Is trolling joining alliance to then spawn killing when your not fighting back ? Classed as trolling can someone clear it up
Whats trolling
Edited- Sorry, I have been using the word "Troll" where I should have been using the word "Grief". thnx to @Sweltering-Nick for pointing that out.
@chris-houlden Trolling is gameplay (or in-game comments) with the express purpose of making another players experience unpleasant or unplayable.
Many times it comes down to the "why". So in the case of spawn-killing it really depends on the motive.
Trolling - you are spawn-killing another crew with the goal of stopping them from enjoying the game.
Not Trolling - you are spawn-killing another crew with the goal of sinking their ship so you can collect their treasure.
As you can see, it all comes down to the "why" (motive). Which is not always apparent to the victim. This is one of the reasons you hear people complaining about "being trolled" as often as you do. I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of Trolls out there. Just pointing out that it's not always possible to know another players motives. So sometimes it may feel like "Trolling" to the victim when it's just smart game play.
@viperishemu2992 what about if im a solo sloop doing animals an 2 person sloop rolls up joins alliance kills my animals spawn kills me n when i asked why it was cos they was bored ? (They Never sank me n i never fought back ) only asking because i told them it was trolling they said it wasnt so i was confused
@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
@viperishemu2992 what about if im a solo sloop doing animals an 2 person sloop rolls up joins alliance kills my animals spawn kills me n when i asked why it was cos they was bored ? (They Never sank me n i never fought back ) only asking because i told them it was trolling they said it wasnt so i was confused
Nope.
They are just playing mean pirates.
@dislex-fx sagte in Whats trolling:
@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
@viperishemu2992 what about if im a solo sloop doing animals an 2 person sloop rolls up joins alliance kills my animals spawn kills me n when i asked why it was cos they was bored ? (They Never sank me n i never fought back ) only asking because i told them it was trolling they said it wasnt so i was confused
Nope.
They are just playing mean pirates.
But yes, they were only bored and wanted to just ruin his game. This is pure trolling in my eyes.
@goedecke-michel said in Whats trolling:
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@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
@viperishemu2992 what about if im a solo sloop doing animals an 2 person sloop rolls up joins alliance kills my animals spawn kills me n when i asked why it was cos they was bored ? (They Never sank me n i never fought back ) only asking because i told them it was trolling they said it wasnt so i was confused
Nope.
They are just playing mean pirates.
But yes, they were only borded and wanted to just ruin his game. This is pure trolling in my eyes.
Well, I should have worded it different. That's those player's trolling tactic/s, but I still feel like that's okay.
@dislex-fx It seems to me, like cruelty to animals out of boredom, ethically not justifiable.
@chris-houlden please don't :D@goedecke-michel The issue is tho while definitely being a jerk move. There are ways out, scuttle and to a certain extent switching server.
I am in no way saying what they did was right, but we need to be careful about labeling it "Trolling"
To be fair it is a word with no meaning - in the sense that it means so many different things to different people.
They were being jerks, that we can all agree on. Why does that also need to be called "Trolling"?
@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
Cheers for clearing it up guys i must have been playing the alliance n the game wrong for months if its ok to join alliances to spawn kill people n mess with their game play n its not trolling always thought it was time i changed the way i play from now on
Through your sarcasm, I can see you didn't really want an answer from anyone, as you had already made your mind up.
I do want to point out that Rare have always wanted alliances to be a bit nerve wrecking (my words, not theirs). You should always worry about every white-name, even if y'all communicate in game and come to some type of agreement/s. Some players like to form an alliance to make more gold. Some like to form alliances to have the other crew/s to do some work and then the green-names swoop in and take it all. Some don't know what they are going to do and just decide on the fly. Some want to have things friendly and share, but a single person on any team/s could do something to ruin it all. That's how it's supposed to be.
It's a risk.
@chris-houlden I don't think there is a definitive list of things that is "trolling" but I would definitely thing the following:
Duo slopping and your partner starts throwing loot overboard, not getting off of things when needed, blowing up your own ship (on purpose)
Or another one I have seen, is a sneaky someone putting up your reapers flag without you knowing@chris-houlden Not at all matey, the beauty of the game is that you choose what kind of pirate you want to be. As long as you're not intentionally trying to ruin another players experience. I would say that spawn killing, beyond a reasonable point, could be toxic. For instance there is the argument that spawn killing a player whilst you try to take their supplies, or simply wait for their ship to sink is within reason. But continually killing them just to keep them from coninuing their session goes beyond that (of course, this shouldn't really be possible as the losing player can always just scuttle and move on).
