Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.

  • xZiRaider
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    Here what Rare is saying 10 million probably with game pass, how many came with a console and etc. Looking into official discord for SoT they have normally max of 20 parties of 4, let sake for the sake of easy math 20/2= 10 so you have maybe at any giving time 10 ships on pc doing arena. If you count private discords which many discords that are private have no more then 5 parties. Rare wants us to turn a blind eye to cross play make it feel like we shouldn't worry about player base as many pc players do. So AGAIN rare calming cross play wont affect pc players is lie, and again killing this game for the pc player base.

    Look at the achievements on Xbox if you take Rares claim of 10m. We already know that the Xbox community is way higher then pc.

    The achievement "Now bring me that horizon" set sail for the first time 66% has completed this 6.5m players

    "Full Billow" sailed with full wind 42% 4.2m players

    "Self Entitled" own 10 titles 8% 800k players

    "The Shroudbreaker" 8% 800k players

    So if you say 800k player base how many of these players are pc 30%? So we get the shaft on finding adventure mode games that have players now. We already have to wait sometimes 40mins for arena matches

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  • UltmateRagnarok
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    @xziraider

    There are so many LGF systems, though. The official XBox one tends to sit around 150-200, and there are thousands of them scattered about on Discord and other sites. This forum even has an LFG system, you can't really count all of them. Rare is the only one who knows truly how many people are playing, they're the most legitimate source we have. As for Arena wait times, it's broken and not merging open crews, which prevents the starting of it, as well as what may be a few other glitches, and the population that plays it over Adventure is spread across many regions.

  • xZiRaider
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    @ultmateragnarok Even so I really don't see it most communities are dying if not dead already, most of the hardcore scene anyway. I know there are many communities, most of the ones that are surviving are ones based around forming alliances and taking over servers, because they are to scared to lose their loot.

  • UltmateRagnarok
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    @xziraider

    'Most communities' is a very bold claim, given that you likely don't know all of them. And even if some smaller ones die out, the bigger ones continue to grow and other smaller ones will form again. The game has a healthy playerbase, and it's not dying, despite what some people might say to push their own agendas.

  • GreenCamillion1
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    Just saw the article, never said anything about having a 10mil playerbase, but since launch, 10 mil have played there game.

    Rare dont get anything out of giving the nr. on how many playes they game have.

  • CPTFatSparow594
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    well if they had fixed the double gun and people stopped exploiting maybe the community wouldnt be split, i for one cant wait till they do xbox only lobbies, pc players and streamers are making the game more toxic by the day and rare are supporting it giving everyone tucking stuff. Once enough people get looted the player base will slowly go down

  • BlazeDrake100
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    @ultmateragnarok said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    @xziraider

    There are so many LGF systems, though. The official XBox one tends to sit around 150-200, and there are thousands of them scattered about on Discord and other sites. This forum even has an LFG system, you can't really count all of them. Rare is the only one who knows truly how many people are playing, they're the most legitimate source we have. As for Arena wait times, it's broken and not merging open crews, which prevents the starting of it, as well as what may be a few other glitches, and the population that plays it over Adventure is spread across many regions.

    I doubt the opt out is helping with load times. We'll have to see when/if rare fixes the other issues for matchmaking.

  • JJblackhat
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    Sounds like PC player excuses over losing advantages in cross play. This game is healthy enough to continue to provide new content- furthermore more console players who had previously left are returning cus they are not forced to play with disadvantage to pc players. Smartest move by Rare yet.

  • UltmateRagnarok
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    @jjblackhat

    They had their own advantages, they just never bothered to find them. They're still going to lose sometimes, though, because having a M&K doesn't make you immortal or do more damage.

  • BlazeDrake100
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    @JJblackhat
    The advantages are actually really small. Just look in the other threads for why

  • JJblackhat
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    @blazedrake100 said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    @JJblackhat
    The advantages are actually really small. Just look in the other threads for why

    Yea no thanks. The advantages are huge as I have seen them first hand. Enjoy equal playing grounds I know I will

  • CallMeBackdrafT
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    @xziraider you know that this is public information given by a part of a publicly traded company which can and will influence investments and share prices...

    Which lying about such numbers would be highly illegal...

    As an example see how much trouble elon musk got into by a simple tweet (law suits all over)

  • UltmateRagnarok
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    @jjblackhat

    The advantages are fairly large. There are two of them: The advantage that M&K users have with gunplay, mostly excluding the blunderbuss due to its uses; and the advantage that controller users have with ship controls. This means that with two equally skilled crews, one using controllers and one using M&Ks, with no external factors (resource count, crew size, PvE events, etc), the controller crew would win if they repelled all boarders and kept the battle to ship combat, as their own advantage coupled with the temporary loss of a crew member on the M&K side would give them a victory. If the M&K player does board, and doesn't die to being outnumbered by enemies which are pre-positioned and can respawn while they are bottlenecked at the ladder, then they would gain an advantage as the boarder, who wins against individual crew members one-on-on (though not in swordplay, as it does not benefit either side), would cause much of the crew to have to abandon their duties to fight the boarder off.

