Hunters Call Rep

@pandicalnism

You can work on the Hunter's Call literally anywhere and any time, with little to no risk. This is why the gold and rep gains are so low. Supplement a little additional rep by gathering mermaid gems as you go through the world and see them on islands.

@pandicalnism I’ve been all over this forum making the same points. Once you hit level 18/19 or so it’s like hitting a brick wall. The grind becomes absolutely ridiculous. The high teens low twenties feels like the low forties for GH or OOS. It’s the same issue the Merchant Alliance had when the game came out, and why they had to increase prices and add more to do because of how bad the grind was.

Don’t let people argue with you that the grind ok or there’s some supposed lack of risk. All the companies should feel balanced and equal. No matter what you’re doing, digging up chests, fishing, running cargo, etc.

@chronodusk said in Hunters Call Rep:

@pandicalnism

You can work on the Hunter's Call literally anywhere and any time, with little to no risk. This is why the gold and rep gains are so low. Supplement a little additional rep by gathering mermaid gems as you go through the world and see them on islands.

You do make a fair point that you can supplement the rep with mermaid statues same as any company.

However, this idea that their is some how less risk doesn’t make any since. First, you can still be attacked by other players same as doing any other task. Just being in the game standing there has that risk. There is still the risk of people steeling any fish you might have on your ship in the barrels. Something that regularly happens when players try to steel each other’s supplies even before fish were added. Yes you can keep up to five fish on your person and one on your fishing rod but I can’t imagine that anyone is just catching five then running to a Sea Post.

So if people can still attack you, and people can still steal your fish. Then the only possible lack of risk is that you don’t buy voyages. But realistically that’s at most a loss of a couple hundred gold.

The problem everyone is complaining about is the grind. There is nothing in place as it stands to help the grind. GH, OOS, Merchant, and even the Arena have things in place that help the grind. Like Skull forts, Skeleton Ships, even last place in the Arena gives rep. As well as, as you level up your rewards get better, as in if you’re level 40 in GH or OOS you’ll find a lot more Captains Chests or Villainous Skulls. Fishing doesn’t have anything like that built in to help.

Fishing is either catch THOUSANDS of fish, or never level up. Same as Merchant was when the game first came out. Catch Thousands of pigs or never level up or become PL.

They need to do all or a mix of, increase prices, increase rep but leave the prices, or give players more opportunity to level hunters Call, same as the other companies that have items in Skull Forts, Skelly Ships etc.

No ones complaining about any other aspect of fishing, other than the huge ridiculous grind, that Rare has already addressed and worked on for all the other companies.

What a lot of people are missing is that for Hunter’s Call there is literally 300+ commendations and each time you unlock one, you get a boost in XP.

The other trading companies have around 120 commendations total, so please keep that in mind. Yes, it may seem slow initially, but once you have got around 40 of each kind of fish, you aren’t too far from a bunch of grade 5 commendations that award a lot of XP.

I think it’s balanced fairly from what I’m seeing at the moment as a result.

First, to those that are getting up in the thirties levels. I commend that for sure. No joke.

And yes Hunters Call has a lot of commendations. But in my experience so far they are not helping that much. I have a good twenty or so fish in grades four and five and it hasn’t jumped me up that much.

What we are all arguing for and against in the grind right? That’s about 90% of what people are asking Rare to fix right?

First let’s try to math it out a little bit. To get grade five for all the fish types is like 2100 fish. If you were to catch all 2100 fish with no extra at let’s say a minute a fish not counting cooking. Just to get cast, wait, reel, catch. That would take 35 hours. 35 hours, to get grade five for all commendations with out catching a single extra fish.

But the huge multiply here is the rarity of some of the fish, or their circumstance. Such as a ship wreck or a storm or night time. If you add that time spent waiting to catch specific fish for grade five with all fifth. We’re talking hundreds and hundreds of hours are we not? Time spent waiting for night, or chasing a storm or casting and re casting just for rare fish. I can’t be the only person that thinks that’s unacceptable, and I know that I’m not.

Rare themselves have realized that grind like that isn’t acceptable. Or else they wouldn’t have made so many changes to the Merchant alliance or Skull forts or allow people to give mermaid gems to any faction. They then selves have changed their game to help fix the problem with grind.

Also, we need to ask our selves why are we even arguing about grind in the first place? We shouldn’t have to grind, that’s not what any good game should be about. Grind is fluff added to make empty games feel like they’re not. Challenges sure, games should have challenges, but a good challenge is different from just plain grind. Look at Mortal Kombat 11, if anyone here has played it. The grind was so bad they had to make serious changes to the game and give out in game currency like barley a week after release.