Whether it's in an alliance or not is kind of beside the point. There's a reason why we're still able to damage each other whilst we're in an alliance - to make them fragile and unpredictable, to make sure we maintain awareness just in case, or to allow us to be that mutinous sea dog... that choice is down to you, and your moral compass.
@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
All i wanted to know is what people think of what is n what isnt this is why it was titled WHATS TROLLING its not to report anyone or get people banned or even me being salty it was also for my own sanity because clearly iv been playin the alliance n game wrong for months
Maybe im a nice pirate 🤔There is nothing wrong with being a nice pirate. There is nothing wrong with being a mean pirate. Play how you want to play. That's what is great about games like this. My pirate likes to steal everything he can. He likes to sink every ship he sees. In real life, I am nice guy. In SoT, I want gold. I want to be feared. I want to own the seas. (Though, if white-name players are fun and nice, I usually end up being nice back. I've even repaired other's ships and apologized.)
Play your character as nice or as mean as you want.
Also, don't forget to report players, as needed. Somewhere Microsoft/XBox Live will have information on what's against the rules.
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@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
@viperishemu2992 what about if im a solo sloop doing animals an 2 person sloop rolls up joins alliance kills my animals spawn kills me n when i asked why it was cos they was bored ? (They Never sank me n i never fought back ) only asking because i told them it was trolling they said it wasnt so i was confused
Nope.
They are just playing mean pirates.
But yes, they were only bored and wanted to just ruin his game. This is pure trolling in my eyes.
Agree!
If i/we cannot counter boarders we scuttle immediatley to not grant them success for whatever reason they spawnkill.- Trolling
- Getting supplies and sink ship.
Happened only 2 times to me since start.
Both times i was solo and the other was just better, but also using the double gun exploit.@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
I always thought joinng alliance to just spawn kill because people are bored was trolling n goes against everything the pirate code rare are so strict on
that was my honest thought like i say now i know it isnt trolling i can do it my self when im next bored happy days
Ya you are too nice mate. There is no honor among thieves.
Best to never let an alliance member near you for ANY reason. I wouldnt call this trolling.
Trolling can only be done by your own crew. You have a way out of the other situations by scuttling.
Trolling can also be done by forum members asking for a pve server.
@nwo-azcrack sagte in Whats trolling:
Trolling can also be done by forum members asking for a pve server.
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@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
@viperishemu2992 what about if im a solo sloop doing animals an 2 person sloop rolls up joins alliance kills my animals spawn kills me n when i asked why it was cos they was bored ? (They Never sank me n i never fought back ) only asking because i told them it was trolling they said it wasnt so i was confused
This is trolling. They were bored and either wanted to gain fun ruining another player’s fun or just ruining another player’s fun out of being bored. These players were being bullies.
As you will see Rare’s super cheerleaders will tell you no. They hid behind they are only being pirates. They are mean pirates not Care Bears. This is the Sea of Thieves and not the Sea of Friends. You can also be trolled here.
The statements above has allowed the Sea of Thieves to become one of the most, if not most, games filled with bullying, toxicity, and trolling. It is why Rare had to recently release a Code of Conduct. Released it a year and a half late after so much damage has been done. There was a Pirate Code but it was too vague and was constantly ignored.
Not sure the Code of Conduct will help if things go unreported and not appropriately enforced. If the feel you are a victim of bullying, toxicity, and trolling, get there names. Document the incident as detailed as you can and report it to Rare. Way too much goes unreported. Even way more is not addressed appropriately.
Hopefully the more players take action, the more the Sea of Thieves can be cleaned up. The more it will become a safer and friendlier place to sail and be pirates without being bullies and trolls.
Edited- Sorry, I have been using the word "Troll" where I should have been using the word "Grief". thnx to @Sweltering-Nick for pointing that out.
@chris-houlden said in Whats trolling:
@viperishemu2992 what about if im a solo sloop doing animals an 2 person sloop rolls up joins alliance kills my animals spawn kills me n when i asked why it was cos they was bored ? (They Never sank me n i never fought back ) only asking because i told them it was trolling they said it wasnt so i was confused
That would be "Trolling". Do you have the ability to record video in game? Next time turn it on and record the events. Make sure to get a shot of their gamertag as well. Then send it to Rare (with the time that you were playing) and Rare will most likely delete their SoT accounts. If you are lucky they were also running cheats and bye-bye Microsoft Account too!
But you need proof that establishes "motive" or at least has enough circumstantial evidence for Rare to decide to take action. So I suggest looking into how you can quickly record video/audio in the future. That's what I do.
@x-crowheart-x And who's to say they weren't lieing when they said that to "tilt" the player, as they ransacked the supplies.
You are assuming a lot and there is no way to "prove" intent, just move on trying to work out whether or not they were "Trolling" doesn't matter.