    Basically, as a controller player, stick to your ship and you'll win against M&K players, provided the other crew isn't good enough and well-prepared enough (in resource count and tactics) to defeat you anyways, which would happen regardless of their input devices in that situation. There is no 'uneven playing field', the game was built around evening it out and you still have the audacity to claim Rare did nothing to prevent unfair advantages.

  • NeedSmokes
    Commander

    10 million sounds very reasonable to me, just look how great gamepass is becoming, it's amazing value for money. I'm sure many subscribers have tried sea of thieves, I'm sure many left soon afterwards too, for various reasons. But it still counts that the game was downloaded and installed.

  • JollyOlsteamed
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    @jjblackhat this sounds like a bad console players only excuse to keep a crossplay game non crossplay learn to use your console and learn to do pvp don't just main pve the kb&m will even itself out i've meet xbox players with better skill than me just because we have keyboard and a mouse doesn't mean we can take down everything in our path and seeing that pc is a small community i doubt you've come across many i've only met 27 so far whom i befriended over a year of sailing i'd really just say practice pvp or try it out atleast

  • D3ADST1CK
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    The 10 Million player count is not a lie. 10 million unique accounts have probably logged into the game in some fashion.

    How many of those are active, family shared alts, that one time the game was available through friend invite codes, gamepass users, people who logged in once and never again, on PC or XBox or Both, etc... are only known by Rare and Microsoft. Unfortunately they don't tend to share these numbers, nor do they have any kind of API that would allow a third party to "guesstimate" the number of active players (like steamcharts.com) so we can't really know for sure.

    You could use specific achievements, particularly ones that are automatically gained by playing the game (the tall tale ones are not good indicators because they are ignored completely by some players), to get a close approximation of active players.

  • BurnBacon
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    Why are we complaining about what Rare said, we are getting Free stuff because of it.

    So you dont want free sails or emote?

  • JJblackhat
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    So many pc players trying to bait me. Not taken the bait or responding directly to them. So excited for the future of console play w/o pc players. Thanks again Rare

  • Galactic Geek
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    This thread was created solely to stir up trouble and cause unrest and a negative reaction - and that's against forum rules.

  • WeakDexx
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    @xziraider

    To continue your math.
    Basicly out of 10m players there be 800k somewhat active players.
    PC is about 30% is your best guess.
    This is about 240k of PC players.

    A lobby consist of MAX 24 players. Lets say they all get filled (talkin about adventure here) This would mean 10k lobbies and u really thing u get it hard to find matches?

    Adventure servers and lobbies are always full (or fuller) compaired.

    If this math is correct (continued on your numbers) I really dont think with 10k adventure lobbies u will get the "shaft" like u get in arena.

    My 2 doubloons on the matter.

  • LucianSanchez82
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    Love these posts.

    A bunch of mathmatical nonsense to prove some kind of conspiracy against us.

    10 million is the number of accounts that have logged in to the game since launch. Rare aren't trying to prove anything beyond that.

  • UltmateRagnarok
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    @weakdexx

    It's notable that those players are split among regions and not all active at the same times, but it's still enough to fill servers.

  • Pellahh
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    @xziraider They said that 10m players joined the game, not that the active player base is about 10m players.

    It's not a lie, it's just a true fact putted in a sentence that people can easely misunderstand, that's the PR job right there, making it seems that is going all good by saying the least amount of lies.

  • ClosingHare208
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    @xziraider said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    Here what Rare is saying 10 million probably with game pass, how many came with a console and etc. Looking into official discord for SoT they have normally max of 20 parties of 4, let sake for the sake of easy math 20/2= 10 so you have maybe at any giving time 10 ships on pc doing arena. If you count private discords which many discords that are private have no more then 5 parties. Rare wants us to turn a blind eye to cross play make it feel like we shouldn't worry about player base as many pc players do. So AGAIN rare calming cross play wont affect pc players is lie, and again killing this game for the pc player base.

    Look at the achievements on Xbox if you take Rares claim of 10m. We already know that the Xbox community is way higher then pc.

    The achievement "Now bring me that horizon" set sail for the first time 66% has completed this 6.5m players

    "Full Billow" sailed with full wind 42% 4.2m players

    "Self Entitled" own 10 titles 8% 800k players

    "The Shroudbreaker" 8% 800k players

    So if you say 800k player base how many of these players are pc 30%? So we get the shaft on finding adventure mode games that have players now. We already have to wait sometimes 40mins for arena matches

    why would they lie though?

  • D3ADST1CK
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    @weakdexx said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    To continue your math.
    Basicly out of 10m players there be 800k somewhat active players.
    PC is about 30% is your best guess.
    This is about 240k of PC players.

