The Arena and how I’m worried

  • Vaca Hombre
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    @arecbalrin said in The Arena and how I’m worried:

    PvEers understand nothing though; they'd behave as if they had loot even if they didn't, apparently not understanding the concept of the game and they've been continually trying to change it and are slowly succeeding.

    Hey, I'd let every approaching pirate search my ship without complaint if I was allowed to go on my way afterward. However, with murder being the rule rather than the exception, why wouldn't running be my go to?

    Losses for dying are small to insignificant, so I'm not overly bothered by it, but even if you lose no treasure, you DO lose your supplies. And a well supplied ship is even more crucial now with the increase in random enemy encounters, so trying to preserve your investment in your ship doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

    The narrative that one side is all altruistic gentlemen/women who are only looking for good, clean fun while the other are delusional whiners who don't "get" the game; and if only Rare would listen to YOUR side and ignore the other then all would be sunshine and rainbows; is, frankly, a bit childish.

    If Rare hopes to maintain the PvP/PvE balance that SoT is based on, I think the better idea is listening to both sides and filtering that feedback through their own experience and game data.

    I'm not sure simply pasting in systems that worked in other PvP games is the answer. Just as PvE aspects don't always fit with SoT's hybrid nature, so certain PvP aspects would have the same problem.

    Is the Arena the right direction?

    Beats me. I know I'M not interested in it, but I'm also not conceited enough to think that my position is the majority and should be considered over others.

    Having read a lot of the arguments surrounding the Arena, I think both sides have some valid points. The outcome, in my opinion, could really go either way. So much depends on final execution, community climate, marketing, and good old fashioned luck that we kinda have to just wait and see.

    What I DO feel I can count on is for Rare to keep grinding away at it. They've always said that they're committed to SoT, and so far I think they've backed up that claim.

  • ArecBalrin
    Ship Mate

    I'm at a loss as to what part of my post you are responding to.

    Also, your name appears to be a banned word and the forum wouldn't allow me to include it in this post.

  • Droper666
    Master
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    You can do those social things any time, I have been sailing around last few days, no one attacked me or did so rarely. You can interact to your hearts content. Those types of players are not going to be in the arenas and there is still going to be incentive for most players to do easy loot mode adventure mode.

  • Vaca Hombre
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    @arecbalrin

    Initially?

    Probably to the spot I quoted, as well as the comment that Rare should have listened to the PvPers and ignored the PvEers. Just seemed to be generalizing a touch and I felt the need offer a counterpoint.

    After that I kinda meandered to different and broader subjects, as is my want to do. =P

  • KattTruewalker
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    @corrupt-fellow

    Just a reminder but we do have an Arena Mega thread which is still open for discussion and comments -

    https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/75705/mega-thread-the-arena-part-2?page=1

    The reason we use Mega threads is that it's a great place to collect the Community's thoughts and concerns in one easy to find location.

  • Minhoca SoT
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    With or without Arena Mode, I'll continue hunting players in Adventure Mode. It is more fun to catch unprepared players, who rely too much on the belief that they will never be attacked.

  • MacDoland
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    @katttruewalker said in The Arena and how I’m worried:

    I think we need to look on Arena as added content, another way to experience the seas, another option, rather than talking about splitting/dividing/reducing.

    I think you hit the nail on the head there. Although given the choice I would have voted for alternatives that enriched the Adventure mode over Arena, I'm still thankful for an alternative option. This caters well towards both the nights I only have an hour or so to play and also with my friends that are only interested in competition and tire easily on PVE activities.

    So kind of win-win, I can see my crew jumping between each mode often, and by no means will our thievery be limited to either :).

  • Brahina
    Rogue

    Yes i have the same worries, Sea Of Thieves is far from complete and they're creating an Battle royale like mode while there is no content on the main game. I think its just for selling the game to more people for money. The thing that they don't understand is you cant race with fortnite and pubg so please just focus on your main game.You should observe the creators of rust and how much content theyve added to their game.Theyre taking care of rust just like taking care of their baby. My opinion is another false strategy made by Rare only to get more money which is killing the game.

  • KattTruewalker
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    @brahina

    Alongside Arena, Rare are also working on a much more detailed questing system for Adventure mode, in addition we'll likely still be seeing Bilge Rat adventures.

    Given the content we've seen added last year, I'm not sure it's fair to say the game has 'no content'. Sea of Thieves is also a Game as Service, which means continual development throughout it's lifecycle.

    You're also able to try out Sea of Thieves on gamepass for a very minimal investment, whether you're a PC player or Xbox.

    Pramath

    Sea of Thieves Will Get Enhanced Quest System for PvE

    Sea of Thieves Will Get Enhanced Quest System for PvE

    Plus, the developers also discuss the unique perspective that the upcoming PvP mode adds to the game.

  • BoomTownBoss
    Rogue
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    Everyone realizes that you can't cap your 3 main faction rep in arena right?(Well, AFAIK that is). People will need to play adventure mode if they want Legend status.

