pirate lord approves of thee lol.

This is why I think input based matchmaking maintaining cross play would instead be the superior call here, especially for the long term.

I totally agree, it would be a better solution in the long term... I guess we'll find out in about 11 months how they deal with Series X players, whether they bypass this opt-out or are considered part of the cross-play pool.

I dont see how though, unless there is a separate build / series x version of SOT, but even then the original xbox one build that includes this preference will still be available to series x users via the backwards compatibility along side a separate series x build.

Do you see what I mean?

I think they'd still be able to divide based on platform if they needed to, even if it's running the same version of the game in backwards compatibility. The question is whether that's what they'll do or not.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli the pirate lord approves of thee lol.

This is why I think input based matchmaking maintaining cross play would instead be the superior call here, especially for the long term.

I totally agree, it would be a better solution in the long term... I guess we'll find out in about 11 months how they deal with Series X players, whether they bypass this opt-out or are considered part of the cross-play pool.

I dont see how though, unless there is a separate build / series x version of SOT, but even then the original xbox one build that includes this preference will still be available to series x users via the backwards compatibility along side a separate series x build.

Do you see what I mean?

We all do, what you're not seeing is that a Series X doesn't come with a PC player attached lol.

And yet the hardware boost of the series x will give you benefits over xbox one users, without being patched in either.

Are you suggesting a advantage is fine just as long you paid for it?

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli the pirate lord approves of thee lol.

This is why I think input based matchmaking maintaining cross play would instead be the superior call here, especially for the long term.

I totally agree, it would be a better solution in the long term... I guess we'll find out in about 11 months how they deal with Series X players, whether they bypass this opt-out or are considered part of the cross-play pool.

I dont see how though, unless there is a separate build / series x version of SOT, but even then the original xbox one build that includes this preference will still be available to series x users via the backwards compatibility along side a separate series x build.

Do you see what I mean?

I think they'd still be able to divide based on platform if they needed to, even if it's running the same version of the game in backwards compatibility. The question is whether that's what they'll do or not.

I highly doubt it.

@troubled-cells

I suspect you are correct... so we've got those threads to look forward to

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells

I suspect you are correct... so we've got those threads to look forward to

We certainly have, like I've said foresight and hypocrisy.

So now it's going to morph in to "but muh advantage is fine because I paid four muh gawld"

Isnt that essentially a form of pay to win? Lol

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells

I suspect you are correct... so we've got those threads to look forward to

... yet the xbox fans will own the Scarlett and now will claim that they earn it because they paid for it. Look at those claiming xbox gold subscriptions should mean game balance options should be behind that pay wall.

No way it will be an outrage.

@cotu42 thanks for the info

@triheadedmonkey said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

As a final friendly reminder to EVERYONE....

Please avoid engaging in personal arguments and derailing the topic of the thread. It is fine to debate the content of the post, and the viewpoints therein, but disrespecting any of your fellow pirates personally is against the pirate code, and our forum rules.

Can I ask..

With these threads often getting heated, and the amount of genuine concerns and questions either side of the debate has that are unanswered.

Surely it would help ease the tensions in these threads if representatives of the team came here to address some of those questions within their own community forums?

Im sure you guys are tired of seeing the same old situations, as well as the users participating feeling like they are going around in circles within these threads.

@troubled-cells Don't think the mods can do that much about it. After all, most of them (if not all) do this without being employed by RARE (correct me if I'm wrong) - so I just assume that they don't really have any power to tell someone from the team, be it a dev or a spokesperson, to come to the forums and preach.

I would love to have an official come here and answer some of the burning questions and I'm pretty sure that this would help at least a tad with getting less heat into this place. But I don't really see this happening anytime soon.

@l4chsfps directly I agree, they probably can't, but i suspect that if the concern is there and a sensible one, that it could at least get relayed up to whomever deals with the mods here, and so on and so on until the person at rare that needs to hear this, hears it.

@needsmokes said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells

The concerns with all these crossplay threads have all been answered.
Opt out for adventure is arriving on the 15th.

What more do you need to know?

Get me a rare representative here and I will fire away.

Please feel free to add any you may have yourself.

@needsmokes Have they?

So then how will this impact the PC gameplay experience?

Is the PC playerbase strong enough to be able to present the same experience as before?

Does RARE have a backup plan in case opt-out doesn't bring the desired effect (regarding both platforms)?

What is the reason for disregarding the community's idea to make opt-out input-based?

etc. etc. etc.

@musicmee said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@troubled-cells Ahoy matey!

While we do not have the power to force the developers into here we are in close contact with the developers through certain means and channels.

I expected that to be the case.

I am not sure we have spotted anything that needs a developer reply specifically yet but we are passing on feedback where we can. If you feel a response is needed, feel free to ping me and I will pass the message on.

Firstly I have a few questions that I am certain many members here would like to see direct answers or thoughts on directly from the team.

I will DM you soon about these.

Secondly, my other concern is the approach being taken towards interacting with the community.

I think it would be fair to say this approach hasn't exactly helped matters within this particular topic for the community, for example the number of locked threads and user bans etc combined with the lack of direct interaction from the team answering user questions and thoughts hasn't exactly been reassuring.

With this in mind i would suggest that a degree of accountability is to be had from rare, and that they can handle this much better, and if there is anyway we can get this across to improve forum relations with their own community?

I feel, and I suspect others do as well that this is a fair comment.

@UsualBarley8154

I pay for Xbox live on my Xbox One S, however, I play SoT on my PC using controller (because my PC has an SSD and my Xbox doesn't) and would love to be in a controller only environment.

Based on your argument, where do I fit in? My experience will only be worse now because I'll only ever be in mixed servers, despite the fact I pay for Xbox live, which is what your argument claims is meant to make it fair. We pay for the same thing, we use the same input method, but you get something I don't. Why am I being discriminated against just because I chose better hardware on a Microsoft based OS?

Crossplay opt-out should have 100% been input based, not platform based.