    This math is a bit off in terms of active at any one time. This game doesn't have 800k people playing at the same time - that number would be number of unique accounts logging in over a period of time, most likely a month.

    The number of people online and playing the game is probably anywhere between 5k to 50k maximum depending on the time of day. This will also be split up by however many regions the servers are grouped into (UK, Europe, NA, AUS, Asia, West, East, etc...). It's easy to see that there could be some concern for inability to find matches depending on the region you are in if these populations are further segmented.

    The 30% number was in reference to a small time slice (I think it was a over a weekend?) which may not be representative of the entire install base. It may not be entirely accurate to assume that the 30% number still works for currently active players as it may be higher or lower now.

    It would be nice if Microsoft had a publicly accessible API that we could pull some kind of stats from to get an idea of how many users are actually playing.

  • AmishhMann
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    I understand what Rare is trying to do, yet I am up in the air on how this will pan out if a majority of xbox players stick with no cross-play. I plan on PC and mostly play every day and most of the players I run into are xbox. I would say half of the xbox players I encounter put up great fights while the other half are new or just don't put forth the effort to get better. I constantly see xbox players make excuses about situations that are easily avoidable. Tired of people tucking on your boat? I always check tuck spots every time I leave an island or at any point I constantly leaving my ship. Also constantly keeping a close eye on anyone approaching. So many tips are out there to help most of the situations people complain about. I feel like I am a great pvp player and I have ran into xbox crews that can take me out. People just need to make an effort to learn and adjust to get better.

    The biggest thing I think that will make or break the PC side of this cross-play would be the xbox players that are competitive that get bored of playing against the easier competition and dabble with cross-play. You also have to realize not every PC player is a god, I have ran into terrible PC players as well. There is too much complaining in everything nowadays where people want everything handed to them or the easy road to victory.

  • GUNNER646
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    If you take some more recent achievements and calculate their averages. Only roughly 140000 are active players baced on a few easily compleatable achievments.

  • dlCHIEF58
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    @xziraider You cannot yield any useful data from those early game achievement percentages as they were skewed lower from the beginning due to achievements not tracking during the launch week. Your whole presumption thus is invalid due to flawed data.

    Rare is not lying, you are using flawed data and your own presumptions to come to an incorrect conclusion. The 10 million is total unique users who have even fired up the game (whether they actually played or not), not active players

  • dlCHIEF58
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    @jjblackhat said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    @blazedrake100 said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    @JJblackhat
    The advantages are actually really small. Just look in the other threads for why

    Yea no thanks. The advantages are huge as I have seen them first hand. Enjoy equal playing grounds I know I will

    LOL, no the advantages are minor at best and are almost all related to gun play. With the hitboxes being as huge as they are and the hit registration being somewhat spotty there is not that big of an advantage for PC players - this isn't like some twitch shooter where accuracy is important. Any perceived advantage that PC players can be overcome with strategy and skill most of the time.

    I think you and others will be in for a rude awakening when the opt-out goes live, finding that you will still be on the losing end to more skilled Xbox players and no longer have the PC boogeyman to blame for your own lack of skill (though I am sure you will try). I myself will be transforming my playing style on those to a much more aggressive PVP approach just to prove this point - no quarter will be given.

  • ClosingHare208
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    @dlchief58 said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    @jjblackhat said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    @blazedrake100 said in Rare is lying about the 10 million player base hoping we all turn a blind eye to op-out.:

    @JJblackhat
    The advantages are actually really small. Just look in the other threads for why

    Yea no thanks. The advantages are huge as I have seen them first hand. Enjoy equal playing grounds I know I will

    LOL, no the advantages are minor at best and are almost all related to gun play. With the hitboxes being as huge as they are and the hit registration being somewhat spotty there is not that big of an advantage for PC players - this isn't like some twitch shooter where accuracy is important. Any perceived advantage that PC players can be overcome with strategy and skill most of the time.

    I think you and others will be in for a rude awakening when the opt-out goes live, finding that you will still be on the losing end to more skilled Xbox players and no longer have the PC boogeyman to blame for your own lack of skill (though I am sure you will try). I myself will be transforming my playing style on those to a much more aggressive PVP approach just to prove this point - no quarter will be given.

    or until ye get sunk.

  • xZiRaider
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    @d3adst1ck Right I know these numbers can't be exact, the community is so small. There no way 800k players at all times these achievements just show whos put in time in the game. They say 10 million players yet 66% have only set sail for the first time. I constantly run into the same people and people I know. As an example I ran into two crews that I know in arena today, we ended up just tdming on an island for fun. I just said 30% guessing it would be a high avg of players for the pc community.

  • WeakDexx
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    @d3adst1ck

    Yes i went on the math provided by the OP.
    Than i said active meaning people who play.
    So the 800k is not all at once at the same time.

    So yes it be further segmented. My math was just an example based on the provided stats given by OP.

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