We as gamers shouldn’t have to accept overly repetitive grinds. And more importantly we shouldn’t argue with each other or try to justify it when we all know grind is a BAD thing.

Grind is the same reason people would cheese golden chickens when the game came out, or server hope for Skull forts. It’s the same reason people close out servers and make huge alliances all running Athena missions to this very day, a year after release. All just to beat the grind.

Sea of Thieves is, in my opinion, an amazing game that I keep coming back to over and over again. But it was built on a foundation of grind, and we as the players shouldn’t accept it. We didn’t accept it when we had to catch a couple thousand pigs, so we shouldn’t accept it when we have to catch a couple thousand fish either.

I’m confident that Rare will address the problems with Hunters Call. They’ve done it time and time again. I just wish people, players, would stop trying to justify the grind. As some one that’s been gaming for nearly three decades I can tell you, that’s not what video games are suppose to be about.

@oroku said in Hunters Call Rep:

First, to those that are getting up in the thirties levels. I commend that for sure. No joke.

And yes Hunters Call has a lot of commendations. But in my experience so far they are not helping that much. I have a good twenty or so fish in grades four and five and it hasn’t jumped me up that much.

What we are all arguing for and against in the grind right? That’s about 90% of what people are asking Rare to fix right?

First let’s try to math it out a little bit. To get grade five for all the fish types is like 2100 fish. If you were to catch all 2100 fish with no extra at let’s say a minute a fish not counting cooking. Just to get cast, wait, reel, catch. That would take 35 hours. 35 hours, to get grade five for all commendations with out catching a single extra fish.

But the huge multiply here is the rarity of some of the fish, or their circumstance. Such as a ship wreck or a storm or night time. If you add that time spent waiting to catch specific fish for grade five with all fifth. We’re talking hundreds and hundreds of hours are we not? Time spent waiting for night, or chasing a storm or casting and re casting just for rare fish. I can’t be the only person that thinks that’s unacceptable, and I know that I’m not.

Rare themselves have realized that grind like that isn’t acceptable. Or else they wouldn’t have made so many changes to the Merchant alliance or Skull forts or allow people to give mermaid gems to any faction. They then selves have changed their game to help fix the problem with grind.

Also, we need to ask our selves why are we even arguing about grind in the first place? We shouldn’t have to grind, that’s not what any good game should be about. Grind is fluff added to make empty games feel like they’re not. Challenges sure, games should have challenges, but a good challenge is different from just plain grind. Look at Mortal Kombat 11, if anyone here has played it. The grind was so bad they had to make serious changes to the game and give out in game currency like barley a week after release.

We as gamers shouldn’t have to accept overly repetitive grinds. And more importantly we shouldn’t argue with each other or try to justify it when we all know grind is a BAD thing.

Grind is the same reason people would cheese golden chickens when the game came out, or server hope for Skull forts. It’s the same reason people close out servers and make huge alliances all running Athena missions to this very day, a year after release. All just to beat the grind.

Sea of Thieves is, in my opinion, an amazing game that I keep coming back to over and over again. But it was built on a foundation of grind, and we as the players shouldn’t accept it. We didn’t accept it when we had to catch a couple thousand pigs, so we shouldn’t accept it when we have to catch a couple thousand fish either.

I’m confident that Rare will address the problems with Hunters Call. They’ve done it time and time again. I just wish people, players, would stop trying to justify the grind. As some one that’s been gaming for nearly three decades I can tell you, that’s not what video games are suppose to be about.

First, I think you forgot to consider something. You wouldn’t be spending any more time on the rare variants (or not much more anyway) because you only have to turn in 10 of them for Grade V, not 50. The only exception I can see is the black cloud wrecker for the unique circumstances to find it.

Second, it’s only a grind if you make it one. I think Rare intended it to be something you can work on when it suits you while you do other things, not spending hours doing that exclusively (unless you truly enjoy it that much)...

I myself am level 26 in HC and have caught 2 trophy shadow stormfish, but that’s because I really like fishing, but I’ll take a break from it at times.

@cyberguardian77 I did take into consideration that the rare fish are only 10 not 50. If it was 50 of each fish it would be 2500 fish.

And I totally get what people are saying about fishing being easy and being something you kinda do on the side. My point while I’ve been talking about this on a few threads is that Hunters Call as a company has a much worse grind compared to the others.

If it’s suppose to be a new way to get PL it should feel a little more in balance with the other companies.

Also, for me at least, not saying this is the same for everyone. I’ve pretty much see and done everything else so fishing isn’t something I do on the side, it’s more my main goal. Yes that in it’s self has it’s own augments for and against.

Again, fishing as it is is fine, the grind for the Hunters Call, in my opinion, is just way to high. And I hope they can dial it back a little bit or just give us more options same as the other companies.