  • KING DEKA
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    @boomtownboss sagte in The Arena and how I’m worried:

    Everyone realizes that you can't cap your 3 main faction rep in arena right?(Well, AFAIK that is). People will need to play adventure mode if they want Legend status.

    Yes that’s one of the Solutions to play both modes! An other is, implement amazing Cosmetics for Arena only and for Adventure only so people have an reason to play both to earn that stuff and implement a new PL Trading Company with cool things to do and to earn!

  • ArecBalrin
    Ship Mate

    @katttruewalker said in The Arena and how I’m worried:

    @corrupt-fellow

    Just a reminder but we do have an Arena Mega thread which is still open for discussion and comments -

    https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/75705/mega-thread-the-arena-part-2?page=1

    The reason we use Mega threads is that it's a great place to collect the Community's thoughts and concerns in one easy to find location.

    No, you use mega-threads because every forum where they are used virtually kills discussion on whatever topic. Very few people carry on contributing to a thread once it has been eaten by the mega-thread. New threads being generated or old threads being necro-ed tell everyone clearly that something is still an issue. Previously, companies would discourage these by disaproving of both necro-ing and new threads on well-trodden topics, never making it clear what avenue was actually an acceptable way for a new poster to talk about it.

    Mega-threads might be presented as a solution to that; but they are a mess that discourage partipation.

  • Ad Swager107
    Marauder
    Insider

    First to set a few misconceptions right:

    • Arena is not BR.

    • Rare is not forgetting adventure mode.

    • Arena mode will not make the regular servers a safe space.

    I've spoken to people who have played test builds for Arena and they have confirmed that it isn't a BR game "this is Rare they are going to do things their own way not follow a trend".
    Also, while the Arena may be used to initially test and balance PvP centric content that does not mean they will be ignoring Adventure mode. We already have other Expansions announced for adventure.
    Lastly, with all of the new AI threats and the bloodthirsty crews out for easy loot, the Seas of adventure mode will always be dangerous for those with a haul under their hull.

  • KattTruewalker
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    @arecbalrin

    I feel I must disagree with you, having been a community member for a long, long time and watched some very useful and informative discussions move down and become buried and lost as new issues and topics arise and overtake them. The mega threads are pinned and available to read in their own dedicated category specifically to keep these topics current for new pirates to add their thoughts.

    Looking back I can recall the Mega threads around the Barrel UI and Death Tax in particular, being very powerful vehicles in communicating Community opinion, so much so that they resulted in changes in plans for content in game and direct responses from the development team.

  • FlowerOfCarnage

    @dotcomrobots said in The Arena and how I’m worried:

    @flowerofcarnage I sink every ship I see.

    Is this griefing?

    Rare can add as much content as they want in the game, it won't stop players from constantly getting into PvP. It's way too fun.

    Not sure if the word "grief" is properly used in this community.

    Yes. Griefing is any unwanted PvP. The purpose of gaming is to have fun and you are ruining the game for other people. If you don't care, that's your prerogative, but don't lie to yourself and believe that what you are doing isn't ruining the game for others.

  • dotcomrobots
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    @FlowerOfCarnage Nonesense.

    • So basically a ship that does not want to fight is a ship that I should leave alone? Why would I? No reward would satisfy me more than sinking a ship. Especially if they fight back and if they don't .. well too bad. Thanks for that Rare, it's an incredible feeling that no other game offers. Keep it going.
    • If I want to rob their loot or ressources and they don't want to fight back then I am the one to be blamed? I don't think so.
    • So anyone can hide behind this "I don't want PvP" excuse and call anyone a griefer because they refuse to get into the PvP machanics while other PvP players just percieve a golden opportunity to get into a challenging fun fight? That's just stupid and thank god not much people are interested in getting "forced" to play the game in a specific way or get "punished" because they like sinking ships for no reason.

    You just have a very very different opinion about how the game SHOULD be played and how it is fun for YOU.

    Let PvP players out of this.... and just git gud ^^

    @flowerofcarnage
    The purpose of gaming is to have fun and you are ruining the game for other people. If you don't care, that's your prerogative, but don't lie to yourself and believe that what you are doing isn't ruining the game for others.

    PvE players that exploit scuttle to give up a fight early or simply stay idle or emote dancing just to make sure that PvP players like me don't get what they want is actually ruinning my game experience too. Have you ever thought about that ?

  • ArecBalrin
    Ship Mate

    @KattTruewalker You can cherry-pick topics that you feel benefitted from being condensed into mega-threads. I have not only the experience of mega-threads on forums for multiple games going back years informing my view on what their purpose is and the effect they have on discussion; I can empirically test them as a whole for this one thanks to the categories button.

    One glance at 'feedback mega-threads' reveals not just all of them but solid figures; the amount, the engagement, when they started, the last time anyone posted(3 whole days ago for the arena, something that is a very hot topic, but 3 days since the last post) and so on. I would go as far as guessing based on this that despite SoT having an increase in interest itself recently, mainly due to a very popular Twitch streamer, discussion on these forums is so slow and far between because everything interesting has been mega-threaded to death.

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