DOUBLE GUN IS BACK. "Sprint-resetting" method

@skyrush-bro

You do not know what you are talking about. Your assumptions are totally wrong. I do not hate guns if that even matters. I use them a lot if that matters. No need for anymore more discussion.

Your reply totally applies to what I said at the end of my post. Thank you for further illustrating this typical behavior from many here on the forums. Thanks again for making it so personal. Hope it makes you happy. At least you are not attacking something else.

@skyrush-bro If you're stuck close quarters the sword is superior, especially if you're fighting multiples. But in open area or on a galleon it's not (unless you get cornered).
Another example, fought another PL10 on an island Sat, he only used his sword I only used my pistol, I just kept running and jumping out of his way and fired at him, 2 shots, he was dead. The only time I got hurt was the first initial surprise attack he did from behind.

Not saying the sword fighting couldn't be fine tuned but in my experience it's not OP. It's something rather hard for me to test and judge as people skill levels varies.

The nice thing about this game is we are all on equal grounds in the meta, it's factors like skill, input device and latency that factors the winner in most 1 on 1, the skill factor being the greatest factor.

@skyrush-bro aye. Since it would be impolite for @x-Crowheart-x to brag, I'll do it for him - he is an excellent PvP-er with little experience losing. That gives him more credence, not less, in voicing an opinion that a particular meta is overpowered and inappropriate. Don't know why his skill and ability to overcome even the disadvantage of having enemies double-tap suddenly makes his opinion invalid. You're making a lot of assumptions here with no evidence.

This feels to me like another example of finding any excuse to dismiss someone's opinion, whether it's related to their opinion or not.

@skyrush-bro gotcha, makes a bit more sense. I got the wrong impression that you were trying to say he just needed to get better, then he would realize double-tapping is actually fine. My mistake for misunderstanding you, sorry!

As for my own opinion, I haven't seen too many people using it again, but a few. My disagreement with it is basically just that it's a de facto one-hit kill. Even the sword has the delay after 3 swipes, so that it's not quite game over when you get caught in close quarters by a sword -- though you have to be skilled to capitalize on the delay. Blunderbuss is irritatingly difficult and inconsistent to get a one-shot. But a double-tap, with the barest of delays for the sprint-switch, is essentially the only way to get a one-hit kill at long range or close-ish range. Which I think makes it an unfair combo. So that's my logic for why I disagree with it, all of which is in excess to the devs just flat-out stating that they consider it an "exploit."

So that's how I came to my anti-double-tapping opinion. Any of that make sense to you, or do you disagree (happy to hear if so)?

@skyrush-bro hm well I like the idea of making double-tapping require serious skill, such that it deserves to be rewarded with a kill. But the difficulty increase would have to apply only to the double-tap -- I don't want it to get harder to use my flintlock by itself as a side effect! But that's definitely on the right track!

@x-crowheart-x said in DOUBLE GUN IS BACK. "Sprint-resetting" method:

Yep starting to see guns everywhere again being used in similar manner as before. Probably will always be a problem as long as it is possible for two guns to be carried at the same time. Even encountering players again yelling to use guns and not swords. Rare needs to bite the bullet and just limit to one gun unless they want this to continue and go back to drawing more of the wrong element back on to the sea.

Agree with this 100%. Double Gunning should not be the meta. Cutlasses are a Pirate classic and I should not feel disadvantaged because I'm using one.

I had to double gun to compete with the double gun back when it was prevalent. Although I was successful, I hated it. I wanted to use my cutlass so badly, but I would be subject to dying at a distance.

Ranged combat might be cool for Call of Duty or something, but we're not playing a shooter here folks. We're playing a Pirate game, and pirates use cutlasses.

@skyrush-bro

Stop talking talking about me, making false assumptions about me, and saying things that I did not say and you do not know anything about. I am sure you understand English enough from your convertions here to Stop!

@vorondil1 said in DOUBLE GUN IS BACK. "Sprint-resetting" method:

@skyrush-bro gotcha, makes a bit more sense.

It does not make any sense as he was wrong.

I got tshe wrong impression that you were trying to say he just needed to get better

Exactly what he was doing.

@x-crowheart-x aye...I jumped on the opportunity for common ground...whatever he was saying earlier (which was certainly out of line), I was glad to exchange a few more civil words with him after, as an example of how conversations on the forums should actually go -- point and counterpoint, a compromise here and there, and whether or not they agree, both parties understanding the other's position. I do disagree with his position (I think double-tapping is OP and shouldn't be allowed in any form), but I was glad to hear his logic once he stopped the personal attacks.

@x-crowheart-x I never use two guns (except for fighting megs/kracken) and I personally don't believe that they should force people to use a sword.

Haven’t read the comments yet, but my suggestion is to force all players to use the sword, plus their choice of a gun. This would end the double shot.

@bullet-pr00f-xx the sword is more broken then double gun atm...

@skyrush-bro absolutely! I've actually never heard anyone give a reasonable argument in defense of double-tapping, so that was interesting to hear. I agree that skill (ie, good aim) should be rewarded, but I just don't like double-tapping. Would you feel a bit more satisfied if they added locational damage? Such that a very difficult head-shot got you an instant kill? That would be a way to reward real skill without nerfing weapons, and making the skill bar high enough that only really exceptional players would manage it consistently.

@bullet-pr00f-xx only because it's bugged atm.