How does it affect you if we all agreed it was "Trolling"? What would that accomplish?
@x-crowheart-x said in Whats trolling:
No it was not strategic. OP said they told him because they were bored. They were bullying OP because they were bored. It was bullying. This behavior ruins Sea of Thieves. It has nothing to do with playing a pirate in a pirate game.
Just about everything I do in the game is to entertain myself. I can betray my alliance for no apparent reason. I can also sink ships knowing I will let any loot sink without me picking it up. Are you honestly claiming that a player attacking another player for no apparent gain other than enjoyment is trolling? If you ever see my name in the game, just go ahead and report me. I am certain I will fail to follow your standards but I am certain I am not breaking Rare’s code.
@badassfro a dit dans Whats trolling :
How does it affect you if we all agreed it was "Trolling"? What would that accomplish?
For me, it's just calling a cat a cat and justice (kind of)! But I wouldn't report them, I don't have time to lose for this.
Virtually everything is fair game against other crews. You could probably argue that verbal harassing or repeated targeting (i.e. being hunted down by the same vessel more than several times for no reason other than keeping you from playing the game) could be "trolling," but that would come down to a moderator's interpretation.
However, if you have a crewmate(s) who is deliberately and without purpose sabotaging the operations or blowing up your ship? I think most would agree that fits the bill for trolling and should not be tolerated, especially if you're unable to lock them in the brig (several reasons it may not work).
@jetorchidee97 I see it more like calling a cat a lion, and what justice is there to be gotten by labeling their behavior "Trolling"
@chronodusk was in an alliance for 5 mins with nothing on each boat other than 2 golden snakes on mine
@badassfro a dit dans Whats trolling :
@jetorchidee97 I see it more like calling a cat a lion, and what justice is there to be gotten by labeling their behavior "Trolling"
That's just me, if someone is being nice, I like to say that he's nice, if someone is being mean, I like to say that he's mean based on my moral compass (which is not universal).
But I'm neither right nor wrong, I was just expressing my view on it.
@jetorchidee97 Completely agree, we can all agree they were mean, or jerks.
But I still fail to see the benefit or why it would even matter, if we all agreed what they did was "trolling".
I did not say attacking players in good form is not fun or appropriate. Based on the information presented by the OP they only attacked him, killed his live cargo, and kept spawn killing him because they were bored.
When doldrums set in on the sea many of us can see an opportunity to spark some fun when you catch a glimpse of another ship on the horizon. If you go in and play the pirate and follow the codes we have, then all should be good.
You could board and steal everything or just what you want, take supplies, and let them sail on after you leave. Could kill everyone, steal everything, and sink the ship. Could sink the ship and then haul it all up. That is all good.
If it is just to kill the player over and over, destroy all their fun just because you are bored and can it is totally different. Some play pirates. Some play hunters of pirates. Lots of possibilities. What OP presented tells of players being bored and just harassing a player because of it. As presented is why I gave my opinion. More facts could change that, however as presented I believe it to be a classic case of bullying.
Last night my crew and I sailed out of a storm to see a solo sloop player anchored and fishing. I turned our brig towards the sloop. Sea of Thieves being what it is, the crew got ready for a fight. There was a possibility that the pirate had fish in his barrels to fill our hungry pirate bellies and the Hunter’s Call.
We were bored because the ridiculous RNG on the Ritual Skulls had been laughing at us. Voyage after voyage from Duke and none of the skulls. The sea was very empty up to this point except for a storm that was always where we needed to go. No fun at all except for chilling in party chat with each other as we tried to do on the sea.
We found the pirate was a very new player to the game. Did not understand the basics yet. He was 12 years old and liked the game, but was very nervous because he was trying to stand on shaky sea legs. We decided to help him instead. We had to talk him through finding his flag box and formed an alliance.
We immediately had to fight off a kraken together as we set sail together. Then we divided up to do Dark Relic voyages we gave him. We had a friend join his crew. Together we took him through the lessons to be a pirate on the Sea of Thieves. We raced for reaper chests. We gave him tons of loot. The boredom turned to a very good little alliance with a lot of rewards and fun. One of the best highlights in a night that was very boring was helping another pirate find his sea legs and home on the sea.
After he left because his big brother wanted his turn on the XBOX we sailed on to more reaper chests. We finally found some more Ritual Skulls and managed to steal some from another crew on a brig that we beat to grab two reaper chests in a row. It was an epic chase with explosions and sword fights as they ended up being hugged by the kraken I sailed them into as they followed us in and I slipped our brig out.
Being bored and seeking fun is never a reason to find fun at some one else’s expense by being a bully. It is better to be a pirate, especially a better one.
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